Obama admin sells Americans who fish

[calfoxwc]

Even taking over all water?

Selling America out for special progressive

"environmental" groups votes?

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Public input period for federal fishery strategy has ended

 

By Robert Montgomery

ESPNOutdoors.com

The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing some of the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

 

AP/Luis M. AlvarezOne sign at the United We Fish rally at the Capital summed up the feelings of recreational and commercial fishermen. This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

 

That's a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning.

 

"When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.

 

"Now we see NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the administration planning the future of recreational fishing access in America based on a similar agenda of these same groups and other Big Green anti-use organizations, through an Executive Order by the President. The current U.S. direction with fishing is a direct parallel to what happened in Canada with hunting: The negative economic impacts on hard working American families and small businesses are being ignored.

 

"In spite of what we hear daily in the press about the President's concern for jobs and the economy and contrary to what he stated in the June order creating this process, we have seen no evidence from NOAA or the task force that recreational fishing and related jobs are receiving any priority."

 

 

 

 

Consequently, unless anglers speak up and convince their Congressional representatives to stop this bureaucratic freight train, it appears that the task force will issue a final report for "marine spatial planning" by late March, with President Barack Obama then issuing an Executive Order to implement its recommendations — whatever they may be.

 

Led by NOAA's Jane Lubchenco, the task force has shown no overt dislike of recreational angling, but its indifference to the economic, social and biological value of the sport has been deafening.

 

Additionally, Lubchenco and others in the administration have close ties to environmental groups who would like nothing better than to ban recreational angling. And evidence suggests that these organizations have been the engine behind the task force since before Obama issued a memo creating it last June.

 

As ESPN previously reported, WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and others produced a document entitled "Transition Green" shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. What has happened since suggests that the task force has been in lockstep with that position paper.

 

Then in late summer, just after he created the task force, these groups produced "Recommendations for the Adoption and Implementation of an Oceans, Coasts, and Great Lakes National Policy." This document makes repeated references to "overfishing," but doesn't once reference recreational angling, its importance, and its benefits, both to participants and the resource.

 

Additionally, some of these same organizations have revealed their anti-fishing bias by playing fast and loose with "facts," in attempts to ban tackle containing lead in the United States and Canada.

 

That same tunnel vision, in which recreational angling and commercial fishing are indiscriminately lumped together as harmful to the resource, has persisted with the task force, despite protests by the angling industry.

 

As more evidence of collusion, the green groups began clamoring for an Executive Order to implement the task force's recommendations even before the public comment period ended in February. Fishing advocates had no idea that this was coming.

 

Perhaps not so coincidentally, the New York Times reported on Feb. 12 that "President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities."

 

Morlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.

 

"Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."

 

In the wake of the task force's framework document, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF) and its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition against voiced their concerns to the administration.

 

"Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

 

Morlock, a member of the CSF board, added, "There are over one million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The task force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies.

 

"Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

 

This is not the only access issue threatening the public's right to fish, but it definitely is the most serious, according to Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS.

 

"With what's being created, the same principles could apply inland as apply to the oceans," he said. "Under the guise of 'marine spatial planning' entire watersheds could be shut down, even 2,000 miles up a river drainage from the ocean.

 

"Every angler needs to be aware because if it's not happening in your backyard today or tomorrow, it will be eventually.

 

"We have one of the largest voting blocks in the country and we need to use it. We must not sit idly by."

[calfoxwc]

Fishermen’s fear: Public's 'right to fish' shifting under Obama?

 

By Patrik Jonsson Patrik Jonsson – Tue Mar 9, 6:17 pm ET

 

Atlanta

 

The Obama administration has proposed using United Nations-guided principles to expand a type of zoning to coastal and even some inland waters. That’s raising concerns among fishermen that their favorite fishing holes may soon be off-limits for bait-casting. In the battle of incremental change that epitomizes the American conservation movement, many weekend anglers fear that the Obama administration’s promise to “fundamentally change” water management in the US will erode what they call the public’s “right to fish,” in turn creating economic losses for the $82 billion recreational fishing industry and a further deterioration of the American outdoorsman’s legacy. Proponents say the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force established by President Obama last June will ultimately benefit the fishing public by managing ecosystems in their entirety rather than by individual uses such as fishing, shipping, or oil exploration. “It’s not an environmentalist manifesto,” says Larry Crowder, a marine biologist at Duke University in North Carolina. “It’s multiple-use planning for the environment, and making sure various uses … are sustainable.” (Amateur outdoorsmen have been fighting for their rights for years, as the Monitor reports here.)

