DON'T TREAD ON US, UNAmerican "Pres Obama"

[shoot]

They better start challenging that blatantly unconstitutional auto insurance mandate too.

[Mr. T]

The list of states ready to challenge is growing as we type.....some estimates put it as high as 38 ready to challenge the constitutional merits of this bill.

 

 

The answer is Texas, and why is Texas so important?

[hoorta]

They better start challenging that blatantly unconstitutional auto insurance mandate too.

 

Hey, great idea! Let's have the Feds subsidize auto insurance for those that can't afford it! Maybe even buy you a new car- whoops, they aready gave everyone with a clunker thou$$ands to get rid of it to help out poor old GM.

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

Better idea - let's have the feds not subsidize health insurance for those who can't afford it, and then they can just not have it and keep showing up at emergency rooms when they get sick or injured and get treated in the most costly and inefficient way, and then we let the people who pay for insurance pick up the tab?

 

That was working out awesome!

 

[Kosar_For_President]

They better start challenging that blatantly unconstitutional auto insurance mandate too.

 

To be honest Shoot, owning a car is a privilege brought on by expansion and urban sprawl.

[calfoxwc]

hi Tupa

 

 

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ROF,L ! I don't even know why, except I hadn't expect Tupa et all to all of a sudden chip in.

 

 

I lose more keyboards that way. dammit.

 

ROF,L !

[ballpeen]

The answer is Texas, and why is Texas so important?

 

I don't know....why??

 

 

 

 

[Mr. T]

I don't know....why??

 

 

Texas can leave the union if it wants to

 

"Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that," Perry said. "My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But

if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people,

who knows what may come of that

."

 

 

Link HERE

 

[hoorta]

Better idea - let's have the feds not subsidize health insurance for those who can't afford it, and then they can just not have it and keep showing up at emergency rooms when they get sick or injured and get treated in the most costly and inefficient way, and then we let the people who pay for insurance pick up the tab?

 

That was working out awesome!

 

It wasn't working out? Really? LOL, it's going to be SO much better with the Feds running the show. Doubtful. Just more of Uncle Sam playing Robin Hood, instead of the insurance companies. The affluent in this country just took a 1% pay cut. When the AARP generation gets wind a significant portion of the funding for this plan is coming out of Medicare, there's going to be hell to pay at the polls come November. You cut doctor's Medicare reimbursement, you don't need a crystal ball to predict the top docs will just refuse to see Medicare patients. That part of the funding is dead as a mackerel by the end of the year.

 

FWIW, even with National Healthcare Insurance or not- a fair percentage of the people you just described are going to show up at the Emergency room whenever they damn well feel like it. You can't legislate away stupidity. 30 years experince working in an inner city hospital tells me so. There was a free clinic 500 feet from the ER, and put on your thinking cap where the people showed up at? Hey no waiting.

 

And this "revenue neutral" stuff Obama managed to conjure up is just that- pure government crackpipe thinking. If you could guarantee me there will be no reduction in services, reduction in quality of services (see above), or tax increases there's strike one, it's already written into the bill, I might think about supporting this joke.

 

[Kosar_For_President]

Why do I find T loving some Bush? And not in the good way............

 

[Mr. T]

[Westside Steve]

Better idea - let's have the feds not subsidize health insurance for those who can't afford it, and then they can just not have it and keep showing up at emergency rooms when they get sick or injured and get treated in the most costly and inefficient way, and then we let the people who pay for insurance pick up the tab?

 

That was working out awesome!

 

But there will be problems aheas when Obama rams through the illegals amnesty bill and there are anouther 15 million lined up at the ER behind the new Medicaid recipients.

 

 

Seriously Heck how much do you think it actually costs for uninsured who seek regular treatment at the ER?

And how many of them do you suppose would purchase even a subsidized plan?

 

WSS

[Chicopee John]

Seriously Heck how much do you think it actually costs for uninsured who seek regular treatment at the ER?

And how many of them do you suppose would purchase even a subsidized plan?WSS[/b]

 

Good on paper - let's assume the bill is good for the moment - doesn't necessarily equate with good on execution. We all know that - have seen many, many examples over the years.

 

Somebody uninsured shows up at the doctor's office - I mean emergency room. Does the hospital call the police? Refuse care because the person is uninsured?

