Erie Dawg

He took them to the playoffs 2 out of his first 3 years he played. 

13-3 his first year lost to Rodgers in the playoffs by a field goal. . And threw 4 picks that season.As a rookie. And he hasn't changed that???

97 qbr rating doesn't throw a ton of picks says it's more of a team issue than QB.

25 mil is what the going rate for a ring chasing old war horse QB Is, not a young first contract QB. 

Just so you know Mayfield will get a lot more than that, and he's not on the same level yet.

13 hours ago, ATOM said:

oh so that hack works in seattle now 

wonder why espn fired him ?

Couldn't afford him. ESPNs revenue is in the shitters and no one watches them anymore. Don't worry though Disney will save them,LoL!

13 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

Latest article...

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/browns-reportedly-not-on-watt-list

For those who still hold out hope there's plenty for you in the article.

Here is how I see this. It's odd that a number 15/17 mill is thrown out there  right now. I think the offers from the front runners were lower than expected and this came from a team that's not a contender. And this is put out to put pressure on the teams that are front runners. Could be wrong just a first reaction.

13 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

 

Hope you learned something from Unsym's reply this time. He's got to be getting tired of posting variations of the same explanation.

 

What was I supposed to learn? I think he was arguing more with himself than anyone. No one said break the bank. Get him at all costs. Most everyone's feelings were great if we can, no biggie if we can't. Unless I missed interpreted something.

I think I even said somewhere, if we do get him I'd grab an additional edge guy with the first pick.

Either one of the fellas out of the U. Would work for me.

6 hours ago, The Gipper said:

  

And, by the way, the Cowboys have not drafted a QB in the first round since 1989......when they took Troy Aikman.  How did that work out? 

Well since that first rounder retired they have as many winning seasons as loosing. A pitiful playoff record and 0 Superbowls. Romo was undrafted and was training camp foder for 3.5 years while they experimented with Drew bledsoe, Vinny Testeverde, Quincy Carter, and Drew Henson. In Typical Jerry fashion spend on has been free agents. So if being average since Aikman retired they nailed it.

In my opinion 37 mil for your QB puts every team in a bind. 

It is also the number that counts against the cap.   It is 20% of the team's cap...on a 53 man roster.  Its a huge chunk  of your budget.

??? Isn't that basically what I said, LoL???

 

He was not Top 10 in my opinion

I tend to rely on stats, and more, I guess professional opinions.

 Well...it is more a case of Wentz  falling way back than of Dak jumping him 

Lol, ok however you want to spin it forward is forward.

 

 

Top 10 probably.....and I have said numerous times, Dak ain't that. 

So if a QB isn't in the top10 you cut him and let him walk?  

What dollar figure is he worth 

Years and $ amount?

 

 

On 2/24/2021 at 11:23 AM, The Gipper said:

 

Actually, yes, Dallas may still win....because  they let some other team to overpay Dak and they don't have to.  Plus, they can take all the money they save on not paying Dak and put it into other parts or their team that desperately need help.....and they can go with Dalton/and eventual first round pick. 

Oh yes, the if we suck we will instantly be great because we drafted a high first round QB delusion. Lol. Again you being a browns fan should know better. And if you swing and miss with the pick then what? Try and try again. 

 

They can tag and pay him if they want...they just have to pay him all that money that perhaps could be better spent elsewhere.  And IMO  37 million is IMO  way above his market value. (again....if he hits free agency...what other team is going to pay him that?  Others may want him...but not at that price).  As far as  "franchise QB"....is the 14th or 15th best QB in the NFL a "franchise" QB?  Only if you define "franchise QB"  as an "unchallenged starter for his team".

In my opinion 37 mil for your QB puts every team in a bind. That's is just the allocation for the tag. Also remember the dollar amount for highest paid QB seems to go up yearly. Now it's at 45 mill / year.  Now look at what the top 10 make and where the money is for his slot.

Just because you say 14-15 best QB doesn't mean it's so. That's your rating that's gone from 15-20 to 10-15 now dialed in at 14-15. Going into last year he was in the top 10 behind Wentz. Knowing more about Wentz he jumped him Imo. What  is the ranking in which you feel constitutes a franchise QB? 

Looks like a ton of close games that easily could of made them a 8-8 team this year. They got figured out at the end of the year and teams to advantage.

7 hours ago, hoorta said:

He's good- but $37 million good? Tagging him really doesn't make financial sense, but we're talking Jerrah World here. 

