The Gipper Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 So, rumor is speculating that the Browns still could take a QB with their first pick at #7 overall, or even move up to #1 to take Bradford. If this is done, then we must ask: what are the odds that this choice would be successful? Here are the Quarterbacks taken in the first 7 picks of the First round in the last 20 years. How many were bona fide and how many were busts: 2009: Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez 2008: Matt Ryan 2007: Jamarcus Russell 2006: Vince Young 2005: Alex Smith 2004: Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers 2003: Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich 2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington 2001: Michael Vick 2000: None (no QB taken in the entire first round) 1999: Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith 1998: Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf 1997: None (first QB at #26: Jim Druckenmiller) 1996: None (no QB taken in entire first round) 1995: Steve McNair, Kerry Collins 1994: Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer 1993: Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer 1992: David Klingler 1991: None (first QB taken at #16: Dan McGwire) 1990: Jeff George, Andre Ware Color code: Red: complete bust Green: first class quality QB, others were either middle of road or too early to tell. Agree or disagree? As I see it, the Browns would have about a 50% chance of getting a middle of the road QB, a 20% chance of getting a first rate QB, and a 30% chance of getting a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Add Heath Shuler to the complete bust list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandFanForLife Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 leftwhich wasn't a bust. he was decent. carr and couch however, are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
585Dawg Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 You could even probably throw J Russell under complete bust too... or give him one more year.. If the Browns traded up to get Bradford (which I HIGHLY doubt will happen), I would be infuriated!!! Remember this too... the Browns publicly came out and said they talked to the Rams about the first pick.. that doesn't mean 10 other teams didn't contact the Rams either... the media is making a big deal of this, when it really isn't a big deal at all. Why not contact them and see what's up.. no harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 I wouldn't call leftwich a bust, and Couch should be half red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 I wouldn't call leftwich a bust, and Couch should be half red. I wouldn't call Couch a bust at all. Not based on the situation he came from and where he took the team in the time he was here. It was a paper team when he was drafted. They never gave him an O-line, and yet, in 4 years the Browns made the playoffs. And though Holcomb was the QB in that playoff game because TC was hurt, it was still TC who led the team most of that year. I was tempted to put Russell in red, but I think he will be given another year before he is officially declared a bust. And actually, I think I made a mistake in putting Leftwich in red. It was not my intent to. He would be a middling QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Thats cool. He isn't around any longer so I don't waste much time talking about the guy. You feel he was a middle of the road QB and I think he sucked ass. In a year or two he will be eligible for the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Thats cool. He isn't around any longer so I don't waste much time talking about the guy. You feel he was a middle of the road QB and I think he sucked ass. In a year or two he will be eligible for the HOF. Lucky I don't have a vote? Seriously though, if you look at that entire list, there is only one sure fire Hall of Famer on it: Peyton Manning. There are a couple of borderline possibilities: McNair and McNabb. That is discounting the possibilities of some of the young guns really stepping up like Young, Stafford, Sanchez, Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Jeff George was NO WAY a bust. An asshole yes, bust no. Randy Moss's favorite QB of all time. Leftwich was good, far from a bust. He made some pretty bad Jacksonville teams competitive. I can't see that shade of green I'm color blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Jeff George was NO WAY a bust. An asshole yes, bust no. Randy Moss's favorite QB of all time. Leftwich was good, far from a bust. He made some pretty bad Jacksonville teams competitive. I can't see that shade of green I'm color blind. I already said that Leftwich being included was a mistake. And I agree that Jeff George wasn't the normal kind of bust, the Akili Smith/Ryan Leaf bust...a guy that just couldn't play. He could play. His bust status comes from the fact that he could never get along with teammates, coaches, front office etc. types, was always asking for more money, and though he could put up some numbers he could never get the job done in the clutch. As talented as anyone these last 20 years. Unable to corral that talent to be a disciplined leader of a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 I already said that Leftwich being included was a mistake. And I agree that Jeff George wasn't the normal kind of bust, the Akili Smith/Ryan Leaf bust...a guy that just couldn't play. He could play. His bust status comes from the fact that he could never get along with teammates, coaches, front office etc. types, was always asking for more money, and though he could put up some numbers he could never get the job done in the clutch. As talented as anyone these last 20 years. Unable to corral that talent to be a disciplined leader of a team. Point taken, but I still don't agree man. It was the coaches he didn't get along with (June Jones and him almost fought on the sidelines). His team mates were fine with him, aka Randy Moss and him still take fishing trips together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 So, rumor is speculating that the Browns still could take a QB with their first pick at #7 overall, or even move up to #1 to take Bradford. If this is done, then we must ask: what are the odds that this choice would be successful? Here are the Quarterbacks taken in the first 7 picks of the First round in the last 20 years. How many were bona fide and how many were busts: 2009: Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez 2008: Matt Ryan 2007: Jamarcus Russell 2006: Vince Young 2005: Alex Smith 2004: Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers 2003: Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich 2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington 