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Have to ask, what was the overall reaction when Jimmy rolled out the "Oranger Orange" uniforms?

Was it a total backlash? hated by 50% of fans? maybe only 20% of supporters? 

Look, I already know.. no one gives a two shits about soccer. But the Haslams just thrust a whole new rebrand on fans in Columbus and the reaction is universally negative. Have a look at the old and the left and new on the right...

The Haslams run absolutely great, FANTASTIC teams (Browns and Crew SC) but do they have ZERO sense of what fans want in the look of their teams? Really want to know your thoughts.

How many of you follow soccer?

How many call yourselves a supporter of the Haslam's team, Columbus Crew?

Why or why not?

On a scale of 1-10 how popular do you believe soccer or the Crew are in NE Ohio?

Seriously nice uniforms! A return to a classic feel with an elegantly modern touch on the font of the numbers and nameplate.

Still a hard "No" on the brown pants but overall a great design. This was the update they should have done 5 years ago instead of the monstrosities they created at the time.

All you need to see is the side-by-side comparison to other franchises that started around the same time the Browns did. There is a clear correlation between number of head coaches the Browns burned through and their winning percentage vs that of the Jags/Panthers/Texans and what they've accomplished. Cleveland is seriously falling behind it's counterparts.

I realize Freddie was a mistake but constantly firing head coaches isn't the solution to the Browns problems, it IS the problem!

Say what you will but sources (link start at 3:05) have reported guys like Urban Meyer and others are not interested in being the next head coach. Why would they be? The best coaches don't want to go to a job where they will not be given the time or resources to have a long and successful career. Even a team like the Raiders are a joke but if there was one thing that made John Gruden give up his cushy TV job it was the 10 year contract he was offered. Stability and longevity aren't words you typically associate with the Raiders, that's all changed now and it's starting the show.

On 12/30/2019 at 2:50 PM, The Gipper said:

A few  things:

A.  Bill Belichick was not fired as the coach of the Cleveland Browns franchise.  He was fired as coach of the Baltimore Modell  (unnamed as yet)  franchise.  That is a fact.

B.   The other guys you mention,  Noll, Walsh, Johnson.....had shit for talent on the rosters they inherited...and they had a big hand in bringing the talent and devolping it during the first few years of their existence.    It was clearly evident with those guys, that despite their losing records that they knew what they were doing.    The same is not true here. It has been clearly evident that the guys we have dumped deserved to be dumped...and they were not ultimately qualified.

C. You mention the vast minority of situations.   4 coaches in the last  50 years have accomplished what you claim.    That means hundreds have not.  Building a system is great....if you have the product to build that system with.....and that product comes around very rarely. Those guys are the vast exception to the rule...NOT the norm.  Do you want the names of those  100+ other coaches that didn't do a thing? 

A. You're right about Belichick. I was only including coaches from the current franchise, 1999 to present

B. Not every coach is a winner but it was clear Butch Davis and Romeo Crennel were building something. I know we're supposed to say they stunk as a general rule but longevity and their football IQ were showing promise.

C. You say building a system is great so long as you have the product to build with but you already mentioned Noll, Walsh, and Johnson had shit to work. Nevertheless they all powered through. Coaches need to be given more of a chance to build a system for a franchise.

These are just facts, do with them what you will...

This is my attempt to bring to light the glaring (and never discussed) problem that makes the Cleveland Browns the perennial butt of jokes. I'm going to compare the first 2 seasons of some legendary NFL coaches with Browns head coaches and the "churn and burn" mentality. Oh, and I'm only doing this from 1999 to present because this is a completely different franchise from the one that Modell stole from Cleveland back in the day. Sorry, not sorry.

The average tenure of a Cleveland Browns head coach is just 1.9 seasons (Please pause to let that sink in). Since that's nearly 2 full seasons I'll give the the records of other legendary head coaches' first 2 seasons to show why teams shouldn't give up on coaches so quickly. I'll also list their championship resume to really emphasize the point:

Bill Belichick:

• First 2 Seasons as Patriots HC: 5-11 in 2000, 11-5 in 2001
• 6 Super Bowl victories

Chuck Noll:

• First 2 Seasons as Steelers HC: 1-13 in 1969, 5-9 in 1970
• 4 Super Bowl victories

Bill Walsh:

• First 2 seasons as 49ers HC: 2-14 in 1979, 6-10 in 1980
• 3 Super Bowl victories

Jimmy Johnson:

• First 2 seasons as Cowboys HC: 1-15 in 1989, 7-9 in 1990
• 2 Super Bowl victories

You get the idea. Had these teams bailed on their head coaches after one season (like Cleveland so often does) the trophy cases in New England, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, and Dallas would look A LOT different today. Maybe this is an extreme comparison but my point is that these organizations didn't just stick with these guys, they actually f&@#ing build something that could last!!!

The point I'm trying to get across is the Browns need to stick with head coaches long enough to have a winning system and culture!

Still don't believe me?!? This will blow your mind . . . There have only been TWO Browns coaches that made it a full 3 seasons as the head coach. And ya know what they did in their third season? I'll tell ya what they did!! 9-7 record and playoff appearance in 2002, 10-6 record and nearly missed playoffs in 2007 (weird year). Are you sensing a theme yet?? New England has been doing this for 2 decades with great success, Pittsburgh has only had 3 coaches since mankind first walked on the moon they're alright.

Jimmy Haslam, if you're reading this (which I doubt) please, Please, PLEASE stick with a coach long enough to BUILD A SYSTEM, stop this endless rotation of quarterbacks and coordinators, and stop embarrassing Cleveland's football legacy.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk...