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  1. Jerome Ford is a tank. Emerson looks like a great pick for our secondary. We can definitely say our 2s and 3s are putting together a much more promising debut than our 1s. Itā€™s a long season. My only question is how do we cram all this RB talent onto the roster/field?! Would hate to lose any of them!
  2. I have a very bad feeling this is going to be painful, even for a preseason game.
  3. The only intelligent commentary here has come from SDbacker and Zombo and yes I know how crazy that statement sounds. So many of you are so quick to jump onto the bandwagon of hating Baker. You would rather tear down your own team to satisfy your urge to virtue signal and ā€œfit inā€ than acknowledge the fact that this entire season, not just for the Browns, has been a shit show. At the end of the day all that matters is our boys are in the thick of the AFC North title race. This division is so tightly contested that any one of the four teams could run the table and take the division crown. This team has demonstrated some resilience, and now itā€™s football weather time in our neck of the woods. Our team Is built from the ground up to make these sorts of late season, ground and pound close out runs. Health is the KEY!
  4. Empty, thoughtless, jibber jabber from Dutch and Orion. I imagine you both distinctly resemble in voice the adults from Charlie Brown. In my opinion, your whining disqualifies you from enjoying our football team after so much suffering. Good day sirs *tips hat*
  5. I am deeply opposed to explaining away our record, but I bold/underlined what I think is the two most important parts of this season. Two swings, one involving some luck and the other the refs not stealing the game from us, this banged up, bruised up, battered team is freakin 8-3. Food for thoughts, all Iā€™m saying.
  6. Again, I feel you severely lack perspective my friend. Iā€™ll take learning on the job over the washed up, irrelevant coaches and front offices just here for the paycheck, the journeyman veterans at QB that came here for the same, the ā€œabsolutely no one would make that pick at QBā€ EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DRAFT, the constant QB room drama, endless losing, and absolutely mindless tearing down of my team every two to three years. we have a football team. It is hurt, struggling, but my sweet Jesus IT IS NOT WHAT WE ENDURED FOR TWO DECADES! THATS MY QB! THATS MY COACH! GO BROWNS.
  7. To go even further than just the QB misery Cal, and you touched on it, the COACHES! HOLY SHIT! Let's list them too for everyone in their sorry state of sadness over where our team is this year, battling insurmountable injuries at our most important position groups: Chris Palmer Term: 1999-2000 Record: 5-27 Chris Palmer was tasked with leading the Browns in their return to the NFL. He didnā€™t have any pro head coaching experience, and went 2-14 and 3-13 in two seasons. He went on to serve as offensive coordinator for the Houston Texas and Tennessee Titans. Most recently, Palmer was an offensive assistant under Rex Ryan for the Buffalo Bills until 2016. A close up Head Coach Chris Palmer of the Cleveland Browns looking on during the Pre-Season game against the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin. The Packers defeated the Browns 34-33. (Mandatory Credit: Jonathan Daniel /Allsport via Getty) Butch Davis Term: 2001-2004 Record: 24-34 Butch Davis resigned after nearly four years with the Browns. He dealt with a quarterback controversy when he started backup Kelly Holcomb for an injured Tim Couch, then kept Holcomb in the starting role. Davis is the only coach on this list to lead the Browns in a playoff game. Cleveland lost in the 2002 Wild Card game to the Steelers, 33-36. He later returned to coaching at the collegiate level, at North Carolina and FIU. Head coach Butch Davis of the Cleveland Browns yells during the game against the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium on November 28, 2004 in Cincinnati, Ohio. The Bengals defeated the Browns 58-48. (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images) Terry Robiskie Term: 2004 Record: 1-5 Terry Robiskie started his NFL career as a running back. He