Osiris Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 So for those of you that think the USA and Russia getting cozy is a good idea (someone here asked me why I thought better relations with Russia was a bad thing, don't remember which thread), please note the following. In the past week... Russian Spy Ship Spotted Off Delaware Coast http://nypost.com/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-spotted-off-us-coast/ Russia Redeployed Cruise Missiles, Breaking 1987 INF Arms Treaty http://nypost.com/2017/02/14/russia-secretly-deploys-cruise-missile-violating-arms-treaty/ Russian Fighters Buzz US Destroyer in Baltic http://abcnews.go.com/International/russian-fighters-buzz-us-navy-destroyer-close-range/story?id=38364404 Russian SU-27 Comes Within 15 Feet of US Recon Plane http://abcnews.go.com/International/russian-fighter-jet-15-feet-us-air-force/story?id=36601212 Meanwhile, Flynn resigns amidst allegations of inappropriate Russian contacts. But wait a minute, I thought Trump and Putin were buddies? They say such wonderful things about each other: Trump on Putin http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/ Putin on Trump http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/putin-praises-clever-trump_us_58440893e4b0c68e0481671c http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263555-putin-praises-trump-hes-a-really-brilliant-and-talented-person Trump is right about one thing, Putin is outsmarting the US right now, precisely because he's playing Trump for a fool. Putin's praise for Trump is not admiration, it's a calculated strategy based on Putin's understanding of Trump's personality. Trump craves admiration and attention, so he gives it to him, and he'll keep giving it to him until he's got Trump wrapped around his finger. Putin's already got Trump disrespecting NATO because it isn't "taking care of terror." At the same time, he's saying he wants to lift sanctions on Russia. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/world/europe/donald-trump-nato.html?_r=0 Russia has never gotten over being outsmarted and broken by Reagan. Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union: According to Vladimir Bukovsky, a dissident who spent a decade in Soviet prisons before his exile to the West in 1976, Putin is totally genuine when he says the disintegration of the Soviet Union was a "geopolitical catastrophe". "He does not understand that the collapse of the Soviet system was predetermined, therefore he believes his mission is to restore the Soviet system as soon as possible," he says. -http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481 Russia is planning on major expansion and redeployment to it's forces in 2017 on it's borders with Europe. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-vladimir-putin-military-expansion-reinforcements-europe-a7491276.html Let's put it all together.: - Putin, who wants to restore the USSR, comes into power in 1999. - Using 'War on Terror' after 9/11 as a pretext, he invades and eventually annexes Georgia and Crimea. - Putin encourages friction between Trump and NATO, with Trump criticizing NATO for not doing enough about terrorism. Trump talks about lifting sanctions imposed on Russia for annexing Crimea. - Trump's immigration ban sneaks in language that can get America drawn into the war in Syria, making our military further committed elsewhere around the globe. - Who benefits? Russia. The more NATO can be focused on terrorism, the less it can be focused on what Russia is doing. Russia wants nothing more than for the US, Europe and NATO to be singularly focused (distracted) by the threats posed by terrorists who in reality do not pose an existential threat to any nation outside of the Middle East. - Missiles have already been redeployed in violation of the 1987 treaty. - With the Western powers distracted, Russia will redeploy forces as mentioned in the link above. Appropriately aggressive responses to this will not come from a terrorism-obsessed US administration that seems to admire Russia and has been talking with them even before they came into power. A terrorism-obsessed US populace will not put any pressure on this administration to counter Russian maneuvers. Say hello to the Soviet Union 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Dont know what to make of putin yet, its funny though hiw conservatives maligned liberal actors for hanging out with him but as soon as he rubs trumps balls just right he's now our best buddy. Cal doesnt know from day to day whether he likes putin or not. Until he gets his daily field orders from blaze or breitbart ofc. Today putin good!!! Wait, lo there yonder leftist abort abort putin bad putin bad now!! Bad putin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Muslim bigotry, who knew? https://youtu.be/9sudCmrAsF4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Osiris Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 More evidence of Russia's plans: http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/61498/russia-funds-french-national-front-is-moscow-sowing-european-unrest http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/21/marine-le-pens-russian-links-us-scrutiny/ In May, Le Pen said in an interview that she will recognise Crimea as Russian territory if she wins the French presidency." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Osiris Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR. It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 not off topic at all. You are goading about terrible Trump wanting to be friendly with Russia, and you ignore, ignorantly/dishonestly about the lack of respect Russian has for us, over the trashheap of obamao/higgardly disasters the last eight years. It's right on subject - who is responsible for Russia not respecting us, and why it's bad to trust them. Whining sombeitch. You bragged about goading me, but you can't take goading. I suppose because you're a Muslim, you get to decide you get to goad, but nobody else does. Hypocrite whiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Ur one to talk coatse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR. It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff. The re-set button was kind of silly gimmick though from Clinton. I would think about all administrations would try to have improved relations with Russia. It would be in our best interest. I remember Obama promising to Putin he would have more flexibility after he was re-elected. As long as we go into trying to improve relations with Russia with our eyes wide open and do things in our best interest why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 The re-set button was kind of silly gimmick though from Clinton. I would think about all administrations would try to have improved relations with Russia. It would be in our best interest. I remember Obama promising to Putin he would have more flexibility after he was re-elected. As long as we go into trying to improve relations with Russia with our eyes wide open and do things in our best interest why not? If you have someone as savvy as Putin, sure. That guy isn't Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 If you have someone as savvy as Putin, sure. That guy isn't Trump. Obama was savvy I will give him that. He was far more radical in his ideas and views than most people realized because of how he presented himself and his demeanor. There is something to say though for someone like Trump and a what you see is what you get person. You know where they are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Be calm comrades, all is gut in the motherland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clevfan4life Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Ahh the dnc/clinton playbook....the real scandal is that trumps scandals are being exposed. Very well done by him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR. It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff. Steve, without violating his privacy, is dealing with an issue at the moment. I expect he'll be away from the board for a time. We're gonna have to fend for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I hope and expect general mattis has his eye on the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Steve, without violating his privacy, is dealing with an issue at the moment. I expect he'll be away from the board for a time. We're gonna have to fend for ourselves. Okay, I hope he is doing okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Obama was savvy I will give him that. He was far more radical in his ideas and views than most people realized because of how he presented himself and his demeanor. There is something to say though for someone like Trump and a what you see is what you get person. You know where they are coming from. true - that and he voted "present" 128 times to hide who he was... instead of "yay" or "nay". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 So, WSS or forum admin, I happened to click on a few of Cal's posts. They aren't on thread topic at all. Can the ones that are not be deleted? I truly and honestly would like to have a discussion with people on this board about Russia and it's maneuverings to rebuild the USSR. It's pretty clear he's just trying to derail the thread by cluttering it with off-topic stuff "boo hoo, whine, I admitted to goading Cal, but now he does it back and I wet my pants, "sniffly sniffly" please ban him, delete his posts and let me, his highness osiris, control the message and content of this board." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Maybe we should deliberately shitting up ur threads then with page after page of useless bullshit cut and pastes. Osiris isnt begrudging ur posting, he's begrudging you coming into his thread and deliberately making post after post of non relevant shit that doesnt address his topic. You would hop pn one leg if we did it to u like u to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 you're completely and deliberately wrong. His highness osiris even bragged about goading me. And, the cartoons I posted were to the point - his highness osiris gloated about the stupidity of Trump wanting to be friends with terrible Russia. But, he avoids talking about higgardly wanting to be friends with terrible Russia. Seriously, do you have a reading problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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