Blackwater

[Guest mz.]

Nothing more than pseudo-legitimized hired thugs.

 

From their website; what a xxxxing joke. Who do these criminals think they're kidding?

Blackwater Worldwide efficiently and effectively integrates a wide range of resources and core competencies to provide unique and timely solutions that exceed our customers’ stated needs and expectations.

 

We are guided by integrity, innovation, and a desire for a safer world. Blackwater Worldwide professionals leverage state-of-the-art training facilities, professional program management teams, and innovative manufacturing and production capabilities to deliver world-class, customer-driven solutions.

 

Our corporate leadership and dedicated family of exceptional employees adhere to essential core values- chief among these are integrity, innovation,excellence, respect, accountability, and teamwork.

 

And the tagline to beat all taglines:

America's Veterans Serving America...Again!

 

What an embarrassment.

[Chicopee John]

Nothing more than pseudo-legitimized hired thugs.

 

From their website; what a xxxxing joke. Who do these criminals think they're kidding?

 

 

And the tagline to beat all taglines:

 

 

What an embarrassment.

 

 

Nice to see you posting here, mz the pussy, but I have one suggestion:

 

 

Take a look at your company's website, annual statement, etc. and read Vision and Mission statements. Lots of fluff, etc. Maybe even from PR or Advertising consultants <G>.

[Guest mz.]

Yes, but my company doesn't murder innocent people under the guise of "protection."

 

Mission statements are stupid. And my company doesn't put our stupid mission statement on our front page. We're too intelligent for that. We let our work speak for itself; something Blackwater is clearly looking to conceal with a stupid mission statement.

[Chicopee John]

Yes, but my company doesn't murder innocent people under the guise of "protection."

 

Mission statements are stupid. And my company doesn't put our stupid mission statement on our front page. We're too intelligent for that. We let our work speak for itself; something Blackwater is clearly looking to conceal with a stupid mission statement.

 

 

 

Moral dilemma for you, mz the pussy. What do you do?

 

 

Your Sr. VP (or comparable person in your organization) walks up to you and says, "Hey Mike, we just landed a huge account!!! I noticed on your resume you graduated from Syracuse University so you should know a lot about this company. It is Backwater............I mean, Blackwater".

 

We really need this account and it may very well use this to open doors to other government-type business.

 

I'd like you to take the lead on developing a program for them. Use all media tools. I have a lot of confidence in your ability to make this a winner for us".

 

[Guest mz.]

No moral dilemma for me at all, John. If I was assigned to the Blackwater client, or Philip Morris or any other assignment I object to morally, I ask to be reassigned or quit if that reassignment was not granted. I'm confident enough in my abilities to find employment elsewhere, but luckily enough I work for an organization with morals as well, so as long as I'm employed here I won't have to worry about compromising my morals.

 

'Cuse 13/16 in the polls this week. You almost lost to Buffalo. I think you see me coming...

[Chicopee John]

No moral dilemma for me at all, John. If I was assigned to the Blackwater client, or Philip Morris or any other assignment I object to morally, I ask to be reassigned or quit if that reassignment was not granted. I'm confident enough in my abilities to find employment elsewhere, but luckily enough I work for an organization with morals as well, so as long as I'm employed here I won't have to worry about compromising my morals.

 

Wow, Mike. If true, I have a ton and a half of respect for you mz the pussy.

 

Truth be told, I wouldn't have the nerve to do that and would comply. I might - might - accept the challenge and start to look elsewhere but somebody in the 5th decade might be less confident - especially in this job market.

 

UCONN vs. Buffalo in the HUGE International Bowl. Maybe SU's next football coach will come from that game. BTW, Edsall isn't going anywhere. He has too much work building an offense here.

 

[Guest mz.]

Wow, Mike. If true, I have a ton and a half of respect for you mz the pussy.

 

It's 100% true and I do appreciate you saying that, John. But I do hope it doesn't come to that!!

 

UCONN vs. Buffalo in the HUGE International Bowl. Maybe SU's next football coach will come from that game. BTW, Edsall isn't going anywhere. He has too much work building an offense here.

 

I was actually trying to divert the convo towards basketball (), but what I am hearing is that Skip Holtz's hiring is imminent at SU...though I prefer Gill myself.

[Westside Steve]

I guess I have two thoughts on the matter.

First I don't necessarily trust the NYT to report imparially and second I'd assume that only the US prosecutes and punishes people in her service who step over the line.

 

WSS

[Guest mz.]

First I don't necessarily trust the NYT to report imparially

 

It was a news story, Steve, not an opinion piece or editorial. Did the NYT make up the fact that they were indicted or something?

 

second I'd assume that only the US prosecutes and punishes people in her service who step over the line.