was on the Raiders and Redskins coaching staffs, before becoming the Browns wide receivers coach, then offensive coordinator. The Browns named him interim head coach following Butch Davisā€™ departure. Robiskie interviewed to be the permanent head coach, but the Browns went with Romeo Crennel. Robiskie remained on the Browns staff until 2007. For the next several seasons, he was the wide receivers coach for the Atlanta Falcons, where he was credited with helping to develop Julio Jones and Roddy White. He spent this season as running backs coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Terry Robiskie, head coach of the Cleveland Browns stands on the sidelines against the Buffalo Bills on December 12, 2004 at Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park, New York. The Bills defeated the Browns 37-7.(Photo by Rick Stewart/Getty Images) Romeo Crennel Term: 2005-2008 Record: 24-40 Romeo Crennel first worked for the Browns as defensive coordinator in 2000. The following season, he coached under Bill Belichick at the New England Patriots. Crennel returned to Cleveland as head coach in 2005. He led the Browns to a 10-6 record in 2007, their second winning-record since returning to the league in 1999. But the team failed to make the playoffs. Browns owner Randy Lerner fired him soon after getting ride of general manager Phil Savage. Crennel got another head coaching gig with the Kansas City Chiefs. Since 2018, heā€™s served as assistant coach and defensive coordinator of the Houston Texans. Head coach Romeo Crennel of the Cleveland Browns watches the action from the sidelines during the game against the Buffalo Bills at Ralph Wilson Stadium on November 17, 2008 in Orchard Park, New York. (Photo by: Rick Stewart/Getty Images) Eric Mangini Term: 2009-2010 Record: 10-22 Eric Mangini began his coaching career under Bill Belichick (Noticing a theme here?) at the Cleveland Browns. The two reunited in New England and then, in 2009, Mangini became the next head coach of the Browns. During his time in Cleveland, he handled a lengthy list of starting quarterbacks: Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. The 2010 season was the year of running back Peyton Hillis. (What a time to be alive.) Like other coaches of Clevelandā€™s past, Mangini found other NFL jobs. He was a tight ends coach and defensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers. And donā€™t forget, heā€™s a three-time Super Bowl champion. Head coach Eric Mangini of the Cleveland Browns watches as his team takes on the Chicago Bears at Soldier Field on November 1, 2009 in Chicago, Illinois. The Bears defeated the Browns 30-6. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) Pat Shurmur Term: 2011-2012 Record: 9-23 For those keeping track, the Browns had a 64-129 record until this point. And weā€™re about to pick up the pace. Pat Shurmur worked his way from college coaching to the NFL, and in 2011, then-Browns president Mike Holmgren named him the new head coach. Ahead of his second season, Cleveland selected running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden in the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. (Man, this was a odd time to be a Browns fan.) But that didnā€™t jumpstart the teamā€™s offense. The Browns fired Shurmur and general manager Tom Heckert as they headed into the Jimmy Haslam era of ownership. Shurmur was recently fired by the New York Giants. Head Coach Pat Shurmur of the Cleveland Browns looks on during pre-game warm ups before playing the Oakland Raiders at Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum on December 2, 2012 in Oakland, California. (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images) Rob Chudzinski Term: 2013 Record: 4-12 It was one and done for this Ohio native. He was the Browns tight ends coach in 2004, and the offensive coordinator from 2007 to 2008. So it was a shock when the man who said heā€™s a, ā€œCleveland Brown to the coreā€ was fired as head coach. He spent the following four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts. Head coach head coach Rob Chudzinski of the Cleveland Browns stands on the sidelines before the game against the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field on October 