Yeah that's the point of the conversation. Cowboys can't afford it. 

15 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

No on
Ryan, Tannehill, Burrow, Goff, Cousins, Carr, Herbert, Stafford or Jimmy G. 
 

Yes on the remaining.
 

Puts him just inside of the Top 10. 
 

I'd take him over Ben and close on Mayfield. I watched Allen put up some good throws and make some dumb plays as well.

18 hours ago, The Gipper said:

 

Ignoring the guys that were traded:  Cam has been a better QB in the past certainly. Could he be again?  And IMO, both Darnold and Trubisky are equal or better talents.  Yes, that's right. They just have not had a chance to show it in that they have had nowhere near the same kind of talented weapons that Dak has had. 

 Lol if cam was so great why isn't he in Carolina still and on his way out of NE?  Turbisky was benched how many times last year? If he was so great why'd they bench him? Darnold is just another USC over hyped QB.  That hasn't proven any thing other than he can throw just as many TD as int.

 

Sure...but they still control that situation.

Ok? If you feel that is somehow a win. Because if he walks and makes more who won. Not cash strapped Dallas.

If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well. 

 

The word is Lose, not loose.   And yes...they lose him.  That is the whole point, they lose a guy that they would have to pay 37 million dollars to who they DON"T want to pay that kind of money to. (or...have no business paying that kind of money to) .  Sayonara sucker.   Now...if he would agree to sign for maybe 25 million....they could keep him.   Even if any of you think Dak is in the Top 10-15 QBs in the league...he sure as hell is not in the top 3 QBs in the league....and that is what he would be paid like if they tagged him and paid him the 37 million. 

What ever the word is Jerry backed himself into the corner by either tagging him which they can't or paying him what his market value is which they may not be able to. But it's hard to let a franchise QB walk out the door. Which may happen if there are better offers out there.

2 hours ago, The Gipper said:

 

 

I was including the guys that have been on the trade block.  We have seen  Goff, Stafford, Wentz traded so far.  Watson wants out.  Cam Newton is  out there.  Trubisky.  There is discussion about several others as well as potential trades/cuts:   Darnold, Bridgewater. Tua. Maybe a few others.  Plus, you have 4-5 possible first round picks who have to be included in the mix.  So, yea...12-15 potential QBs to fill spots.  That's a comparative "glut". 

None of them are even close to the same level including the potential 1st Rd pick this year. If you were a team like the Jag's or jets. I'd take a hard look at Dak and draft top level playmakers to surround him. I'm really not sold on the incoming QB class.

 

 

Not exactly.  If  Dallas exercises the tag....they control his destiny.   Yes but He gets paid 37 mil. Guaranteed for the year.

If they don't and let him go to free agency...then they control that as well. 

I don't see how the cowboys have any control if he takes a better offer.? 

He would control his own destiny then...ONLY to the point that someone else may also have an interest in him.   He can't just go where he wants, because  most of the league would have no interest in him as a FA.  He can't go to Seattle if he wants.  Or the Rams or Chargers or Cardinals, nor the Packers, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Titans....or many other teams.   He will have the choice perhaps of just a very few really:  those who want him and can afford him.   That eliminates probably  3/4ths of the  league....which would mean that maybe he would have at most  8 teams interested. Including maybe Dallas on a reduced deal. 

And we as Browns fans know the value in a Franchise QB and so does every other franchise. It's not like they are everywhere. And If there is interest from 8 other teams the cowboys could loose him if they don't play ball. 

19 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

And they may not have long term obligations with guys like Ward, Bitonio, Tretter, OBJ, and Chubb.  As unpopular as some of those moves would be it could be our impending reality. 
 

We aren’t in bad spot at all.  We don’t have a roster riddled with bad contracts.

But you see where this is headed it doesn’t take an advanced level of cap knowledge to see that.

1. We are locked in Garrett

2. We may be locked into Baker (big cap number coming soon) 

So two biggies and then you get frugal and you hopefully amass some draft capital to fill needs cheaply (doing that well this season - got 9 picks).

We have two years IMO until the reality of two large contracts and role players set in so peddle to floor would be my approach for 21 and 22.  
 

This year you have some restructure candidates, trade candidates and cut candidates not many though that can create space to get a little better and maybe that little better we overtake Baltimore, Buffalo and KC.  What additions make our personnel groups better to take on those teams. 

