clevebrownsfan Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8850902...-rest-of-season There will be no more quarterback controversy in Cleveland this season. FOXSports.com has learned that Browns quarterback Brady Quinn is done for the year after doctors revealed that the break to his right index finger has gotten worse since he's tried to play through the injury. Team sources said that Quinn and the team made the decision together earlier today. Sources say that not only has the break in his right index finger worsened, but it is also starting to injure the tendons as well. Derek Anderson will return as starter. Quinn met with renowned doctor James Andrews and the Browns brought in specialists as well. A team source said that all agreed that Quinn needed to shut it down before the tendons tore from the bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DestinFunk Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 OOps, sorry for the duplicate thread. I'll try to delete mine [/qu This sucks..WTF else can happen?..Actually who cares Quinn was the only reason to watch the rest of the year...now next year he will have to work on getting his feet wet...and another wasted season..as neal young said...Helpless...helpless helplesss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Well that sucks because there is no way to really know what BQ will do. The season is over and I sure would have liked to know if BQ is the answer at QB. DA gets another chance to change minds without BQ looking over his shoulder. Lets all hope he performs to his best ability and has 5 games like the Giants and jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OconRecon Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Another off season of talking about the QB. Third in a row. Ahh geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 As I posted in another thread .....how the FUCK do you start Quinn last week when you knew it wasn't just a break but rather there was tendon damage as well. Heads need to roll now. Sit DA on the bench before he lowers his trade value anymore than he already has. We'll be picking high in the draft people ....definitely top 10, maybe top 5. Only in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 You think it would raise DAs value if you started Dorsey in front of him? Talk about being dillusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 If I was the browns I would start Dorsey. You play DA and we won't win a game. At least on the bench he isn't hurting his trade value. Know after the season we will just have to cut him GREAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OconRecon Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I'm really wondering now if it is a mallet finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 You think it would raise DAs value if you started Dorsey in front of him? Talk about being dillusional. Starting DA will only lower his trade value. Just in case you haven't managed to watch any Browns games for the past 1.5 seasons ....DA sucks, and the more he plays the lower the draft pick becomes that we get for him. He plays out the rest of the season we'll be lucky to get a 5th or 6th out of him, and more than likely he'll simply get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 How would it not hurt his trade value? To start Dorsey would be stupid, if you would start him I would say that is one reason you are a fan and not working in an organization (not that I am either of course so I could be stupid on this as well). If you start Dorsey you are saying he is better than DA, that would mean that DA would and should be cut. I understand you are down on DA but he has played a few good games this year and does have skills. If the last 3 games should have taught you anything is that it is not all the QB on this team. The QB is not the root of all the problems, if he is then you should trade BQ asap also. And I do not think that you should. Saying stuff like that is just being bitter and unrealasitic. The only thing that you probably really fear is that DA plays well enough to stick around another year. That is not a general comment it is rather specific, I know most fans want the QB that gives them the best shot to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 If I was the browns I would start Dorsey. You play DA and we won't win a game. At least on the bench he isn't hurting his trade value. Know after the season we will just have to cut him GREAT! At least if Dorsey took the helm we could run a legitimate offense, no close your eyes, heave the ball, and hope play-makers comes down with it bullshit. Maybe Quinn could learn something from watching Dorsey, while watching DA will only continue to stunt his growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damajuki Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Oh, good golly, this is ridiculous. We are truly the most snake-bit franchise. Well, no, we're not the Bungles. Or the Lions. But we're perilously close. So..uh...wow. This sucks. I'm speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 How would it not hurt his trade value? To start Dorsey would be stupid, if you would start him I would say that is one reason you are a fan and not working in an organization (not that I am either of course so I could be stupid on this as well). If you start Dorsey you are saying he is better than DA, that would mean that DA would and should be cut. I understand you are down on DA but he has played a few good games this year and does have skills. If the last 3 games should have taught you anything is that it is not all the QB on this team. The QB is not the root of all the problems, if he is then you should trade BQ asap also. And I do not think that you should. Saying stuff like that is just being bitter and unrealasitic. The only thing that you probably really fear is that DA plays well enough to stick around another year. That is not a general comment it is rather specific, I know most fans want the QB that gives them the best shot to win. Well this reply is at least a little more mature rather than stating I am "delusional". The fact is, other NFL team personnel would know that