20, 2013 in Green Bay, Wisconsin. (Photo by Brian Kersey/Getty Images) Mike Pettine Term: 2014-2015 Record: 10-22 Mike Pettine was the defensive coordinator for the New York Jets, then the Buffalo Bills before coming to Cleveland. But the Browns continued their trend of finishing fourth in the AFC North. The Browns fired Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer, who drafted Johnny Manziel. This is marks the rise of Sashi Brown. Donā€™t worry about Pettine. Heā€™s settled nicely into his current role as defensive coordinator of the Green Bay Packers. Head coach Mike Pettine of the Cleveland Browns watches from the sidelines during the first half against the Cincinnati Bengals at FirstEnergy Stadium on December 6, 2015 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images) Hue Jackson Term: 2016-2018 Record: 3-36 On paper, Hue Jackson seemed like a decent choice to be the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He had an extensive career at the collegiate level before making the jump to the NFL as running backs coach with the Washington Redskins. He worked for years with the Cincinnati Bengals, helping along the wide receiver duo of Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmanzadeh. As Browns head coach, the team had a winless season and a .088 winning percentage. Jackson was let go midseason. Things got a little heated when the Bengals brought him on as a special assistant to the head coach. Head coach Hue Jackson of the Cleveland Browns before the game against the Baltimore Ravens at FirstEnergy Stadium on October 7, 2018 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images) Greg Williams Term: 2018 Record: 5-3 Greg Williams became infamous for his involvement in the New Orleans Saints bounty scandal. He even received an indefinite suspension from the league in 2012. He bounced around the NFL, from the Rams to the Titans to the Rams again, then ended up the defensive coordinator for the Browns in 2017. He became interim head coach after the Browns fired Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley. Williamsā€™ 5-3 record doesnā€™t look too bad about now, does it? Heā€™s the only one with an average over .500. Head coach Gregg Williams of the Cleveland Browns looks on prior to the game against the Kansas City Chiefs at FirstEnergy Stadium on November 4, 2018 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Kirk Irwin/Getty Images) Freddie Kitchens Term: 2019 Record: 6-10 It was easy to like Freddie Kitchens at first. Especially with lines like, ā€œIf you donā€™t wear brown and orange, you donā€™t matter.ā€ He got us and Browns fans love a guy who gets us. But ā€œgetting usā€ only gets you so far. Kitchens worked his way up through the Arizona Cardinals organization before coming to Cleveland as the running backs coach. When the Browns axed Hue Jackson and Todd Haley, Kitchens got a big promotion to offensive coordinator. He also got a lot of credit for helping Baker Mayfield with his rookie season. So much credit that he was named head coach. Between the poor clock management, questionable play design and even worse play callings, itā€™s no surprise Kitchens was fired after one season. Head coach Freddie Kitchens of the Cleveland Browns looks on from the sidelines during the first half of the NFL football game against the Arizona Cardinals at State Farm Stadium on December 15, 2019 in Glendale, Arizona. (Photo by Ralph Freso/Getty Images)
  8. I invite you over to mi casa so I can completely tear your labrum, fracture your clavicle, and bust up your knee real good. Then I am going to strap football pads and a helmet on you, and send your stupid ass out on the field to get hit by NFL players. Then, and only then, will you have a relevant perspective as to what Baker is facing each and every snap. The absolute short sightedness, the complete loss of memory of what we have endured for 20 years at the most important position in football. TO BOO A GUY, DURING A GAME, WHO IS OUT THERE GIVING IT ALL! I am starting to run out of words. Here I'll list the names again: Tim Couch, 1999-2003 Tim Couch wasnā€™t the answer in Cleveland. | Getty Images Tim Couch didnā€™t start the very first game when the Browns returned to the NFL, but he was