Obamao's Katrina

[Chicopee John]

Are you kidding? You sound like Steve.

 

You think that's as good as the government could have responded to Katrina? You watched those two weeks unfold and thought, "Yeah, that's the kind of relief effort I expected."

 

Are you serious?

 

Come on, John. Beyond all the spin and political posturing, there is such a thing as reality.

 

 

Heck, I'm asking what a similar survey might have looked like with Katrina. Nothing wrong with benchmarking, is there?

 

 

Personally, I looked at it as a typical government clusterfck. Not a Bush thing but a typical response by a cludgy old engine that doesn't work efficiently or effectively.

 

I'm really not sure why you reacted the way you did. I'm thinking aloud and I realize that my personal perspective may or may not be the same for a representative sample of Americans.

 

Is said IF the numbers were comparable - MAYBE THEY WERE NOT - I'd wonder about other things.

 

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

It wasn't just a Bush thing. It was also a local and state government thing as well. But it was primarily a Bush/federal thing. Because the federal government takes most of the control of the coordination of relief and recovery efforts in a storm like that. And they were caught completely off guard, hadn't prepared adequately enough, and didn't readjust quickly enough. That's why you saw plenty of people, including the media, being able to access the hard hit areas and the areas like the Superdome (where they told people to go) days before anyone from the federal government even showed up, much less provided any aid.

 

To say it's a typical government screw up would also ignore the years of FEMA running extremely well and efficiently previous to being handed over to a dolt with almost no experience in emergency management as a political favor to a friend.

 

It didn't have to be like that, and the outrage at the response is entirely justified.

[calfoxwc]

It was a Bush/federal thing because the media and the left MADE it that way.

 

A lot of what went wrong with Katrina had not a freakin thing to do with Bush.

 

Obamao said the off shore drilling didn't lend itself to spillage,

 

then it happens, and Obama sits back and days later, blames BP.

 

That would be like Bush sitting back days later and blaming the

 

Civil engineers, the Mayor of New Orleans, and the pouty gov of Louisiana

 

playing dirty, cheap shot politics with their own people's lives.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Here you go, Steve. Here's the difference between appointing a guy like this, and a guy like Mike Brown.

 

It's the difference between taking governing seriously, and not.

[Westside Steve]

Here you go, Steve. Here's the difference between appointing a guy like this, and a guy like Mike Brown.

 

It's the difference between taking governing seriously, and not.

 

Uh

Call me when Chu makes a difference.

 

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

I just sent you an article about him making a difference.

 

"Grumble, grumble. Where are my damn keys?"

 

You're hopeless.

[Westside Steve]

I just sent you an article about him making a difference.

 

"Grumble, grumble. Where are my damn keys?"

 

You're hopeless.

 

I guess.

It's just that I have a hard time signing on to the hero worship.

Sorry.

 

Shit happens; unexpected shit.

And in each case one can look back and say damn I wish we'd have done this or that.

Or done this or that differently in the years building up.

But one thing is sure.

Somebody will second guess whatever they can to either tear somebody down or try to augment their own worth.

 

But if it makes you happier to drool over some guy rather than address why shit went wrong I can't stop you.

 

I understand this talking point will never die.

As long as Obama fails to deliver the promised paradise the best you cando is go back to Bush bashing.

 

Ya gotta let it go someday.

WSS

 

[Westside Steve]

Why haven't you asked that of the few hundred articles that have been pasted on this board without commentary for the last 4-5 years? Suddenly posting an article without commentary is upsetting to you?

 

Come on. All you're doing is nitpicking.

 

I haven't seen a real, adult argument from your side on this board in months. Not that I'm surprised, but perhaps you should pick it up a notch. It's not like it's going to come from the guy calling Elena Kagan an ugly un-American bitch.

 

 

He posted something that he obviously thought was important.

I just ask "OK, so?"

 

It isn't a very stunning survey. Is it?

Maybe he saw sonething in it that I missed since I wasn't very shocked.

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

I guess.

It's just that I have a hard time signing on to the hero worship.

Sorry.

 

Shit happens; unexpected shit.

And in each case one can look back and say damn I wish we'd have done this or that.

