Urologist says for people who voted for Obama...

[calfoxwc]

A bit overstated - I'd have said "if you support Obamao's "health care" plan... please feel free to go

find another doctor."

******************

 

MOUNT DORA — A doctor who considers the national health-care overhaul to be bad medicine for the country posted a sign on his office door telling patients who voted for President Barack Obama to seek care "elsewhere."

 

"I'm not turning anybody away — that would be unethical," Dr. Jack Cassell, 56, a Mount Dora urologist and a registered Republican opposed to the health plan, told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday. "But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it."

 

The sign reads: "If you voted for Obama … seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years."

 

Estella Chatman, 67, of Eustis, whose daughter snapped a photo of the typewritten sign, sent the picture to U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, the Orlando Democrat who riled Republicans last year when he characterized the GOP's idea of health care as, "If you get sick, America … Die quickly."

 

Chatman said she heard about the sign from a friend referred to Cassell after his physician recently died. She said her friend did not want to speak to a reporter but was dismayed by Cassell's sign.

 

"He's going to find another doctor," she said.

 

Cassell may be walking a thin line between his right to free speech and his professional obligation, said William Allen, professor of bioethics, law and medical professionalism at the University of Florida's College of Medicine.

 

Allen said doctors cannot refuse patients on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or disability, but political preference is not one of the legally protected categories specified in civil-rights law. By insisting he does not quiz his patients about their politics and has not turned away patients based on their vote, the doctor is "trying to hold onto the nub of his ethical obligation," Allen said.

 

"But this is pushing the limit," he said.

 

Cassell, who has practiced medicine in GOP-dominated Lake County since 1988, said he doesn't quiz his patients about their politics, but he also won't hide his disdain for the bill Obama signed and the lawmakers who passed it.

 

In his waiting room, Cassell also has provided his patients with photocopies of a health-care timeline produced by Republican leaders that outlines "major provisions" in the health-care package. The doctor put a sign above the stack of copies that reads: "This is what the morons in Washington have done to your health care. Take one, read it and vote out anyone who voted for it."

 

Cassell, whose lawyer wife, Leslie Campione, has declared herself a Republican candidate for Lake County commissioner, said three patients have complained, but most have been "overwhelmingly supportive" of his position.

 

"They know it's not good for them," he said.

 

Cassell, who previously served as chief of surgery at Florida Hospital Waterman in Tavares, said a patient's politics would not affect his care for them, although he said he would prefer not to treat people who support the president.

 

"I can at least make a point," he said.

 

The notice on Cassell's office door could cause some patients to question his judgment or fret about the care they might receive if they don't share his political views, Allen said. He said doctors are wise to avoid public expressions that can affect the physician-patient relationship.

 

Erin VanSickle, spokeswoman for the Florida Medical Association, would not comment specifically.

 

But she noted in an e-mail to the Sentinel that "physicians are extended the same rights to free speech as every other citizen in the United States."

 

The outspoken Grayson described Cassell's sign as "ridiculous."

 

"I'm disgusted," he said. "Maybe he thinks the Hippocratic Oath says, ‘Do no good.' If this is the face of the right wing in America, it's the face of cruelty. … Why don't they change the name of the Republican Party to the Sore Loser Party?"

[VaporTrail]

What an asshole of a doctor. Dipshit should leave all of his political beliefs away from his office, this straight up created an unfriendly environment for some of his patients. Your obligation is only to your patients' health, not their beliefs.

 

I want to go to medical school and be a doctor, and while I realize that the whole healthcare thing is a scary prospect for doctors, I think it's going to pass. The cost of med school is astronomical, and there is no way that the government is going to turn its back on all the people that work their asses off and pay them so little that they won't be able to pay off their debts. There is just no possible way to screw these people over when the country is going to need them as much as they do.