the future of the franchise on that day. Couch ended up with the Browns for five seasons, and then was out of the league before his 27th birthday. For his career, the Browns No. 1 overall pick back in 1999 recorded 64 touchdowns, 67 interceptions, and a 75.1 passer rating. In 2002, Couch led the team to its one and only playoff appearance since coming back to the NFL ā€” but was unable to play in the game due to injury. Key stats: 59 starts, 64 TD, 67 INT, 75.1 rating 2. Ty Detmer, 1999 The quarterback that did start the opener in that 1999 season was Ty Detmer. In that game, Detmer was just 6-for-13 passing with an interception and 52 yards before Cleveland turned to Couch in the 43-0 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Detmer had been brought in primarily as a mentor to the young Couch, and he served that purpose. He threw four touchdowns, two picks, and a 75.7 passer rating in his only season with the team. Key stats: 2 starts, 4 TD, 2 INT, 75.7 rating Next: A Super Bowl winner. 3. Doug Pederson, 2000 Doug Pederson played one season in Cleveland. | Getty Images Before he was known as the head coach of the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, Doug Pederson was an NFL quarterback. He spent most of his career in Green Bay as Brett Favreā€™s backup, but joined the Browns in 2000 and made eight starts. Pederson recorded seven touchdowns, nine interceptions, and a 62.9 passer rating that year in Cleveland and then promptly returned to Green Bay to spend four more years backing up Favre. Key stats: 8 starts, 2 TD, 8 INT, 56.6 rating 4. Spergon Wynn, 2000 There isnā€™t a whole lot of story to tell with Spergon Wynn. He went to collage at Texas St. and was a sixth-round draft choice of the Browns in 2000, just one year after they drafted Couch No. 1 overall. But Wynn started just one game (he appeared in seven total) in a Browns uniform that year, a 48-0 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. He was released after the season and made a brief appearance with the Minnesota Vikings before disappearing into obscurity. Key stats: 1 start, 0 TD, 1 INT, 41.2 rating Next: The Brownsā€™ only playoff starter. 5. Kelly Holcomb, 2002-2004 Kelly Holcomb of the Cleveland Browns looks down in frustration. | Andy Lyons/Getty Images Kelly Holcomb actually joined the Browns in 2001, appearing in one game but making zero starts. He primarily served as Couchā€™s backup during his time with the team, and actually started for the injured Couch in that one playoff game. Holcomb didnā€™t play poorly, going 26-for-43 passing with 429 passing yards, three touchdowns, and one interception. His career regular season marks with the team include 26 touchdowns, 21 interceptions, and an 83.3 passer rating. Key stats: 12 starts, 26 TD, 21 INT, 83.3 rating 6. Jeff Garcia, 2004 Former Pro Bowler Jeff Garcia was the highest profile player to come to the Browns ever back when he signed in 2004. Unfortunately, Garcia unable to lift the team from its extended doldrums. The 34-year-old recorded just 10 touchdowns, nine interceptions, and a 76.7 passer rating in his only season. But he wasnā€™t exactly washed up. Garcia left and spent five more seasons in the NFL, including another trip to the Pro Bowl in 2007 with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Key stats: 10 starts, 10 TD, 9 INT, 76.7 rating Next: One of the McCownsā€™. 7. Luke McCown, 2004 Quarterback Luke McCown of the Cleveland Browns is sacked by defensive end Chris Kelsay. | Rick Stewart/Getty Images Luke isnā€™t the only McCown on this list, but more on that later. He was a fourth-round draft pick of Cleveland back in 2004, and as a rookie he was able to make four starts with the team. McCown posted just four touchdowns, seven interceptions, and a 52.6 rating in that time. After briefly disappearing from the league, he did go on to have a decent NFL career. McCown played 10 years in the league as a backup quarterback before eventually retiring at the age of 34. Key stats: 4 starts, 4 TD, 7 INT, 52.6 rating 8. Trent Dilfer, 2005 Trent Dilfer is a fun trivia question, as the starting quarterback who led the Baltimore Ravens to a Super Bowl victory in 2000. He joined the Browns near the end of his career, starting 