 

First, these clowns aren't US soldiers, they are hired goons/mercenaries.

 

Second, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. Who cares what other countries do.

 

[Westside Steve]

It was a news story, Steve, not an opinion piece or editorial. Did the NYT make up the fact that they were indicted or something?

 

I never said that.

A story (as any ad man knows) can be told in various ways without ever abandoning all truth.

 

 

 

First, these clowns [] are hired goons/mercenaries.

 

Yes they are.

Nevertheless they are "in the service" of the United States.

I conside Irqanian "freedpm fighters" in Iraq to be in the service of the enemy.

 

Second, we hold ourselves to a higher standard.

 

We do indeed. Hence the prosecution.

Ya think we're applauded for that?

 

Who cares what other countries do.

 

I do. Why? Because the US is is pilloried on a regular basis for every slight real or imagined by thge real scumbags of the world and their propaganda network here and abroad.

 

There's no moral equivalent.

WSS

[Guest mz.]

As for the NYT, I understand you not liking their politics, etc., but this was just a reporting-the-facts type of thing. Nothing to really distort...

 

Why? Because the US is is pilloried on a regular basis for every slight real or imagined by thge real scumbags of the world and their propaganda network here and abroad.

 

I do hear what you're saying. Like it or not, we're the World's bellwether, so our role is to act as we would like the rest of the world to act. Whether or not they "comply" is up to them.

 

 

 

[SiperBowl]

Black Water is ran by a bunch of psycho killers!

 

Blackwater Killing for FUN!

[calfoxwc]

First of all, it is cherry picked bad news about what's happening over there.

 

It IS a disgrace, and they will pay the price.

 

But never posting the good that happens over there is partisan manipulation and purely negative sniping.

 

All of the employees of Blackwater didn't do it anyways.

 

it was some corrupt individuals committing serious crimes.

 

I thought this negative sensationalism is why you left...

 

We're trying to make it a different board now.

 

 

[Guest mz.]

First of all, it is cherry picked bad news about what's happening over there.

 

I'm sure an unchecked, private mercenary group is doing lots of good over there.

 

We're trying to make it a different board now.

 

...

 

[Mr. T]

Bunker that is what the CIA is for!

 

The thing with Black Water and why the Left hate the ideal is that they dont have to comply to what the UN wants and demands.

 

Yes there are some psychos that were hired there but it is WAR and you need some crazies on the point.

[Guest mz.]

The thing with Black Water and why the Left hate the ideal is that they dont have to comply to what the UN wants and demands.

 

That's the most ridiculous take on foreign policy I've ever read.

 

Good luck with the Board, John.

 

[Westside Steve]

That's the most ridiculous take on foreign policy I've ever read.

 

Good luck with the Board, John.

 

 

Actually there is a grain of truth in that for better or worse.

 

The entire Iraq problerm is the stepchild of the UN.

Hell, just the Desert Storm invasion as a UN plan but we get the world hatred because there isn't a chance in hell it gets done without us.

 

As long as the UN arbitrarily defines international boundaries and uses the US as an enforcer what does anyone expect?

 

WSS

[Guest BillyJack]

That's the most ridiculous take on foreign policy I've ever read.

 

with BlackWater we can say Mission Acomplished!

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Blackwater has many fine upstanding veterans working for it. I trust these men over and above what some liberal slime ball wants to portray as "scum" or "mega scum". These men have balls, something the OP has none. Nuff said.

[Guest mz.]

Says the cowardly "war hero" who doesn't have the balls to show his face after his resignation and has to come back with a nom de plume. Now THAT'S ballsy, Jeffro.

 

[calfoxwc]

mz the pussy, I told you that you were starting trouble before you left.

 

Now, here you are again, with the grating personal insults, of which you know nothing about.

 

Help make this board a BETTER place, don't be a major part of the problem you complained about.

[calfoxwc]

We are working on having a better board. For all your rants about the board being bad,

it seems all you've accomplished here, is to screw it up more.

 

I'll just let John, Rick and Stan be the judge of who started the crap in the first place.

[Westside Steve]

Ha. Nice holier-than-though attitude, cal. F--k off.

 

 

Actually mz the pussy, he's serious.

Many of us are trying not to be asshoiles and the others, well, why boither with 'em?

 

WSS

[Guest mz.]

Whatevs.

 

If you're interested in keeping score, you can point out to the powers that be that the thread took its ugly turn starting right here.

 

Thank you.

[calfoxwc]

No, it actually started with your cherry picked negative post that started this thread.

 

Of all the great things our troops and civilian folks have accomplished over there,

you have never, to my awareness, posted anything positive.