 

It is nice to say that the person will be fined but collecting the fine is another story. Does the person work - if so is it legal to garnish wages?

 

You see where I am going with this.

 

[Westside Steve]

Good on paper - let's assume the bill is good for the moment - doesn't necessarily equate with good on execution. We all know that - have seen many, many examples over the years.

 

Somebody uninsured shows up at the doctor's office - I mean emergency room. Does the hospital call the police? Refuse care because the person is uninsured?

 

It is nice to say that the person will be fined but collecting the fine is another story. Does the person work - if so is it legal to garnish wages?

 

You see where I am going with this.

 

Sure.

I'd say

1 the cost of this is relatively minor.

2 those who regularly do this are often underground (homeless, illegals etc) and wouldn't be enrolled in a program anyway.

 

The president has flatly stated that the practice would continue.

No one will be denied treatment.

 

I also wonder how we will enforce the coverage requirement.

 

With auto ins you just tell the license bureao you have it.

You don't get get noticed until you get stopped.

WSS

[Mr. T]

Good on paper - let's assume the bill is good for the moment - doesn't necessarily equate with good on execution. We all know that - have seen many, many examples over the years.

 

Somebody uninsured shows up at the doctor's office - I mean emergency room. Does the hospital call the police? Refuse care because the person is uninsured?

 

It is nice to say that the person will be fined but collecting the fine is another story. Does the person work - if so is it legal to garnish wages?

 

You see where I am going with this.

 

We are going to have 16,000 new cops at the IRS to make sure everyone complies, and the IRS can garnish wages without having to go through the courts to get a judgement. But from what I understand they will only be taking money that you would be fined for not having health insurance that meets the requirements of the health care czar.

[hoorta]

Good on paper - let's assume the bill is good for the moment - doesn't necessarily equate with good on execution. We all know that - have seen many, many examples over the years.

 

Somebody uninsured shows up at the doctor's office - I mean emergency room. Does the hospital call the police? Refuse care because the person is uninsured?

 

It is nice to say that the person will be fined but collecting the fine is another story. Does the person work - if so is it legal to garnish wages?

 

You see where I am going with this.

 

It's illegal to deny care in an Emergency Room regardless of ability to pay. And even with the subsidy, there's still going to be people that won't buy healtcare coverage, just as even though it's illegal in most states to not have car insurance, there's still plenty of uninsured motorists driving around.

 

Here's what bothers me most about this bill- aside from the Dems back room politics, we're creating another massive unfunded liability that may just well sink the good ship America. This guy said it far more eloquently than I ever could.

 

George Will Article

 

The silver lining (to conservatives) is Obamahood probably spent all his political capital getting this bill passed, and some of his other ideas (Cap & Trade) are dead in the water.

[Chicopee John]

We are going to have 16,000 new cops at the IRS to make sure everyone complies, and the IRS can garnish wages without having to go through the courts to get a judgement. But from what I understand they will only be taking money that you would be fined for not having health insurance that meets the requirements of the health care czar.

 

Talking about IRS Cops.............

 

The news today had a story about identity theft for people who registered for a government (State or Federal, not sure) rebate for more eco-friendly furnaces. Among the information stolen was SSNs.

 

Apparently one of the people tasked with inputting the information started saving it for his/her own purposes.

 

How in the hail would people be required to provide SSNs to obtain a rebate for their new furnaces????????????????

 

 

 

[Westside Steve]

The silver lining (to conservatives) is Obamahood probably spent all his political capital getting this bill passed, and some of his other ideas (Cap & Trade) are dead in the water.

 

 

Or the Dems realize that they can't be stopped and that the will of the people is something to be ignored

Then they can pass the big energy tax and amnesty bill with impunity.

 

Kinda like the guy who knows his car will be reposessed soon and trashes it.

 

WSS

[Chicopee John]

Follow-up

 

Social Security Numbers Stolen From Furnace Rebate Applicants

 

Personal Data Collection By JENNA CARLESSO and CHRISTOPHER KEATING March 23, 2010

 

 

HARTFORD —

Police are investigating the theft of personal information — including Social Security numbers, names and addresses — from as many as 11,000 people who had applied for furnace rebate programs with the state.