11 games in 2005. Dilfer threw for 11 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and had a 76.9 passer rating to go along with a 4-7 record. He did not play at all the next season before wrapping up his career with the San Francisco 49ers in 2007. Key stats: 11 starts, 11 TD, 12 INT, 76.9 rating Next: A draft pick that fizzled out. 9. Charlie Frye, 2005-2007 Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Charlie Frye threw for 198 yards and won his first NFL game with the Cleveland Browns. | Robert B. Stanton/NFLPhotoLibrary Charlie Frye was a third-round pick of the Browns in 2005, and you may be noticing a pattern by this point. The Browns drafted a lot of quarterbacks. Frye spent three years in Cleveland, totaling 19 starts. He ultimately compiled 14 touchdown passes, 23 picks, and a 71.1 rating with the team. Frye played two more years in the league as a backup before retiring at 28 years old in 2009. Key stats: 19 starts, 14 TD, 23 INT, 71.1 rating 10. Derek Anderson, 2006-2009 Although he was a journeyman for the majority of his career, Derek Anderson had one very solid season for the Browns. The 2007 season was Andersonā€™s first as the primary starter, and he finished the year with 29 touchdowns, 3,787 passing yards, and an 82.5 passer rating. He made the Pro Bowl and led Cleveland to a 10-6 record, although a tiebreaker cost them a chance at another trip to the playoffs. Like everyone that came before him, however, Anderson was not the long term solution for the Browns. Key stats: 34 starts, 46 TD, 45 INT, 69.7 rating Next: Another first round bust. 11. Brady Quinn, 2008-2009 Brady Quinn didnā€™t live up to the hype. | Andy Lyons/Getty Images How could Cleveland lose with Brady Quinn? He seemed like a sure thing, an excellent quarterback coming out of an even better program at Notre Dame. The Browns took him with the No. 22 overall pick in 2007, and the results over his two-year stint as a starter were mostly underwhelming: 10 touchdowns, nine interceptions, and a 66.8 passer rating. The team was 3-9 in his 12 starts, and Quinn played his last NFL game in 2012. Key stats: 12 starts, 10 TD, 9 INT, 66.8 rating 12. Ken Dorsey, 2008 Who canā€™t forget Ken Dorsey? This journeyman came to Cleveland in 2006 with little experience, having started 10 NFL games in the previous two seasons with the 49ers. He didnā€™t actually start a game until 2008, compiling zero touchdowns, seven interceptions, and a brutal 26.1 passer rating. That was bad enough that the former University of Miami star would never again appear in an NFL game. Key stats: 3 starts, 0 TD, 7 INT, 26.1 rating Next: A journeyman QB with a 2.8 passer rating. 13. Bruce Gradkowski, 2008 Bruce Gradkowski of the Cleveland Browns gets sacked by Andre Frazier of the Pittsburgh Steelers. | Gregory Shamus/Getty Images Bruce Gradkowski is yet another journeyman quarterback to make a start for the Browns. He started 11 games as a rookie with the Buccaneers in 2006, and then just a total of nine starts the rest of his career. In his one season in Cleveland, Gradkowski made just one start (two appearances) in the last game of the year against the Steelers. He was 5-for-16 passing with 18 yards and two interceptions, so itā€™s no wonder he didnā€™t get another starting job after his showcase. Key stats: 1 starts, 0 TD, 3 INT, 2.8 rating 14. Colt McCoy, 2010-2011 Colt McCoy was a third-round pick of the Browns in 2010 and ended up starting eight games as a rookie. He actually was the primary starter for the first two years of his career, but played his way out of the lineup by 2012. McCoyā€™s Cleveland career was one of constant battering behind a porous offensive line, making him the victim of 59 sacks in 24 total appearances. He had 21 touchdowns, 20 picks, and a 74.8 passer rating while there. Key stats: 21 starts, 21 TD, 20 INT, 74.8 rating Next: Another former Super Bowl quarterback. 