Or done this or that differently in the years building up.

But one thing is sure.

Somebody will second guess whatever they can to either tear somebody down or try to augment their own worth.

 

But if it makes you happier to drool over some guy rather than address why shit went wrong I can't stop you.

 

I understand this talking point will never die.

As long as Obama fails to deliver the promised paradise the best you cando is go back to Bush bashing.

 

Ya gotta let it go someday.

WSS

 

How many logical fallacies can you stick into one post?

 

(You're doing it again.)

 

[Westside Steve]

How many logical fallacies can you stick into one post?

 

(You're doing it again.)

 

 

LOL

(oops I mean hahaha)

That's it???????

 

Hey maybe your guys coulda let Chu's nuke plants get built.

 

 

But hey we'll get that technology now from places where Democrats didn't stand in the way huh?

 

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

Yeah, that's it. I was thinking about trying to explain how stupid going back to the "You think Obama is God who is going to solve everything" trope is, which is the straw man you trot out at least once a day, but I won't bother. It's becoming clearer every day that you're just Cal with a library card. Everything you do is an effort to make sure you don't have to discuss anything above your pay grade.

 

As for the "letting Bush go" ...um, hello? You just said that in a thread comparing Obama's response to Bush's. That's the whole point of the thread.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

Actually Heck, again, you are wrong, and it's getting old.

 

THe PURPOSE/REASON/SUBJECT for the thread,

 

is where is the outrage about Obamao's response to the gulf disaster...

 

like there was about Bush's response to that disaster?

 

EVEN Obamao has come out and criticized HIS OWN GOVERNMENT'S REACTION.

 

But no, Soros boy, you can't bring yourself to catch up with reality.

 

Heck, speaking of library, perhaps you could grow some nads and

 

go READ about KITTY WERTHMANN instead of cowering in fear that you're wrong.

[osusev]

Heck I can see why Alo stopped posting. Why are you still posting and discussing anything with people who are not interested in open discussion?

 

You cant discuss reasonable logic with people who are inherently unreasonable for some political reason......

 

 

[calfoxwc]

You guys don't discuss anything.

 

You just fight against any kind of sentiment, serious or jovial,

 

that doesn't jive with your precious ideology.

 

Said ideology, Obama worship, stinks.

 

Odd, you all never once got tired of trying to discuss

 

hating and dissing Bush and Cheney and Rove etc etc for eight years.

 

But now that the guy YOU thought would be a great president, is stinking

 

up the joint, you can't handle the truth, and you make really ignorant excuses for bailing.

[Westside Steve]

Yeah, that\\\'s it. I was thinking about trying to explain how stupid going back to the \\\"You think Obama is God who is going to solve everything\\\" trope is, which is the straw man you trot out at least once a day, but I won\\\'t bother. It\\\'s becoming clearer every day that you\\\'re just Cal with a library card. Everything you do is an effort to make sure you don\\\'t have to discuss anything above your pay grade.

 

As for the \\\"letting Bush go\\\" ...um, hello? You just said that in a thread comparing Obama\\\'s response to Bush\\\'s. That\\\'s the whole point of the thread

 

 

Yeah? Obama\\\'s president with a rubber stamp.

Bush is out.

So if the fed was \\\"slow \\\" to respond why not blame Obama?

 

 

From everything I\\\'ve read he\\\'s a big proponent of nuclear.

So am I but you guys have been blocking it for years.

Now why would that be?

In other cases you use the Euro Socialist Democracies as an example of what we should do, but it seems we\\\'ll need to buy that technology frome them now that Dems have set that program back a few decades.

 

Chu wrong on that or were you?

 

WSS

[Chicopee John]

Heck I can see why Alo stopped posting. Why are you still posting and discussing anything with people who are not interested in open discussion?

 

You cant discuss reasonable logic with people who are inherently unreasonable for some political reason......

 

 

Why do you keep beating the same dead horse, Sev?

 

You can go and you can stay. I prefer that you stay but you guys have to stop talking about those who did choose to walk.

 

This place is what it is. You (and Heck) provide a welcomed view, IMHO.

 

Just stop bellyaching about things like why you waste your time here, understanding why XXX left, etc.