The Gipper Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Here are the defensive players in the AFCN, alphabetical by team. Give your rankings of each position. Because of variances of the 3-4/4-3 I included all MLBs and all NTs/DTs in one category: Left DE: Balt: Chris Canty Cin: Carlos Dunlap Cle: Aytahba Rubin Pit: Ziggy Hood DTs/NTs: Balt: Terrence Cody Cin: Domata Peko Cin: Geno Atkins Cle: Phil Taylor Pit: Steve McClendon Right DE: Balt: Haloti Ngata Cin: Michael Johnson Cle: Desmond Bryant Pit: Brett Keisel LOLB: Balt: Terrell Suggs Cin: James Harrison Cle: Paul Kruger Pit: Lamar Woodley MLBs: Balt: Jameel McClain Balt: Arthur Brown Cin: Ray Maualauga Cle: Craig Robertson Cle: DQwell Jackson Pit: Larry Foote Pit: Lawrence Timmons ROLB: Balt: Elvis Dumerville Cin: Vontaze Burfict Cle: Jabaal Sheard Pit.: Jason Worilds LCB: Balt.: Ladarius Webb Cin: Dre Kirkpatrick Cle: Joe Haden Pit: Allen Cortez SS: Balt: Matt Elam Cin: Taylor Mays Cle: TJ Ward Pit: Troy Polamalu FS: Balt: Michael Huff Cin: Reggie Nelson Cle: Tashaun Gipson Pit: Ryan Clark RCB: Balt: Corey Graham Cin: Leon Hall Cle: Leon McFadden Pit: Ike Taylor Give your rank plus any comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Here are the defensive players in the AFCN, alphabetical by team. Give your rankings of each position. Because of variances of the 3-4/4-3 I included all MLBs and all NTs/DTs in one category: Left DE: Balt: Chris Canty Cin: Carlos Dunlap Cle: Aytahba Rubin Pit: Ziggy Hood 1. Rubin 2. Hood 3. Canty 4. Dunlop I don't see Rubin taking a back seat to any of these guys. DTs/NTs: Balt: Terrence Cody Cin: Domata Peko Cin: Geno Atkins Cle: Phil Taylor Pit: Steve McClendon 1. Atkins 2. Taylor 3. Peko 4. Cody 5. McClendon Right DE: Balt: Haloti Ngata Cin: Michael Johnson Cle: Desmond Bryant Pit: Brett Keisel 1. Ngata 2. Johnson 3. Keisel 4. Bryant. I have to see more from Bryant to raise him up. LOLB: Balt: Terrell Suggs Cin: James Harrison Cle: Paul Kruger Pit: Lamar Woodley 1. Suggs 2. Kruger 3. Woodley 4. Harrison MLBs: Balt: Jameel McClain Balt: Arthur Brown Cin: Ray Maualauga Cle: Craig Robertson Cle: DQwell Jackson Pit: Larry Foote Pit: Lawrence Timmons 1. Jackson 2. Foote 3. Timmons 4. Maualaga 5. McClain 6.. Robertson 7. Brown Rookies always take the end spot until they are proven ROLB: Balt: Elvis Dumerville Cin: Vontaze Burfict Cle: Jabaal Sheard Pit.: Jason Worilds I think it is the order as stated above: 1. Dumerville, 2. Burfict 3. Shears 4. Worilds Sheard has to show he can LB. LCB: Balt.: Ladarius Webb Cin: Dre Kirkpatrick Cle: Joe Haden Pit: Allen Cortez 1. Haden 2. Webb 3. Cortez 4. Kirkpatrick. Actually, any order behind Joe could work. SS: Balt: Matt Elam Cin: Taylor Mays Cle: TJ Ward Pit: Troy Polamalu 1. Ward 2. Polamalu 3. Mays 4. Elam. Polamalu's hair may still be overrated. Again, rookies take last place. FS: Balt: Michael Huff Cin: Reggie Nelson Cle: Tashaun Gipson Pit: Ryan Clark 1. Clark 2. Huff 3. Nelson 4. Gipson Home boy is going to have to prove a few things first. RCB: Balt: Corey Graham (Pro Bowl as special teamer with Chicago) Cin: Leon Hall Cle: Leon McFadden Pit: Ike Taylor 1. Graham 2. Taylor 3. Hall 4. McFadden. Again, rookies take the backside. Give your rank plus any comments. The only absolutes for me in these rankings is in Atkins/Ngata/Dumerville/Haden Any number of these other rankings could possibly be shifted and I would not squawk. Bold means player was in the Pro Bowl last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Here are the defensive players in the AFCN, alphabetical by team. Give your rankings of each position. Because of variances of the 3-4/4-3 I included all MLBs and all NTs/DTs in one category: I have researched each of these player and obtained their 2012 "Season Average" which was assigned to them by PFR, a number which is supposed to represent each players productivity in a particular season. If you just went by last year's "productivity number" the following would be the ranking. But note, an injured player won't rank so high because he will not have played and been productive while out: (NR means no rating...usually signifying a new rookie...or someone who was out the whole year) Left DE: Balt: Chris Canty Cin: Carlos Dunlap Cle: Aytahba Rubin Pit: Ziggy Hood Hood: 9, Rubin 6, Dunlap 5, Canty 4 DTs/NTs: Balt: Terrence Cody Cin: Domata Peko Cin: Geno