 

Just a news story that is negative.

 

The few/several guys who did what they did, should really get slammed, bigtime.

 

But Blackwater has far more employees than that.

[calfoxwc]

Here's some information to back up what I'm trying to say:

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Blackwater Worldwide

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from Blackwater USA)

 

Blackwater Worldwide, formerly Blackwater USA, is a private military company founded in 1997 by Erik Prince and Al Clark. In October 2007, Blackwater USA renamed itself Blackwater Worldwide, and is colloquially referred to simply as "Blackwater".

 

Based in the U.S. state of North Carolina, Blackwater operates a tactical training facility (36°27′19″N 76°12′09″W / 36.455359, -76.202545) which the company claims is the world's largest, and at which the company trains more than 40,000 people a year, mostly from U.S. or foreign military and police services. The training consists of military offensive and defensive operations, as well as smaller scale personnel security.

 

Blackwater Worldwide is currently the largest of the U.S. State Department's three private security contractors. Of the 987 contractors Blackwater provides, 744 are U.S. citizens. [2] [3] At least 90 percent of the company's revenue comes from government contracts, of which two-thirds are no-bid contracts.[4] Blackwater Worldwide is currently contracted by the United States government to provide security services in Iraq.[

 

[Guest mz.]

No, it actually started with your cherry picked negative post that started this thread.

 

Ha.

 

Wasn't aware that discussing the top story on the New York Times' site was "cherry-picking," cal. Guess dissenting opinions really aren't welcome here. You have a very nice homogeneous group here (that means "similar in kind", Die Hard, not a gay slur), and looks like it'll stay that way.

 

Anyway, you pretend to have "changed," but you're still the same intolerant old codger. Not sure who you think you're fooling.

 

And WSS, I'm sorry but you and Chic John are the only good guys still left around here.

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Leave and don't come back mz the pussy. Your nothing but a nuisance and a trouble maker. Your only purpose in starting this thread to begin with was to start trouble. Go back to your closet.

[Westside Steve]

Ha.

 

Wasn't aware that discussing the top story on the New York Times' site was "cherry-picking," cal. Guess dissenting opinions really aren't welcome here. You have a very nice homogeneous group here (that means "similar in kind", Die Hard, not a gay slur), and looks like it'll stay that way.

 

I don't know what you want actually.

Cal hasn't been insulting and you insist on engaging idiots.

You know it makes you mad.

 

But sure each side "cherry picks" stories that cast a bad light on the other side.

I have no doubt that the NYT does it all the time.

Their main goal is still to sell papers and ads.

Not that there isn't a basis of truth but you get the point.

Hell mz the pussy the Enquirer's stories are true.

But.......

 

Anyway, you pretend to have "changed," but you're still the same intolerant old codger. Not sure who you think you're fooling.

 

I don't expect anybody to change ideology.

Do you?

That isn't what bothers you is it?

Aren't we all "intolerant" of what we don't like?

 

And WSS, I'm sorry but you and Chic John are the only good guys still left around here.

 

I still think my philosophy works.

Don't read anything from those who piss you off and by all means don't respond.

 

WSS

[calfoxwc]

My point was, mz the pussy, you will note that I agreed with John that we need to give Obama a chance. His appointments

are no threat to mess this country up, as far as I can see -

 

I have tried to point out that Obama may very well become a centrist pres, despite his radical catapulting to fame.

 

I have admitted that the last 3 years of Bush has been very, very disappointing.

 

go look it up, it's true.

 

Steve is right, as usual - there are others who still are sensationally cherrypicking stuff that

is so far right that it doesn't necessarily get a good intelligent conversation going.

 

I've done it in the past, imho, in self-defense to prove a point.

 

Once again, we have two mods now, with Stan around also, and all of us would like

to have fun on this forum.

 

No trouble makers on EITHER side will be helping us do that.

 

mz the pussy, you don't know my communications with anyone outside of the forum.

 

They didn't leave, and they didn't try to get dissenters banned.

 

You have done both, and the first time you have come back, it's disaster all over again

from the git go, unprovoked.

 

Either be a part of the solution or don't be part of the problem. It isn't only you, but you

the main problem right now.

 

Have you ever considered posting any kind of post that is neutral enough to garner some respect

and could initiate some great conversation?

 

Just try it out, mz the pussy. The poloarization and sensationalism is a fine line sometimes, but the personal

attacks have long since made this forum a trash heap.

 

Everybody just needs to adhere to the new board function - having fun with some genuine conversations,

and trying to understand a little of issues on both sides.

 

And, imho, puuuullllleeeeezzzze, stop with the grotesque generalizations based on one incident, or a few people -

that kicks reasonable discussion right out the door.