15. Jake Delhomme, 2010 Jake Delhomme of the Cleveland Browns throws a first quarter pass. | Gregory Shamus/Getty Images Jake Delhomme is better remembered for his time (and Super Bowl appearance) with the Carolina Panthers, but he did suit up for the Browns late in his career. Delhomme was a bit banged up by the time he rolled into Cleveland, and he ended up making just four starts, throwing two touchdowns and four interceptions. The 35-year-old made his way to the Houston Texans the following year, but he made no starts and just one appearance before retiring. Key stats: 4 starts, 2 TD, 7 INT, 63.4 rating 16. Seneca Wallace, 2010-2011 Once the Seattle Seahawks had decided they were through with Seneca Wallace, the Cleveland Browns took a flyer on the 30-year-old. He played two uneventful seasons with the Browns, starting seven games and leading the team to a 1-6 record. It might be better to consult his receiving statistics, where Wallace was occasionally used effectively when split out wide. He caught two passes for 30 yards in his Browns career. As far as Wallaceā€™s passing numbers with the Browns, however, he was perfectly average: six touchdowns, four picks, and a 76.6 passer rating. Key stats: 7 starts, 6 TD, 4 INT, 76.6 rating Next: Maybe the oldest true rookie ever? 17. Brandon Weeden, 2012-2013 Brandon Weeden speaks for all of us. | Jason Miller/Getty Images Maybe the oldest true rookie of all time at the age of 29, the prospect of Brandon Weeden catching on as a starting NFL quarterback always seemed dubious. But the Browns drafted him with the No. 22 pick in the first round anyway, and Weeden ended up starting just 20 games over two seasons in Cleveland. He threw 23 touchdowns, 26 interceptions, and posted a 71.8 rating. Also, there was this beauty. Key stats: 20 starts, 23 TD, 26 INT, 71.8 rating 18. Thad Lewis, 2012 Thad Lewis went undrafted and made his first appearance in the NFL at the age of 27, starting a game for the Browns in 2012. He actually didnā€™t play that poorly in the game, recording a touchdown, a pick, 204 yards passing, and an 83.3 passer rating. That earned Lewis a chance to hang on with the Buffalo Bills the following year, when he made five starts. But that was pretty much it for Lewisā€™ mostly-forgettable NFL career. Key stats: 1 starts, 1 TD, 1 INT, 83.3 rating Next: A backup that needed to start. 19. Jason Campbell, 2013 Jason Campbell of the Cleveland Browns prepares to throw against the New England Patriots. | Jim Rogash/Getty Images Jason Campbell was a solid quarterback in the NFL. He was good enough to be an unspectacular starter, or at the very least a great backup. He came to the Browns in the starter role at the age of 32 in 2013, but by that time Campbell was definitively a backup and nothing more. His Browns totals reflect that, as Campbell posted 11 touchdowns, eight interceptions, and a 76.9 passer rating in eight starts. Key stats: 8 starts, 11 TD, 8 INT, 76.9 rating 20. Brian Hoyer, 2013-2014 Brian Hoyer is a local guy, either loved or hated by Browns fans depending on their desire to see Johnny Football take the field. Hoyer started briefly in 2013 and then majority of 2014, ultimately recording 17 touchdowns, 16 interceptions, and a 77.6 passer rating. He left to play in Houston in 2015, backed up Jay Cutler in 2016, and went 0-6 in six starts with the 49ers in 2017. The 32-year-old signed a three-year deal with the Patriots in November of 2017. Key stats: 16 starts, 17 TD, 16 INT, 77.6 rating Next: Johnny Football. 21. Johnny Manziel, 2014-2015 Johnny Manziel didnā€™t work out in Cleveland. | Elsa/Getty Images Johnny Manziel (AKA Johnny Football) was an extremely polarizing college football player. Jerry Jones badly wanted to draft him, despite already having Tony Romo in his prime. Jones passed, and the Browns took Manziel with the 22nd pick in 2014. Manziel would unfortunately be just another in a long line of quarterback failures in Cleveland, going 2-6 in his eight starts with seven touchdowns, seven interceptions, and a 74.4 passer rating. Alcohol (and legal) problems have ended his career already, barring a comeback in 2018. Key stats: 8 starts, 7 TD, 7 INT, 74.4 rating 22. Connor Shaw, 2014 Who? Connor Shaw went undrafted and made one appearance in the NFL, starting a single game for the Cleveland Browns in 2014. The 23-year-old was not good, going 14-for-28 with 177 yards and an interception in a 20-10 loss to the Ravens. Assuming Shaw doesnā€™t come back and play in the NFL again ā€” a possibility, as heā€™s only 26 ā€” he will finish with a 55.2 passer rating. Key stats: 1 starts, 0 TD, 1 INT, 55.2 rating Next: The greatest in (modern) franchise history? 