The investigation by Hartford and state police has led them to a woman who worked at the state Office of Policy and Management from May 2008 until May 2009, officials said. There have been no arrests.

 

The woman, whose name was not released, was one of seven temporary employees assigned to work on the furnace rebate programs. She was employed by a nonprofit agency hired by the state and was not a state employee, said Robert Genuario, the secretary of the Office of Policy and Management, which is the governor's budget office.

 

A criminal background check performed prior to hiring the woman "did not reveal anything notable," Genuario told reporters Monday at the state Capitol.

 

State officials learned about the investigation from Hartford police after a complaint was filed.

 

"Somebody's identity was attempted to be acquired," Genuario said. "That person notified the Hartford police."

 

So far, authorities know of only one person who has been affected, but up to 11,000 people could be involved because they had filed applications with the rebate program. The state collected Social Security numbers because the refunds are federally taxable and the state was required to send a 1099 tax form to the recipients. The seven temporary workers were supervised by state employees under a short-term program, and the rebate program has expired.

 

Gov. M. Jodi Rell has ordered the budget office to contract with an identity theft protection agency to provide services for all of those whose information may have been stolen. In addition, the state is sending 11,000 letters to notify all applicants.

 

The governor has also asked that the state Department of Consumer Protection launch an investigation into the operations of such rebate programs. The furnace replacement rebate program, which ran from August 2008 to March 10, provided rebates of up to $500 to people who replaced their furnace or boiler with more efficient models. The furnace upgrade rebate program, which ran from August 2008 to June 2009, provided rebates of up to $500 to those who serviced their furnaces.

 

For further information, call the furnace hot line at 1-866-940-4676 from 8:30 a.m. to 7 p.m.

 

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

But there will be problems aheas when Obama rams through the illegals amnesty bill and there are anouther 15 million lined up at the ER behind the new Medicaid recipients.

 

 

Seriously Heck how much do you think it actually costs for uninsured who seek regular treatment at the ER?

And how many of them do you suppose would purchase even a subsidized plan?

 

WSS

 

32 million.

[hoorta]

 

QUOTE (Westside Steve @ Mar 23 2010, 09:06 AM)

But there will be problems aheas when Obama rams through the illegals amnesty bill and there are anouther 15 million lined up at the ER behind the new Medicaid recipients.

 

 

Seriously Heck how much do you think it actually costs for uninsured who seek regular treatment at the ER?

And how many of them do you suppose would purchase even a subsidized plan?

 

WSS

 

 

32 million.

 

 

LOL, if you want to make bets that Obamacare will pass Constitutional muster (unfortunately I think it will) I'll bet you double or nothing you won't get 32 million more people signed up for health insurance-not even close. That's the number of people that will be elegible- wether they decide to take advantage of it remains to be seen.

 

You know who's going to jump at the chance? The uninsured with serious pre-existing conditions, and the money to afford it. The healthy twentysomethings- probably not. Rather spend it on hot cars and chicks.

[Westside Steve]

QUOTE (Westside Steve @ Mar 23 2010, 09:06 AM)

But there will be problems aheas when Obama rams through the illegals amnesty bill and there are anouther 15 million lined up at the ER behind the new Medicaid recipients.

 

 

Seriously Heck how much do you think it actually costs for uninsured who seek regular treatment at the ER?

And how many of them do you suppose would purchase even a subsidized plan?

 

WSS

 

 

 

 

 

LOL, if you want to make bets that Obamacare will pass Constitutional muster (unfortunately I think it will) I'll bet you double or nothing you won't get 32 million more people signed up for health insurance-not even close. That's the number of people that will be elegible- wether they decide to take advantage of it remains to be seen.

 

You know who's going to jump at the chance? The uninsured with serious pre-existing conditions, and the money to afford it. The healthy twentysomethings- probably not. Rather spend it on hot cars and chicks.

 

 

Yeah I'd say full compliance is a long shot.

But if this is a betting opportunity I'm in.

I haven't got tomatoes but I like the USO.

 

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

Fellas, 32 million isn't full compliance. 50 million is full compliance. 32 million would be, of course, 64% compliance.

 

You keep getting all excited because you can envision a scenario where someone might choose to pay the fine instead of buying coverage.