2001: Michael Vick 2000: None (no QB taken in the entire first round) 1999: Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith 1998: Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf 1997: None (first QB at #26: Jim Druckenmiller) 1996: None (no QB taken in entire first round) 1995: Steve McNair, Kerry Collins 1994: Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer 1993: Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer 1992: David Klingler 1991: None (first QB taken at #16: Dan McGwire) 1990: Jeff George, Andre Ware Color code: Red: complete bust Green: first class quality QB, others were either middle of road or too early to tell. Agree or disagree? As I see it, the Browns would have about a 50% chance of getting a middle of the road QB, a 20% chance of getting a first rate QB, and a 30% chance of getting a bust. Is this your opinion or taken from somewhere? Leftwich certainly isn't a bust. He led the Jags to more than couple solid seasons and certainly helped the Steelers in the past. He may not be a elite QB but he's certainly solid. Alex Smith was also finally given the chance to start again and he started to have a nice season as well. Neither are busts. EDIT: And Matt Ryan is middle of the road? He's not a super stud but he's very solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Is this your opinion or taken from somewhere? Leftwich certainly isn't a bust. He led the Jags to more than couple solid seasons and certainly helped the Steelers in the past. He may not be a elite QB but he's certainly solid. Alex Smith was also finally given the chance to start again and he started to have a nice season as well. Neither are busts. EDIT: And Matt Ryan is middle of the road? He's not a super stud but he's very solid. For the 4th time, Leftwich was a mistake of the old keyboard. As for Alex Smith, I guess he has time to redeem himself, but considering how high he was taken, #1 overall, the consensus is that he has been a major disappointment. And I made no committment either way on any of the guys that have been taken the last 4-5 years. At least with Smith, he has had 6 years to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopaji Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 You are all missing the point. The thread isn't about who is a bust, it's about whether or not it's a good idea to take a QB with our first pick. The sad thing is, based on this list it looks like about a 50/50 chance for us. Not good enough for me with the Browns needing help in other areas still. Another bad thing is that it looks like if you don't get a QB in the 1st, the chances your guy will be successful are pretty slim. I looked at some of the 2nd round picks over the years and names like Tony Banks, Browning Nagle, and household name Tony Sacca came up. Still, Delhomme can hold the fort down and if he shits the bed, Wallace is still better than Quinn or DA. I still believe you build a team and then insert a QB. Not the other way around. Sure teams have been successful doing it the other way but it's not everyday you get a Peyton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Hows Alex Smith a bust and David Carr isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 You are all missing the point. The thread isn't about who is a bust, it's about whether or not it's a good idea to take a QB with our first pick. The sad thing is, based on this list it looks like about a 50/50 chance for us. Not good enough for me with the Browns needing help in other areas still. Another bad thing is that it looks like if you don't get a QB in the 1st, the chances your guy will be successful are pretty slim. I looked at some of the 2nd round picks over the years and names like Tony Banks, Browning Nagle, and household name Tony Sacca came up. Still, Delhomme can hold the fort down and if he shits the bed, Wallace is still better than Quinn or DA. I still believe you build a team and then insert a QB. Not the other way around. Sure teams have been successful doing it the other way but it's not everyday you get a Peyton Manning. Right mopaji, the purpose of the list was to see what has happened in recent history with very high QB draft picks, and to demonstrate what the chances would be that such a choice would be a successful choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Hows Alex Smith a bust and David Carr isn't? The difference as I see it is that Carr was in the same boat as Tim Couch: the first pick of a paper team. His success was virtually doomed from the day he was taken because he was the cornerstone of an expansion team. Expansion teams are going to take 5-6 years to be worth anything, and taking that QB with the first pick of the franchises draft is a sure formula for failure. Had McNabb been picked here, he may have suffered the same fate as Couch, and if Couch had been taken by an established team he may well have been a star. Alex Smith was taken by an established team, not an expansion team. He has failed to grab that job by the throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Still Carr is now Smith's backup, if Smith's a bust then so is Carr either way you look at it. I wouldnt say Smith's a bust yet though, this is his year to prove if he has what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Still Carr is now Smith's backup, if Smith's a bust then so is Carr either way you look at it. I wouldnt say Smith's a bust yet though, this is his year to prove if he has what it takes. Well, like I said, I gave Carr a break because of his situation as a rookie QB of an expansion team. Maybe Smith and Carr will jointly lead the 49ers to the Super Bowl, ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Lucky I don't have a vote? Seriously though, if you look at that entire list, there is only one sure fire Hall of Famer on it: Peyton Manning. There are a couple of borderline possibilities: McNair and McNabb. That is discounting the possibilities of some of the young guns really stepping up like Young, Stafford, Sanchez, Ryan. I agree on the list....I would even go so far as to say McNabb and McNair won't make the HOF....but the HOF is full of borderline QBs who made it.....I guess because the really great ones are so far and few between. The young guys....yeah, we can't talk about them all that much for another 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownB499 Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 The two things about this list that stick out to me... 1) There's a "Sam Bradford" in just about every draft 2) With names like Roethlisberger,Rodgers,Culpeper,Flacco,Pennington not on this list, tell me you can still find a quality quarterback with a later 1st rnd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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