 

Well, that's what I'm banking on, anyways. I'm very reluctant to believe that doctors will only be making as low as 50k a year. I just don't think there's any way these docs could be expected to pay off their loans if their incomes get drastically lowered. Unless all the med schools lower their tuition, I don't think anyone would be okay with it. Then, when the government needs doctors because people got scared away bc of this whole healthcare thing, how else do you get them to come back? Should doctors' pay get reduced, it'll be scaled down at the very worst to make it just manageable to pay off student loans.

[Mr. T]

 

 

 

Well if they put the screws to them long enough, then big bro can come in and offer some government contract placing them under the government control while subidizing their business.

 

Just a thought?

[VaporTrail]

And I wouldn't have a problem with that so long as the doctors can pay their loans off. I'm a civil servant, as is, and we get a hell of a deal, they extend perks like that to all doctors, plus pay for college loans, then holy shit, I doubt there'd ever be a shortage. I don't think that'll ever happen, that's just too many perks for too many people, it doesn't seem feasible. As it is now, the only doctors with those perks are in the armed forces, and don't get the great money aspect of it, but when they get out, they cash out.

 

I would expect what happens in the next decade or so to be somewhere in between. I doubt they'd ever give the military perks to every civvy doctor, but the pay will never be lowered so much that it's a struggle to pay off college loans.

[Mr. T]

VT, so you want all doctors forced to be employed by the government? That way they will have caps on pay and be told what to do by a bureaucrat.

 

What about private practice and the will for one to be able to own their own business? should that be ran by the government also?

 

This is what you are asking for?

 

FUBAR! Move to China or France if you feel the need that everything should be controled by government.

[VaporTrail]

VT, so you want all doctors forced to be employed by the government? That way they will have caps on pay and be told what to do by a bureaucrat.

 

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm fine with the existing system, but I'd also be okay if the government did subsidize the health industry (which they aren't going to do completely, it's infeasible).

 

What about private practice and the will for one to be able to own their own business? should that be ran by the government also?

 

Nope.

 

This is what you are asking for?

 

Nope.

 

FUBAR! Move to China or France if you feel the need that everything should be controled by government.

 

Ah yes, the "if you don't like it, get out!" argument. But no, I don't feel that everything should be controlled by the government. Do you still want me to leave?

 

I'm still waiting for 50% of doctors to quit, until they do or it starts getting close to that number, I'm going to have a hard time believing it's as bad as people are saying.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

VT, so you want all doctors forced to be employed by the government? That way they will have caps on pay and be told what to do by a bureaucrat.

 

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm fine with the existing system, but I'd also be okay if the government did subsidize the health industry (which they aren't going to do completely, it's infeasible).

 

What about private practice and the will for one to be able to own their own business? should that be ran by the government also?

 

Nope.

 

This is what you are asking for?

 

Nope.

 

FUBAR! Move to China or France if you feel the need that everything should be controled by government.

 

Ah yes, the "if you don't like it, get out!" argument. But no, I don't feel that everything should be controlled by the government. Do you still want me to leave?

 

I'm still waiting for 50% of doctors to quit, until they do or it starts getting close to that number, I'm going to have a hard time believing it's as bad as people are saying.

 

I think the main problem Vapor is already with Primary Care Physicians (PCP). Most medical students want to specialize because they know they can make way more $$$$. With the huge influx of patients due to this health care law, there will be a serious shortage of PCP. You may have to wait a long time to be seen unless it is an emergency.

[VaporTrail]

I think the main problem Vapor is already with Primary Care Physicians (PCP). Most medical students want to specialize because they know they can make way more $$$$. With the huge influx of patients due to this health care law, there will be a serious shortage of PCP. You may have to wait a long time to be seen unless it is an emergency.

 

Yeah, I mean, I know I want to be a doctor, but I don't want to be in primary care, regardless of pay. I think if anything is going to be subsidized by Uncle Sam, it's going to be people with those jobs. While I don't think they're ever going to take the option of private practice, the alternative is going to have to be much more attractive to current and future doctors so that this shortage never happens.