 

...What do you think that remaining 18 million uninsured represents? People who don't buy coverage and remain uninsured.

 

I really feel bad bursting all of these bubbles. I really do.

[Westside Steve]

Call Obama.

He's the guy that says he'll make sure 32 million Americans are covered.\You say all.

That's the mantra.

 

PS glad he dropped the "47 million Americans" mistake aren't ya?

 

WSS

[hoorta]

Fellas, 32 million isn't full compliance. 50 million is full compliance. 32 million would be, of course, 64% compliance.

 

You keep getting all excited because you can envision a scenario where someone might choose to pay the fine instead of buying coverage.

 

...What do you think that remaining 18 million uninsured represents? People who don't buy coverage and remain uninsured.

 

I really feel bad bursting all of these bubbles. I really do.

 

Yeah full compliance would mean covering the millions of illegals living in this country. Shoud we?

 

So 1\2 of 64% equals 32% and so what- FYI, you're already paying for those uninsured- hospital emergency rooms pass those costs to the insured by higer rates, in case you didn't know. BTW, that's how the illegals get healthcare in America. Personally, I prefer higher insurance rates to higher taxes. And thanks to Obamacare, you're going to get both!

 

I do feel sorry for the Democratic senators who shot down a bunch of Republican riders to the bill. Uncle Sam always ready to help out- wants to pay for Viagra & Cialis for registered sex offenders. That one tops the list, but there were plenty of others that aren't going to play too well in November. Since you want to bet, I could pick a number of seats the Dems are going to lose mid term- I got a feeling it's going to be a historic shift.

 

[Mr. T]

The silver lining (to conservatives) is Obamahood probably spent all his political capital getting this bill passed, and some of his other ideas (Cap & Trade) are dead in the water.

 

I dont believe for one minute it is dead. If they see that they are going to lose big in November they may decide to ram it thru. But then again they did go against the will of the people on the Mandatory health care crap.

[Westside Steve]

BTW anyone else note the change in the mantra?

 

It's now "providing access" to affordable care to that 32 million.

 

WSS

[calfoxwc]

One thing that a lot of pundits don't notice - I think -

 

is that ObaMao did sign his executive order stopping federally funded

 

abortion - elective, anyways....

 

 

But WHY DID THEY REFUSE TO PUT IT IN THE BILL ?

 

But they didn't want it in there.

 

So, why did they leave it up to ObaMAO, to just sign an exec order to that affect, instead?

 

Because it provided the phoney Democrat "pro-lifers" political cover....

 

and later, when they figure this bill will kick in.... Obamao will simply re-issue

 

another executive order, over-riding the first on the subject.

 

Obamao is ALL about federally funded murder of unborn children, even late term.

 

That is what I think he will do.

[hoorta]

One thing that a lot of pundits don't notice - I think -

 

is that ObaMao did sign his executive order stopping federally funded

 

abortion - elective, anyways....

 

 

But WHY DID THEY REFUSE TO PUT IT IN THE BILL ?

 

But they didn't want it in there.

 

So, why did they leave it up to ObaMAO, to just sign an exec order to that affect, instead?

 

Because it provided the phoney Democrat "pro-lifers" political cover....

 

and later, when they figure this bill will kick in.... Obamao will simply re-issue

 

another executive order, over-riding the first on the subject.

 

Obamao is ALL about federally funded murder of unborn children, even late term.

 

That is what I think he will do.

 

Yup, if the Dems had put abortion funding in that bill it never would have passed.

 

Hmmmm.... I really have to wonder should that scenario kick in Cal, just how big the tax revolt for those that sincerly hold the opinion that abortion is just plain wrong will be.

[calfoxwc]

Well, Mr. Hoorta,

 

How all this plays out, churches full of people who VOTED for Dems, who may "soften" their

 

opposition to abortion... but more likely, those who will be very, very upset, and start

 

objecting and sending the good ship America back on course.

 

But when a Dem Congressman talks about "controlling the people"...

 

I think we are a nation barreling towards a national crisis of bad times.

 

Voters regret has already set in bigtime, but tax revolts... I can see that, but

 

these Obamao people...seem to be wanting to trigger objections and tax revolts.