 

New way to manage marine resourcesFaced with the prospect of further industrialization along America's coasts and the Great Lakes (wind turbines and natural-gas exploration, for example), the task force is charged with putting in place a new ecosystem management process called marine spatial planning. Marine spatial planning (MSP), according to the United Nations, is “a public process of analyzing and allocating the spatial and temporal distribution of human activities in marine areas to achieve ecological, economic, and social objectives that usually have been specified through a political process." That kind of government-speak scares Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs at the reel-and-rod maker Shimano. Mr. Morlock points to references by the ocean task force to “one global sea” as evidence that what’s really being proposed are broad changes to America's user-funded conservation strategy, potentially affecting even inland waters. “I suggest that the task force recommend our model to the United Nations rather than us adopting the United Nations model,” he says in a phone interview. “The American model is the best in the world, so our question is: Why seek the lowest common denominator?”

 

Protections for recreational fishermenMr. Obama has said he will not override protections put in place by Presidents Clinton and Bush that established recreational fishermen as a special class.

 

But critics still worry about the Obama administration’s ties to environmental groups that espouse “anti-use” policies that put some habitats out of reach even for rod and reel fishermen, who take only 3 percent of America’s landed catch every year. “Angling advocates point out that senior policy officials on the task force seem inclined to ally themselves with preservationists and environmental extremists who want to create ‘no fishing’ preserves, with no scientific justification,” writes ESPN.com’s Robert Montgomery. On the other hand, nonpartisan experts say the task force has already made strides in better recognizing various stakeholder groups, including recreational fishermen, and that it doesn’t intend to undermine the ability of states to manage their natural resources, as many fishermen fear. “There’s been huge progress by the task force in terms of being more inclusive in thinking about economic, ecological, social, and political concerns,” says Mr. Crowder at Duke. “The paranoia – and there is paranoia on all sides – is that the process will be captured. My hope is that mutual concern gets people to the table.” The final report of the task force is expected in late March. Congress will decide its fate, unless Obama issues an executive order establishing MSP as the law of the water.

[calfoxwc]

Establishing control of everything.

 

and anything.

 

That's the only way for a socialist government to

 

survive for any length of time.

 

And, naturally, a civilian security force will be required

 

to control and inform on people who get upset about it, and rebel against it.

 

which, is a lot of people.

[Mr. T]

Nothing suprises me with Obama anymore. If he proceeds to go forward with it I forsee a much larger backlash come election day in November.

 

Many are already getting PO'd over all of the garbage that is been thrown upon the people from those who have set themselves up as hierarchy in DC.

 

I can see it now, Jamal and Tweeter 2 city slickers with the Obama civilian security force go tromping around someones farm pond trying to catch farmer Joe using live bait. Farmer Joe In fear of losing his farm over doing something he has enjoyed doing every warm summer day in the past makes sure ole Jamal and Tweeter are never seen or heard from again.

 

In any shape or form this is not good for anyone.

 

What is Obama's motives behind these types of policies?

[calfoxwc]

Control.

 

eeking and slithering into every possible crack of American life he can take over.

 

If you are a corrupt, Napoleonic idealogue, like a Fidel, or Mao, or Chavez, or Che, or Stalin...

 

you will set the stage to have so much power... you don't have to give it up come election time.

 

But he will control the eletions, too. The ACORN and SEIU frauds are just the tip of the spear heading our way.

 

But let the United States Supreme Court rule like he didn't want them to...

 

and he will embarrass, initiate and encourage the harrassment of them, belittle them in public..

 

to actually try to intimidate the Court.

 

Obamao is now our Seleya, and Obamao knows he has to diminish the respect for our Supreme Court,

 

because later, the Supreme Court will be his worst enemy.

 

Very worrisome. But you know, the next thing after the fishing? Hunting. And guns.

 

THEN after they take the guns, natually they will have to have a "civilian security force".

 

Anyone who has studied history, watched history, ... sees what Obamao and the left is attempting.

 

A slow, step by step takeover of... us.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Nurse!

[calfoxwc]

Once again, you are a coward, Heck.

 

You and your fellow progressives make a joke of everything.

 

So much for your big lie about wanting to have

 

"serious conversations".

 

The post that initiated this thread is very real, very genuine.

 

It's sad to see anyone so dishonest that they try to minimalize

 

every single thing Obamao and the leftists are trying to put into place.

 

How long until you admit that Obamao has completely overstepped his legal

 

authority to rule as president?

 

So much like a member of the Manson "family" you are.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Cal, to read a post like the one above, and then come back and claim that you're trying to have a "serious conversation" is about the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

 

You can't have a serious conversation with you. That's the point. You're incapable of seriousness.

 

As for this fishing story, you're 100% percent wrong, as always. This story isn't true, everyone is laughing at it, and yet it was picked up by the right-wing noise machine, and so you believed it. You're a willing victim.

 

Obama is not trying to ban fishing. Try to relax and go about your day.

 

You are a parody of a right-wing nutcase who believes everything he's told, and yet you're real.

[calfoxwc]

No, you haven't proven a thing. Your Mr. Jellybean opinions (we don't want to know where you are storing them now)

 

were not substantiated by any substance whatsoever.

 

Anyone on the board can read what I said:

 

"So much for your big lie about wanting to have

 

"serious conversations"."