 

Will this screw primary care doctors in the long run? I don't know. People with these jobs are all very educated, and they are universally needed by everyone, rich or poor. I think that so long as demand overshadows supply, Uncle Sam will be footing the bill to even it out.

[Westside Steve]

Will this screw primary care doctors in the long run?

 

 

Nah, that's the trial lawyers job.

 

WSS

[calfoxwc]

Meanwhile, in the bill passed,

 

did you know that there is NO APPEAL whatsoever,

 

when the gov decides on your care, what test(s)? you

 

can have? What surgical procedures?

 

Zilch. No appeals. No explanation.

 

Did you know, if I heard it right, that medical personnel

 

will be subject to conscription into gov service as it sees fit?

 

The latter, I'm not certain I heard it correctly.

 

But I know this, Constitutional EXPERTS are saying several parts

 

of this bill cannot stand, they ARE UNConstitutional.

 

What a mess Obamao is making our country into.

[VaporTrail]

Can you provide a source for both of the points you brought up? Preferably of the bill itself.

[Kosar_For_President]

He's just pissed off.

 

I'll be here all week.

[calfoxwc]

Here is an article... I don't see the "conscription" deal, but the gov will set ALL doctor's wages?

 

Who wants to defend this bill NOW ? Maybe scrap it and start all over again and do it

 

PROPERLY with the consent of the AMERICAN PEOPLE ?

 

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http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_h...healthcare.html

 

What's really in Obama's health care reform bill? Almost no one knows, and here's why: It's 1,017 pages long and written in an alien form of bureaucratic English that can barely be decoded by earthlings.

 

And yet, astonishingly, a U.S. Army translator has been found who speaks "Washington Doublespeak" and he was kind enough to decode the bill and post his plain-language findings over at FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f...).

 

Below, we reprint what he found in the health care reform bill. As you read this, keep in mind that some of these translations are a bit loose with the interpretations, but I've personally spot-checked these points, and they are indeed all contained in the bill in one form or another (shrouded in Doublespeak language, of course).

 

Editor's note: I don't personally agree with every interpretation listed here, and some of the bill's provisions are actually good ideas (like banning doctors from owning stock in health care companies). But overall, this interpretation points out many alarming provisions in the proposed health care reform bill...

 

From CMS at FreeRepublic.com:

 

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!

 

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

 

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

 

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

 

• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

 

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

 

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

 

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

 

• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

 

• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

 

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

 

• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

 

• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

 

• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

 

• Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

 

• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

 

• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

 

• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

 

• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

 

• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

 

• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

 

• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

 

• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

 

• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

Oh, NOW I see the conscription part. Hey, folks, this is serious business.

 

This is way, way, way, way too far to support, even for those who are totally supporting Obamao Idealogy,

 

and leftist ideology. There is NO REASON FOR ALL OF THIS IN AMERICA.

 

No more "ha-ha" now, right?

 

Anybody disagree? Why?

 

******************************************************************

 

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/...ill-part-2.html

 

I hope you didn't think that everything about the healthcare bill was covered in Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill. If you did, you were wrong. That just covered the first 500 pages. There's another 500 pages. Peter Fleckstien (aka Fleckman) has also read the second 500 pages.

 

As I write this, there are some 159 comments at the original Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill. Some comments are left by people truly in shock by what the Obama Administration is trying to pull off. Others charge that his interpretations of the bill are incorrect and hint that he is purposely being misleading. To those commenters I have this to say:

 

Peter Fleckstein having read the entire 1,000 plus page document makes note about what is written in the bill and his view of what it means. When he writes, for example,"I smell ACORN" the bill doesn't mention ACORN but community organizations. Fleckstein knows what community organization means and helps the reader out by writing what he believes. The bill, itself, is written in dense legalese. I challenge anyone to read fully even the first 100 pages. Thank the heavens that Fleckstein is there to read the bill and comment on it, without the legalese.