23. Josh McCown, 2015-2016 Josh McCown of the Cleveland Browns passes against the New York Jets. | Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images Josh McCown, as sad as this statement is, may just be the best Browns quarterback (since their NFL return in 1999) to start at least 11 games for the team. He started eight games in 2015, posting a 93.3 passer rating with 2,109 yards, 12 touchdowns, and four interceptions. The 36-year-old wasnā€™t quite as good the following year, starting just three games for Cleveland. McCown finished his Browns career with a 1-10 record in his 11 starts but with an 85.7 rating. Key stats: 11 starts, 18 TD, 10 INT, 85.7 rating 24. Austin Davis, 2015 Austin Davis started eight games for the St. Louis Rams in 2014, compiling an 85.1 passer rating with 12 touchdowns to nine interceptions. So there was some optimism when the Browns picked him up as a backup heading into the 2015 season. The optimism was misplaced. Davis started two games for the Browns, throwing one touchdown, three interceptions, and putting up a 66.2 passer rating. In 2017, he was on the Seahawksā€™ roster as a backup to Russell Wilson. Key stats: 2 starts, 1 TD, 3 INT, 66.2 rating Next: An injury-plagued disappointment. 25. Robert Griffin III, 2016 Quarterback Robert Griffin III of the Cleveland Browns looks to pass against the Philadelphia Eagles. | Rich Schultz/Getty Images The signing of Robert Griffin III seemed doomed from the start in Cleveland. Although Griffin had been excellent as a rookie with the Washington Redskins, he was injury prone and had started to decline by the time the Browns picked him up. Griffin was healthy for just five games during his stint in Cleveland, going 1-4 with two touchdowns, three interceptions, and a 72.5 passer rating. He did not play in the 2017 season, and itā€™s unknown what the future holds for Griffin in the NFL. Key stats: 5 starts, 2 TD, 3 INT, 72.5 rating 26. Cody Kessler, 2016 With Griffin missing the bulk of the year, 2016 third-round draft pick Cody Kessler stepped in to start eight games for the 2016 Browns. He actually wasnā€™t bad at all, and in two seasons with the team has thrown six touchdowns with three interceptions and a 87.4 passer rating. Kessler is coming into the final two years of his four-year contract, and time will tell what his future looks like in the NFL. Key stats: 8 starts, 6 TD, 3 INT, 87.4 rating Next: An awful second-round pick. 28. DeShone Kizer, 2017 Quarterback DeShone Kizer of the Cleveland Browns passes. | Jason Miller/Getty Images DeShone Kizer was the second-round draft pick of the Browns in 2017, and he started 15 of the teamā€™s 16 games in his rookie year. Kizer led the NFL with 22 interceptions, posting a putrid 60.5 passer rating. The experiment with Kizer has likely come to an end, being that Cleveland has traded for quarterback Tyrod Taylor and is expected to draft another QB with the No. 1 overall pick in 2018. Key stats: 15 starts, 11 TD, 22 INT, 60.5 rating 28. Kevin Hogan, 2017 The other quarterback that spent time under center in 2017 was Kevin Hogan. He started the one game that Kizer didnā€™t play, starting against the Houston Texans in Week 6. That was his last appearance of the season with the Browns, but he did have a solid season. Over his last two games, Hogan was 36-for-56 passing with three touchdowns and four interceptions. Itā€™s unclear what, if any, future he has with the Browns. Key stats: 1 starts, 4 TD, 7 INT, 61.5 rating THIS LIST OMITS CASE KEENUM AND TYROD TAYLOR! ENOUGH SAID.
  9. Praying the deluge of sarcasm was comprehended, Tour.
  10. LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS FAULT. THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.
  11. This has to be our first statement win of the season boys. As crazy as it is to consider, our offense still has not been fully realized. And last week provided our defense with the ego and confidence they need to snack and sack. This should be interesting.
  12. Many had him as the top CB in the draft. Amazing value mid 2nd round. There's our defense. We need a LB or two for competition, but we are ready to boogie.