Atkins Cle: Phil Taylor Pit: Steve McClendon Atkins 18, Peko 8, Taylor 4, Cody 3, McClendon NR Right DE: Balt: Haloti Ngata Cin: Michael Johnson Cle: Desmond Bryant Pit: Brett Keisel Ngata 13, Johnson 9, Keisel 9, Bryant 4 LOLB: Balt: Terrell Suggs Cin: James Harrison Cle: Paul Kruger Pit: Lamar Woodley Woodley 8, Harrison 8, Suggs 4, Kruger 4 MLBs: Balt: Jameel McClain Balt: Arthur Brown Cin: Ray Maualauga Cle: Craig Robertson Cle: DQwell Jackson Pit: Larry Foote Pit: Lawrence Timmons Timmons 11, Foote 10 Jackson 9, Maualaga 8, McClain 7, Robertson 4, Brown NR ROLB: Balt: Elvis Dumerville Cin: Vontaze Burfict Cle: Jabaal Sheard Pit.: Jason Worilds Dumerville 12 Sheard 8, Burfict 8, Worilds 3 LCB: Balt.: Ladarius Webb Cin: Dre Kirkpatrick Cle: Joe Haden Pit: Allen Cortez Haden 5, Webb 3,, Kirkpatrick 0, Cortez NR SS: Balt: Matt Elam Cin: Taylor Mays Cle: TJ Ward Pit: Troy Polamalu Ward 6, Polamalu 4, Mays 2, Elam NR FS: Balt: Michael Huff Cin: Reggie Nelson Cle: Tashaun Gipson Pit: Ryan Clark Clark 8, Nelson 7, Huff 6, Gipson 2 RCB: Balt: Corey Graham Cin: Leon Hall Cle: Leon McFadden Pit: Ike Taylor Hall 7, Taylor 6, Graham 4, McFadden NR Give your rank plus any comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Foote and jackson ahead of timmons? Lol. And dunlap is the best left defensive end in the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Foote and jackson ahead of timmons? Lol. The season production number shows that Timmons would be first. But it is close enough that I put Jackson ahead because he is...or was the only MLB in a 4-3 scheme. As for Timmons vs. Foote, tweedledum, tweedledee , you can have that. And dunlap is the best left defensive end in the north. The production number says otherwise....though, remember, this production number will be lessened for anyone who was out some games with injury. Maybe that was the case with Dunlap. It certainly was with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Here is how each team fared with who got the top spot on the PFR season production average list: Note, I include two DTs and two MLBs: Pitt.: 5 spots: Hood, Woodley, Timmons, Foote, Clark Cincy: 3 spots Atkins, Harrison, Peko Balt: 2 spots: Ngata, Dumerville Based on my observation here, it seems that Baltimore should have the top defensive line with Ngata and Dumerville at the top of their spots. Pittsburgh should have the best linebakers with Timmons, Foote and Woodley, and the Browns should have the top defensive backfield with Haden and Ward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Here is how each team fared with who got the top spot on the PFR season production average list: Note, I include two DTs and two MLBs: Pitt.: 5 spots: Hood, Woodley, Timmons, Foote, Clark Cincy: 3 spots Atkins, Harrison, Peko Balt: 2 spots: Ngata, Dumerville Based on my observation here, it seems that Baltimore should have the top defensive line with Ngata and Dumerville at the top of their spots. Pittsburgh should have the best linebakers with Timmons, Foote and Woodley, and the Browns should have the top defensive backfield with Haden and Ward. I'm almost certain that Dumerville will be standing up at outside linebacker opposite Suggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I'm almost certain that Dumerville will be standing up at outside linebacker opposite Suggs. Again, I went by the Ourlads Depth Charts. A lot of that could be said for these 3-4 systems. A guy could be a DL,or a LB. A DE an an LB will often line up in the same spot. The only question is whether or not he has his hand on the ground or not. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 The gross scores from the PFR season production average gives the current depth chart number as these, which, in theory should reflect the strength of each defense based on 2012 production: Bengals: 73 points Steelers: 68 points Browns: 59 points Ravens: 56 points It should be pointed out that players lost from last year are not included. E.g. the Ravens 2013 defense does not get the benefit of the scores of the likes of Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, etc. etc. And also, rookies that are projected to start get no points, so e.g. the Browns get -0- for Leon McFadden, the Ravens -0- for Arthur Brown. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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