 

I consider Fleckstein a hero for having read the whole damn thing. Paul Revere may have rode on his butt all night to warn about the British, however, after a good days rest, he was probably back to his normal self. Fleckstein has ploughed through 1,000 pages of this obtuse bill which must have cost him hours and hours and hours on his butt, and drained his eyes, to warn about a Draconian, totalitarian healthcare bill. Paul Revere is a hero for what he did to warn about the British. Peter Fleckstein is a hero to warn about healthcare totalitarianism.

 

At no point does Fleckstein shirk from standing up behind every word he writes. There is literally a page, chapter and verse reference from the Bill for every comment he makes. On all my posts and Fleckstein's there is always a link to the bill itself so you can checkout any comment Fleckstein makes against the exact point in the bill that he references.

 

Further, as one commenter put it, many who are looking at Fleckstein's interpretations are missing the big picture. Obama is marketing this bill as a program to help those who don't have health insurance, but if that is the case, what are all the detailed regulations for the rest of us about? If Obama just wants to provide healthcare to those who don't have it, then why doesn't he do just that and control the healthcare standards, billing, tracking and prices he is willing to pay, for those people under his program. What the hell does this have to do with the rest of us? I think Obama's entire healthcare program is a politician's cheap trick, even when he is talking about the poor and the uninsured (See here), but everyone should be able to smell the totalitarian rat when Obama is putting on all kinds of controls on all healthcare.

 

Here's what Fleckstein found in the second 500 pages:

 

Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Govt will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.

 

PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.

 

PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps – Can u say unions & ACORN?

 

PG 621 Lines 20-25 Govt will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Govt know about quality?

 

PG 624 "Quality" measures shall b designed to profile u including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc

Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.

 

PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed "Qual Measures" 4 Physician Svcs & Dialysis Svcs.

 

Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Govt wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.

 

PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Govt will tell U where ur residency will b, thus where u'll live.

Pg 676-686 Govt will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.

PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/suppliers admittance into HC Exchng.

Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med svcs MUST b enrolled in Medicare.

 

Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforce. purposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.

Pg 757-762 Fed govt will shift burden of payments 2 Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) 2 States. (Taxes)

 

Pg 768 Sec 1713 Govt – Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)

 

Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Svcs – "increasing birth intervals btwn pregnancies." Govt Abortions any1?

Pg 770 SEC 1714 Fed Govt mandates eligibility 4 State Family Planning Svcs. Say abortion & State Sovereign.

 

Pg 789-797 Govt will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought 2 mrkt. Bye innovation

PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!

 

Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. 2 register. Govt takes over private payment sys.

 

PG 829-833 Govt will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!

Pg 838-840 Govt will design & implem. Home Visitation Prog 4 families w young kids & families expect kids.

PG 844-845 OMG! This Home Visitation Prog. includes Govt coming in2 ur house & telling u how 2 parent

Pg 859 Govt will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes thats Billion.

 

Pg 865 The Govt will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps

PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment

PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Drs

PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps. 2 ensure supply of public health prof.

 

PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians

PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL incl commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft? WTF!

PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.

PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDATES Cultural & linguistic competency trng 4 HC professionals.

Pg 932 The Govt will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- intial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion

 

PG 936 Govt will develop "Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards" Tell me what 2 eat?

PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Govt? Offices of Surg. Gen. -Public Health Svc, MinorityHealth, Women's Health

 

PG 993 Govt will establish school based health clinics. Your kids wont have a chance. (Cal - CHOICE ?)

PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!

PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will u be tracked?

 

PG 1003 9-11 National Med Dev Reg ''(iii) other postmarket device surveillance activities" U WILL b tracked.

Here's the Bill itself.