Now is the time my friends   

Yep I agree. If they can make it happen great.

We don't have to worry about Baker yet and can tag him for a year if needed.

Unfortunately NFL salary crap structures are not as simple as that. They can restructure and create cap space if they feel the need and currently we are sitting better than the rest of the rumored teams to be interested in watt.

And I can guarantee I have absolutely hundreds and hundreds of less hours invested in research into the cap. Honestly  don't care.It's an utter waste of time, there is more important things to do than to invest time into something you have no control over. If we get him awesome if we don't oh well. 

But as far as crunching goes we ain't that far off if we want to get him. Crunching numbers to me would be if we were in the negative or only plus a mill or two. Then we would be not having conversations of signing anyone.

I don't see why not. The Steelers are going to be battling it out with the Bengals for last place this year. With some overdue luck and a solid draft this year The browns could be set up for the long term.

10 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Under my scenario,  YES, I want him to hit free agency.

Honestly:   Do any of you think that if he "hits" free agency and is on the open market that he is really going to get offers approaching  37 million dollars? 

Who knows stranger things have happened. Some team could step up and give a more team-friendly first year or two incentive-based and back load the rest of the contract.

 

 

Given the potential glut of QBs available....given the  contracted salary cap,  who is going to come close to offering him that? 

I don't know who you are referring to when you say potential glut of quarterbacks.If you're looking at the current list of free agents right now DAk is number one by far on that list.

 

  What team out there  would be able.....(cap wise)  and willing to give him that kind of money?   I can think of only  4 teams that could have some interest:    Washington, New England, Denver, Carolina....... and a couple of those would have to do some major cap maneuvering....and still I could see them only  offering something maybe 10 million less than what he wants. 

Yes in hindsight he should have probably signed for the 33-mil per year. But I don't think anybody knew that there was going to be a "pandemic" or that he was going to get hurt. And given the current situation of the salary cap being lower doesn't help his market. But nonetheless he controls his destiny.

 

11 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

You have to unless you want him to hit free agency.  Running out of time at this point.

 

 

Dak is in the driver's seat. Cowboys can't afford that unless they start dumping and cutting players. Jerry has to take his best swing at this. There are others teams that will outbid the cowboys if he doesn't.

2 hours ago, SdBacker80 said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

 

I have to vehemently disagree with you on the 15-20 QB league wide ranking.  The numbers in the link suggest otherwise. 
 

You bring up Andy D but how did he do this year in Dallas? 

You franchise him and work toward something  long term unless you find a plan B equal to him that doesn’t cost as much considering assets you have to give up and salary you need to pay.  Do you have any ideas on that replacement guy?  I don’t.  Perspective Wentz just cost the Colts two premium picks. 

Hindsight, probably would have been better to extend him before the tags came.   Keep in mind  his rookie deal was peanuts given his draft spot. 

I made silly statement on this forum after he got injured.  I said given the injury Dallas now holds all the chips.  Well I was wrong.  Here we are and I think Dak is in control. 

I don't think you're going to see Dallas franchise tag him That's a  37.7 million dollar hit this year if they do.

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

1. No
2. No
3. LMAO...

Stop it!

Miller is due to make $22mm. What part of Cap crunch do you knot understand besides all of it?

Knot? Or not or don't? This is the first time that I've heard the browns are in a cap crunch.

Blind and can't spell.

Seems like the Biden administration has dropped the ball on this. No water, no electricity, people can't get to warming shelters.

Don't see him taking that big of a pay cut. It makes no sense in keeping him for another year when they have to sign the younger talent for the future. He isn't worth it at this point.

His last game is a big L to the browns.

8 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Update scoreboard.   Wentz trade means, I assume Hurts is the man in Philly? 

Yes. Especially since they brought in his old QB coach for him.

Now the rumors of Von Miller being possibly in play are interesting. I'd take either one.

Another starting QB for Michigan transfers.

8 QB's in 7 years.

What a joke. Glad harbaugh stayed though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.com/wolverines/2021/02/whats-being-said-nationally-about-michigan-qb-joe-milton-entering-transfer-portal.html%3foutputType=amp

Sign him for two or three years and draft a young buck in the first round to give him breathers on the sideline in between plays.

And I'm sure all the network partners are aware and letting the NFL know that NFL viewership and attendance has been in decline especially since all this virtue signaling. I'm sure they're not just going to take whatever the NFL says is the price.