  13. Daaaaammmnn son šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ goddamn burnnnnn
  14. We have OBJ, Landry, and Calloway/Perriman/Higgins at WR. We have Nick Chubb and Kareem hunt at running back. We have a solid offensive line even without Zeitler. On defense, we have Ward and Damarious Randall in the secondary. We have Pro bowl Schobert at middle linebacker. Kirksey at OLB, formidable himself. We have the up and coming Gernard Avery who is a pass rush specialist at OLB as well. Our defensive line SO FAR into this young off season features newly acquired Pro Bowlers Sheldon Richardson and Olivier Vernon, at DT and DE respectively. Add them to our homegrown badasses Larry Ogunjobi and Myles fucking Garrett. Then we have Smith and Oghbah as subs. Your smoking drugs if you don't think were building a juggernaut. Oh and I forgot the best part, BAKER MOTHERFUCKING MAYFIELD.
  15. Your a fucking idiot. Do you even know the first thing about alcoholism or addiction? And wishing someone picks up heroin? That's some fucked up shit. Addiction is no fucking joke nor something to wish upon anyone. Lemme tell you something, towards the last couple years of my addiction when I was strung out on opiates I turned to the big H because it was much cheaper and easier to get than Oxycontin. That one drug tore my entire life apart in a matter of months. And to hear somebody wish that upon someone else makes me fucking sick. Keep your fat fucking mouth shut before wishing something on someone that you don't know a goddamn thing about. And FYI if Johnny is truely a addict/alcoholic, then he has a DISEASE,it is no different than cancer or diabetes and IMO its worse and much more lethal. Its not something to laugh about. Once someone crosses that invisible line into addiction, they are robbed of the luxury of choice. Their was a point in my life where I would have rather been dead than continue on with the hell I simply existed within. For all intents and purposes addicts deep in addiction are dead, we are shells of our real selves. Its really not a laughing matter at all. Its pretty sad how a large number of board members post about the topic of addiction in such a nonchalant manner like its something light hearted and funny. I will blame it on ignorance for now but damn does it make one realize how out of touch with compassion and reality most people are.
  16. Agreed. And no one knows an addict like another addict. I can know someobody for a few twenty four hours and can pretty quickly tell you if they do dope merely by their behaviors and mannerisms. And congrats to you as well. 3 years here in June.
  17. Its hard to tell if that is even Josh/Johnny in those pictures so I will hold my judgment on this particular instance. Aside from this, I think its time to acknowledge that at the bare minimum Josh at least has serious issues that extend way beyond football and just being a jackass in general. He cannot stop committing acts and compulsive behaviors that repeatedly jeapordize his livelihood and his future. In my opinion and drawing from personal experience, that is a major indicator of addiction and or alcoholism. He has a disease folks. He needs serious help. But only Josh truely knows the depths of his affliction and only Josh can do something about it. And quite frankly trashing him when most of you do not have a goddamn clue as to what the fuck you are talking about is ignorance in its purest form. Yes he is one hundred and ten percent in the wrong, but just like someone afflicted with cancer or diabetes, he is at the mercy of a mental, spiritual, and physical malady that requires serious attention and help.
  18. Let's get something straight: the only person who truely knows if he has a drug or alcohol problem is Johnny Foosball himself. I laugh at everyone trying to cast labels around as if that is going to make sense of the situation. I know first hand what it is to be a alcoholic/addict. From those experiences I can tell you that manziel certainly exhibits many of the same behaviors I did while I was out there getting it in. But the only one that truely knows is Johnny. Unfortunately, if he truely is a alcoholic and/or an addict, it's almost a certainty he will not stop until he reaches absolute rock bottom. Everything will burn, every bridge will be smashed, before he finally admits what he is. I know it took my reaching the deepest depths of despair within the living hell I had created before I finally got the help I needed. It's sad because, like most addicts, at heart he is probably a great person with a high IQ and potential. Our greatest hope is that he is simply a young kid going through a stage of hard drinking and idiotic decisions. That is something one can quickly recover from. Alcoholism and addiction on the other hand is another animal.
  19. Genius analysis Mudfly... Just genius.... Lol...
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