[calfoxwc]

I didn't even make this a separate thread... @@

[VaporTrail]

Thanks for looking this up. I don't have time to check all of these, but I'm looking at 899-901 and I think the wording of the source you got these from is misconstruing the information. This "conscription" appears to be completely voluntary. It looks like a program that is offering to foot the bill for med school in return for a year of service for each year paid for, much like ROTC. That doesn't force anyone to become a certain type of doctor for the rest of their lives, but it does fill the needs that I pointed out in my earlier posts. It's an incentive for filling the most unwanted medical jobs, and it'll get new meat every year, with a rotation rate that is imo, fair. Yes, they pick what type of doctor you are for a few years, but they paid for med school, and now you owe it to the government.

 

I had no idea this was included in the bill, but Cal, I kid you not, I am now really looking forward to this, as I don't have the cash for med school, and would prefer to not be in debt for all my life.

[calfoxwc]

Well, I hope it helps you. There IS good in this bill.

 

but there is also bad.

 

The "conscription" part comes in when the gov will decide

 

ALL ? doctors' pay?

 

But, I hope you don't get gov control for $$$, like GM did. GGG

 

The two parts I bolded,...

 

"PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Govt will tell U where ur residency will b, thus where u'll live.

 

Pg 676-686 Govt will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals."

 

sounds like you'll be told where to do your residency, where you will be a doctor? and where you will live...

 

I don't know. The financial help would be great for you future docs, though.

 

It's just the rest of the things that don't sound right....

 

[VaporTrail]

And as for the government setting wages, I'm going to need more clarification, I'm still pretty new to this whole realm of healthcare. Non-preferred physicians refers to people that aren't under a PPO, which offers services at a reduced price, does that refer to all private practice doctors, then?

 

But here's the part where you said it'd set all government wages.

 

Page 127

 

10 ( PARTICIPATING, NON-PREFERRED

11 PHYSICIANS.—Those physicians who agree not

12 to impose charges (in relation to the payment

13 rate described in section 223 for such physi14

cians) that exceed the ratio permitted under

15 section 1848(g)(2)© of the Social Security

16 Act.

 

It refers to this

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title18/1848.htm

 

© After 1992.—For physicians' services furnished in a year after 1992, the “limiting charge” shall be 115 percent of the recognized payment amount under this part for nonparticipating physicians or for nonparticipating suppliers or other persons.

 

Does that mean this has been in place since 1992? Perhaps nothing has changed since then? I could be wrong, but due to the wording here, I'm going to assume this has been what it's like since 1992. If you can point out otherwise, let me know.

[VaporTrail]

Page 664

 

14 ‘‘(II) DEDICATED ASSIGNMENT

15 OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENT POSITIONS

16 TO PRIMARY CARE.—The hospital as

17 signs all such additional resident posi

18 tions for primary care residents.

 

section iv and v on page 665-667 talks about an increase in the number of resident physicians, and it appears that each hospital has a set limit, for it to get these additional slots, they have to meet criteria listed in this section.

 

section vi on 668 discusses when these additional slots need to be added by "the secretary"

 

I don't know, I'm not seeing anything where it says that the government chooses where your residency is. Every hospital needs to have resident physicians, and there are only so many available slots. I don't see anything where Uncle Sam tells you where to apply for a residency, he only says where additional residency slots get added.

 

Maybe it's on the second section you brought up, but hell, I'm exhausted from trying to translate this shit. But I don't think this section says what your source claimed.

[shoot]

Hey VT, before you start freaking out over that, it should be noted that that entire post is a copy-paste from noted right-wing loony asylum www.freerepublic.com, and is full of patently untrue and conspiracy theory bullshit (as I see you're finding out as you read the actual bill and not some Retard's "translation" of it).

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ar...l-needs-check-/

 

Here's a starter. Plenty of other sites have already debunked most of these claims, you can literally google any of the lines in that email calfox posted and the first 50 results will be information to the contrary. Or you can just trust some crazy freeper.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Hey VT, before you start freaking out over that, it should be noted that that entire post is a copy-paste from noted right-wing loony asylum www.freerepublic.com, and is full of patently untrue and conspiracy theory bullshit (as I see you're finding out as you read the actual bill and not some Retard's "translation" of it).