we are sitting DA because he's on his way out and we don't want him to hurt his trade value. Sure, he may improve his trade value if he plays ....but judging by common sense and what we have seen from him, that won't happen. DA playing even moderately well will only begin the QB deadbate all over again. He's had 24 starts to prove himself, and all that he has proven is he belongs on the bench. At least now we could at least get bench worthy compensation for him. He plays the rest of the season and he may play himself out of the league. I know Dorsey starting won't happen ...but just like I knew last year he was a flash in the pan, a pretender, a fake ...this year he plays himself out of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Mike Florio cites Glazer's report, then writes: And since Anderson won’t be feeling the pressure of having Quinn breathing down his neck or the weight of high expectations, Anderson will probably play well down the stretch. The question then will be whether G.M. Phil Savage (if he doesn’t get fired) realizes that Anderson won’t be likely to repeat that performance if he receives a $5 million bonus in March and returns in 2009 as the opening-day starter. Alternatively, one could hope that DA plays well and ups his trade value, resulting in us getting a higher pick if/when we trade him this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OconRecon Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 What's that I hear from the Savage home tonight? Wait, wait, listen... "I told you we needed 2 quarterbacks!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 DA has played a year and half with these players and with this system. He has had about 11 good to great games and 13 bad to horrible games. Not a great percentage I would admit but alot better than most of the recent browns QB's. Playing him behind the 3rd string QB would in no way increase his trade value or even maintain it. It would only lower it. By playing he gives the Browns the best possible chance of winning (13 wins and 11 losses in that span) and increaseing his trade value. Have you not watched the last 2 games or do you think BQ sucks too? There are alot more problems to this offense than who the QB is. The BQ era has shown that there is alot of issues with this team not related to the QB. You might not know that I also called for DA to be benched before the Cincy game as I thought that was a good time to make a change. So I am not one of the people that think DA should start over BQ. But, I also do not think he sucks and I do think with BQ out he gives the Browns the best shot of winning. I think your only real fear is that he plays well enough to not get traded. Yes the Browns would have gotten more by trading him in the offseason. But at this point, with BQ out he is the Best QB on the team. I made a few harsh comments that I have deleted as you did not deserve them. So if you read this before I fixed them I am sorry for being personal and harsh. I disagree with you that it would not hurt his trade value. If you have so little confidence in him to start Dorsey then that would say alot about your opinion of DA. And it would in fact lower his value as they might think they could just get him off waivers or really cheap if they were willing to pay the bonus. With BQ out I don't think that there is a downside in starting DA. With BQ healthy I thought that the rest of the season should be used to season BQ. That is no longer the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Congratulations, Lumberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 DA has played a year and half with these players and with this system. He has had about 11 good to great games and 13 bad to horrible games. Not a great percentage I would admit but alot better than most of the recent browns QB's. Playing him behind the 3rd string QB would in no way increase his trade value or even maintain it. It would only lower it. By playing he gives the Browns the best possible chance of winning (13 wins and 11 losses in that span) and increaseing his trade value. Have you not watched the last 2 games or do you think BQ sucks too? There are alot more problems to this offense than who the QB is. The BQ era has shown that there is alot of issues with this team not related to the QB. You might not know that I also called for DA to be benched before the Cincy game as I thought that was a good time to make a change. So I am not one of the people that think DA should start over BQ. But, I also do not think he sucks and I do think with BQ out he gives the Browns the best shot of winning. I think your only real fear is that he plays well enough to not get traded. Yes the Browns would have gotten more by trading him in the offseason. But at this point, with BQ out he is the Best QB on the team. And to make a statement like Dorsey should start shows what a bright fan you really are. I absolutely do fear he will be on this team next year. IF he is, that means we have the dumbest leaders of a franchise in NFL history to pay him his bloated star caliber contract that Phil signed him to. I really don't see this happening, as he will undoubtedly play himself out of the NFL or at least to career third string status. I would like to get something out of DA is all I am saying. It's already gone from a 1st and 3rd rounder to a 4th or 5th rounder .....do we really need to completely destroy his trade value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 We all know what we have in DA. Why not see if Dorsey can be a really good #2 QB on this team. There is no way DA plays so good we have to keep him. Get real. All the browns I have talked to said it was a waste to bring him back this year. Like you said there are a lot more problems than the QB, so that's why I disagreed with DA coming back. Get the draft picks for him because everybody knew that BQ couldn't do worse than DA. Bad move by PS and that's why he will probably be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hopefully DA plays well... but more likely he'll go one game hot, two games cold, one game hot, two games cold. Personally, I'm not entirely sure we saw enough of Quinn to be 