b86b Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Sorry man....you don't know what you are talking about. On which part? Watched every Gator game over the last 7-8 years and Chris Leak had a very weak arm and he was a terrible QB.. Watching the Vols game this year you could see that Tebow could not read a NFL style defense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownieFromQC Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 From Rotoworld: Long-time NFL coach and quarterback guru Sam Wyche is willing to put his reputation on the line that Tim Tebow will be an elite QB at the NFL level. "If this guy can't be a starting quarterback in the NFL, then I was in the wrong profession for a lot of years," said Wyche, who has coached Joe Montana and Boomer Esiason among others. Though Wyche's eccentricities once earned him the nickname "Wicky Wacky," he's long been appreciated for open-mindedness and creativity. It's refreshing to hear a positive Tebow outlook from a respected offensive mind. Interesting. With a lot of experts saying that there's nothing worth an early pick outside Clausen and Bradford, I would be all for gambling on a guy like Tebow, who could rewards the Browns a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 In Tebow's case, as with all players......We'll see. IMHO, the kid is a winner & he'll do whatever is required to be a winner in the NFL. You can't coach attitude & pride....his are off the charts on the positive end. Mike Hundreds and hundreds of college players had attitude and pride, but they still didn't get drafted, or got cut or whatever because they just weren't good enough. Most knowledgeable scouts who get paid to evaluate these things don't give Tebow much of a chance. Now, they are occasionally wrong. Tony Romo went undrafted, as did Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady was only picked in the 6th round, but, overall, these guys do a pretty decent job of talent evaluation. It seems like they are more likely to overrate a QB than underrate them. Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 tebow will find a niche in the league, that i'm sure. It's been said here a little bit, but i've heard from reporters, scouts and what we know to be true about Tebow is that he'll work his ass off to be the best player he can be. In some respects, I'd rather have a guy who I know is going to come to the field every day striving to get better with perhaps less football tools than a premadonna with a bunch of talent but is lazy. From the work ethic football standpoint, he's probably the best QB in the draft (maybe) haha. With that being said, even despite his new delivery I wouldn't take him before late 3rd or 4th. I'd almost bet right now though that the Jags take him with their 2nd round pick. IF he falls that far and we take him, I wouldn't be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Bottom line: All we care about is what the Browns should do. If Tebow is there in the 5th round or beyond, I wouldn't mind much if they used one of their 11 picks on him at that point. Take a flyer, why not. Does anyone disagree with this possible approach? Does anyone think we should invest a high pick on him? Does anyone think we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot Lithuanian, err, I mean a 10 foot Pole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Hundreds and hundreds of college players had attitude and pride, but they still didn't get drafted, or got cut or whatever because they just weren't good enough. Most knowledgeable scouts who get paid to evaluate these things don't give Tebow much of a chance. Now, they are occasionally wrong. Tony Romo went undrafted, as did Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady was only picked in the 6th round, but, overall, these guys do a pretty decent job of talent evaluation. It seems like they are more likely to overrate a QB than underrate them. Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL. This is where I used to take umbrage with our former 20,000 post QB guru who claimed "drafting is so much better than it was 20 years ago & every highly touted qb coming out in the draft is a sure-fire franchise qb. " BS. In answer to you other post, if Pike, LeVevour, and Tebow are all there in the third round- I take a flyer on one of them, and I really have no preference which- I'll leave that up to Holmgren. If I'm the Browns, I don't go qb shopping before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 [ Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL[/color]. As I documented in another thread, there are only 3 teams in the NFL that are starting a QB that that team drafted that was taken below the first round. The following are all the QBs that have been selected in the first round since the 1999 season, by franchise: Arizona: Matt Leinert Atlanta: Michael Vick, Matt Ryan Baltimore: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco Buffalo: J.P. Losman Chicago: Cade McKnown, Rex Grossman Cincy: Akili Smith, Carson Palmer Cleveland: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn Denver: Jay Cutler Detroit: Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers Houston: David Carr Jacksonville: Byron Leftwich Minnesota: Dante Culpepper NY Giants: Eli Manning NY Jets: Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez Oakland: JaMarcus Russell Philly: Donovan McNabb Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger San Diego: Philip Rivers San Fran: Alex Smith Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman Tennessee: Vince Young Washington: Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell. My question is: who of these do you think are true busts? What percent of 1st round QBs turn out busts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 [ Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL[/color]. As I documented in another thread, there are only 3 teams in the NFL that are starting a QB that that team drafted that was taken below the first round. The following are all the QBs that have been selected in the first round since the 1999 season, by franchise: I will answer my own questions by highlighting those I think are true busts. Some that are not highlighted may mean that it is too early to judge, not that they have met with success: Arizona: Matt Leinert Atlanta: Michael Vick, Matt Ryan Baltimore: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco Buffalo: J.P. Losman Chicago: Cade McKnown, Rex Grossman Cincy: Akili Smith, Carson Palmer Cleveland: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn Denver: Jay Cutler Detroit: Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers Houston: David Carr Jacksonville: Byron Leftwich Minnesota: Dante Culpepper NY Giants: Eli Manning NY Jets: Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez Oakland: JaMarcus Russell Philly: Donovan McNabb Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger San Diego: Philip Rivers San Fran: Alex Smith Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman Tennessee: Vince Young Washington: Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell. My question is: who of these do you think are true busts? What percent of 1st round QBs turn out busts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Bottom line: All we care about is what the Browns should do. If Tebow is there in the 5th round or beyond, I wouldn't mind much if they used one of their 11 picks on him at that point. Take a flyer, why not. Does anyone disagree with this possible approach? Does anyone think we should invest a high pick on him? Does anyone think we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot Lithuanian, err, I mean a 10 foot Pole? WE SHOULD TRADE UP TO THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND GRAB HIM! Seriously, though, I'd take a shot at him in the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 wonder if espn will have to set up the ole 'cryin room' like they did for quinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 WE SHOULD TRADE UP TO THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND GRAB HIM! Seriously, though, I'd take a shot at him in the third. I would take him with our 2nd round pick as it stands now. But, I will wait for combine and pro day results to make a final call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 wonder if espn will have to set up the ole 'cryin room' like they did for quinn? Probably not. I doubt Tim would go to that....and seeing everyones opinion of his ability, why would he even be invited? The NFL doesn't invite every 7th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I would take him with our 2nd round pick as it stands now. But, I will wait for combine and pro day results to make a final call. I wouldn't touch him in the second round with a 12 foot Ukrainian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I wouldn't touch him in the second round with a 12 foot Ukrainian. with no teeth drinking popov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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