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ar...l-needs-check-/

 

Here's a starter. Plenty of other sites have already debunked most of these claims, you can literally google any of the lines in that email calfox posted and the first 50 results will be information to the contrary. Or you can just trust some crazy freeper.

 

Vapor. Shoot, used to be called Shit (seriously). He is actually mz the pussy. who was banned from this site. He likes to come back occasionally in this "alias".

[shoot]

Vapor. Shoot, used to be called Shit (seriously). He is actually mz the pussy. who was banned from this site. He likes to come back occasionally in this "alias".

 

I have no idea who mz the pussy is, nor do I have any idea what this has to do with anything. The information is either true or it isn't, your ad hominem arguments are dumb.

[Westside Steve]

I have no idea who mz the pussy is, nor do I have any idea what this has to do with anything. The information is either true or it isn't, your ad hominem arguments are dumb.

 

 

You aren't even similar in style to mz the pussy.

 

 

WSS

[VaporTrail]

See, this is what scares me about people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. You guys will come here, posting about the endtimes along with some link of some person with an agenda. You NEED to factcheck this shit! I don't care if it comes from Limbaugh, Beck, Maddow, or Obama himself. It's really scary to see that these people have the power to say something and people will blindly believe it. Hell, I about posted something from Rachel Maddow the other day without doing research on my own, but started looking around and her evidence wasn't as great as she made it out to be, so I didn't. You guys should not take anything, ANYTHING at face value, of course it's going to be twisted in some way. Do some actual research and educate yourself instead of blindly buying into what some pundit's statements.

 

@shoot

 

I've actually read stuff from politifact, but that site is definitely slanted to the left, so no one here is even going to bother with it. There are hardly any objective sources of information on the internet if you're looking off of politically based websites. I've learned much more about the healthcare bill, reading through this topic, and reading through the bill than I ever would have listening to someone on Fox, MSNBC, or the blogosphere. I'd encourage everyone to do the same.

[shoot]

@shoot

 

I've actually read stuff from politifact, but that site is definitely slanted to the left, so no one here is even going to bother with it. There are hardly any objective sources of information on the internet if you're looking off of politically based websites. I've learned much more about the healthcare bill, reading through this topic, and reading through the bill than I ever would have listening to someone on Fox, MSNBC, or the blogosphere. I'd encourage everyone to do the same.

 

Haha, you say "slanted to the left," I say "in touch with reality"

 

Either way, you're right about Fox/MSNBC etc. People need to stop watching cable news, it's poison.

[VaporTrail]

Some of their truth-o-meter stuff about Obama's promises is bullcrap. He extended the patriot act, it's listed as stalled. We're still in Iraq, yet that's omitted from this website. There are quite a few more under the stalled or compromise section that should be under broken, imo. The site's just as biased as any cable news organization.

[calfoxwc]

the stuff I posted is exhausting. I'm sorry I don't have a whole lot of time either...

 

123 trays planted. Still planting. Took break for dinner.

 

I think maybe Shoot is more like Shep. Who knows.

 

But, about your snide comment, She... i mean, Shoot:

 

It was here:

 

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_h...healthcare.html

 

Not some weird right wing nutcase site.

 

I tried to just bring it up. Some of it has merit, I think, some I have no idea.

 

But to say something so ignorant as "NO AVOID ALL NEWS FROM FOX",

 

is really foolish. You are in a minority worshipping the extreme liberal slant of CNN.

 

BTW, Fox rules the ratings, because most Americans want to KNOW that the HELL is

 

REALLY GOING ON.

 

Tell your professor to take a bath, ditch the stinkin pipe, wear some new clothes, and

 

to grow the freakin up, and start being an American.

 

It's too late for you, but maybe it would help other future students of his.