Now, analyze that, cowardly lyin. I didn't say I wanted to have serious conversations, I said

 

you smart off, say stupid stuff, despite the fact that YOU ALL wanted "serious conversations"

 

Yeah, the wh denies it. Sure, the plan doesn't say fishermen can't fish.

 

But, it opens the door to the possibility, it is not limited to only the Great Lakes.

 

It does not explicitly exclude inland waters.

 

Just another embarrassing for you leftist idea to control every freakin thing.

 

Like with Health Care bills in Congress. They don't want to help those in need.

 

They insist on opening the door to federally funded abortion.

 

Grow up a little, and think if you are still allowed by whatever leftist website has their fingers up

 

your nose -

 

Several Dems are refusing to vote for the hc bill, because it allows for federally funded abortion.

 

The wh denies it. but, some very prominent attornies say, it most certainly does.

 

People left here because they were tired of not being able to control everything. Good riddance to several of them.

 

Look at who starts threads around here. It isn't you, hardly ever. You just want to ridicule and argue,

 

and see if you can twerp Steve into never disagreeing with you. You gave up on a few others of us.

 

If anybody wants me to stop posting stuff, I can stop that in a New York second. But, not for you and any other

 

leftist coward.

 

You all left because you couldn't use this forum to play community organizer/subject and opinion dominator.

 

You lose. Every single other person, whether they are full of baloney, like me @@, can legitmately back up

 

why they think what they think.

 

you never do. I don't believe you ever have.

 

You and your ilk couldn't take differing opinions.

 

But, during eight years of the Bush admin, you certainly enjoyed the freedom to bitch and moan and exaggerate.

 

NOW? You don't want to allow bitching and moaning.

 

Not going to happen.

 

The joke is on you, Mr. Jellybean

 

"poof poof"

[heckofajobbrownie]

Nurse! Hurry!

 

[medicineman]

Sad to say nothing Cal said is a laughing matter. People just sit back and say Obama is doing a great job because most of the mtv generation are telling us that. And unless you open your eyes and ears you wont know any better. Obama has got to go and take that idiot Hillary Clinton with him.

[heckofajobbrownie]

You should be laughing. There's nothing to this story. Nor is managing fish stocks something the Obama administration just invented.

 

There isn't even a bill on this subject yet. But that doesn't keep the nuts from warning us that Obama wants to ban fishing because he's like Mao and Fidel, and that bans on hunting and guns are next, followed by controlling the elections.

 

This is the stuff of crackpots. It's a sign that someone has lost any contact with reality. Count yourself among them if you wish.

[Mr. T]

You dont need a bill when you can use executive orders.

[heckofajobbrownie]

But the task force is designed to provide recommendations for legislation. That's what's coming in March.

 

Or as the nuts would have you believe, Obama's already decided to ban fishing, and he'll issue an executive order to do it.

 

Does it ever occur to you that you're upset about things that haven't happened yet and aren't going to happen?

 

Obviously not.

 

[calfoxwc]

Trends. Historical trends are very, very, very similar to trends historically.

 

And, historically, there were deniers and collaborators.

 

Until the very end, and they hid their eyes.

 

It isn't just us, Mr. jellybean. It's more than half of America -

 

Democrats, Independents, Republicans...

 

they know something is wrong. What they thought "hope and change" was....

 

it wasn't.

 

Trends of what the leftists and Obamao are doing, and talking about trying to do.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Please, please, please get out in front of a camera and say things things.

[calfoxwc]

No need to.

 

Obamao has been found out to be a liar, a principle-lacking manipulator,

 

and a buffoon as pres.

 

Go look at plummeting approval ratings.

 

You go get in front of a camera and tell millions of people

 

that Obamao is doing a wonderful job and has never lied.

[sisky fringo]

You should be laughing. There's nothing to this story. Nor is managing fish stocks something the Obama administration just invented.

 

There isn't even a bill on this subject yet. But that doesn't keep the nuts from warning us that Obama wants to ban fishing because he's like Mao and Fidel, and that bans on hunting and guns are next, followed by controlling the elections.

 

This is the stuff of crackpots. It's a sign that someone has lost any contact with reality. Count yourself among them if you wish.

so controlling the elections comes after all that other stuff?

 

considering that's been a mainstay for decades i'd say your order is a bit off heck.

 

and Cal, it's Obama's role to distract and take all the heat and finger-pointing, while he satiates the impoverished with a mirage of hope.

 

try to see past him to the real enemy>>>directing angst at him is according to plan bro.

[calfoxwc]

so controlling the elections comes after all that other stuff?

 

considering that's been a mainstay for decades i'd say your order is a bit off heck.

 

and Cal, it's Obama's role to distract and take all the heat and finger-pointing, while he satiates the impoverished with a mirage of hope.

 

try to see past him to the real enemy>>>directing angst at him is according to plan bro. Sisky

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I can see that very well. Excellent point !

Obama IS like a two-faced, belligerent puppet. Nice to

 

have you stop by !