100% sure he's the future of the franchise, especially the way he went out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I amended my post to take out the personal jab. Sorry about that. Well I will agree to disagree on this subject. But, I do agree that he has lowered his trade vale. My hope is that he increases it in the next 5 games. He might not but I do think if you trade him it is the best chance to up his trade value to a 2nd or 3rd round pick as opposed to a 5th or 6th. Dorsey is not a number 2 and will not be next year. When they trade DA they will just sign a veteran back up. Dorsey is more of a coach than a QB on the team. He is the number 3 emergency QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestPlayersPlay Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I amended my post to take out the personal jab. Sorry about that. Well I will agree to disagree on this subject. But, I do agree that he has lowered his trade vale. My hope is that he increases it in the next 5 games. He might not but I do think if you trade him it is the best chance to up his trade value to a 2nd or 3rd round pick as opposed to a 5th or 6th. Fair enough, and I amended mine as well. But knowing the sheep in this community, I just really really hope IF DA does up his value and strings a couple of good games together, that we don't keep him and that bloated contract. I am all for getting more out of DA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 The schedule is brutal. There is only one game for sure and that's cincinnati but wait DA stinks againist them. We are going to finish 4-12 GREAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eqrulz101 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 If the browns didnt have bad luck they would have no luck at all. This is insane. Im sure BQ tried to down play this injury as much as possible because he wanted to play and didnt want to give DA a chance to show the good DA and have him win his job back. All we can hope for is the good DA shows up these last 5 games and ups his trade value. Then have a bright enough GM at the time to realize DA cant win under pressure and dump him for a high draft pick. This is our opportunity to turn back the clock in a way (if the good DA shows up) and get a good trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Seems that Cleveland has been the qb killer team, because of the offensive line. Even now, it's the right side, and I guess Fraley at center has been trying to help Hadnot, who is trying to help Shaffer. Whatever, I don't know. But I see the Browns needing to sign or draft a couple of olinemen for the right side, a big very good dlineman, a mLB and a corner. This coaching staff, or major parts of it, is gone after the season, I think. Lerner is fed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think even if DA tears it up the final 5 games that the team has already decided on going with BQ. So they basically have to trade him. If they can get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him that will help. Bring in a veteran to back up BQ and then hopefully BQ shows that he can be the QB for the team. I am a DA fan but his days in Cleveland are over. Get the most out of him that you can and move on. But, I do think he is capable of leading the Browns to a few more wins this year. If they can get close to .500 with this schedule and with the way the receivers have fallen apart that is a positive move. Not the move we all hoped for but a positive one. By trading DA and going with BQ next season you WILL have the fans on your side and they will live with a developing QB because of who it is. The fans will be much more accepting of growing pains with BQ as the QB than probably any other QB in the league. Hope his finger heals and the Browns have a great draft. I am not sure that RAC will get fired but he probably should be. I do not think that Savage will get fired, and I am not sure that he should be. So bring in a new coaching staff and a OC that will use BQ's mobility and see how next year pans out. The schedule will have to be easier. The sky is not falling, but it is too bad that BQ will not be able to use these games to learn to be a NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac12 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 A miracle happened. I agree with your post cal . Have good DA, win 3 of 5 games and trade DA for a 2nd or 3rd. Fire the coaching staff but keep the GM. He has shown the ability to get FA's to come to Cleveland. Use the picks to get a DL, LB and DB's. Hope that BQ is the answer. Would be nice to not have to try and fix every position every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think even if DA tears it up the final 5 games that the team has already decided on going with BQ. So they basically have to trade him. If they can get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him that will help. Bring in a veteran to back up BQ and then hopefully BQ shows that he can be the QB for the team. I am a DA fan but his days in Cleveland are over. Get the most out of him that you can and move on. But, I do think he is capable of leading the Browns to a few more wins this year. If they can get close to .500 with this schedule and with the way the receivers have fallen apart that is a positive move. Not the move we all hoped for but a positive one. By trading DA and going with BQ next season you WILL have the fans on your side and they will live with a developing QB because of who it is. The fans will be much more accepting of growing pains with BQ as the QB than probably any other QB in the league. Hope his finger heals and the Browns have a great draft. I am not sure that RAC will get fired but he probably should be. I do not think that Savage will get fired, and I am not sure that he should be. So bring in a new coaching staff and a OC that will use BQ's mobility and see how next year pans out. The schedule will have to be easier. The sky is not falling, but it is too bad that BQ will not be able to use these games to learn to be a NFL QB. What games do you see DA leading the team to a win? I think RAC lost this team and to be honest I don't think they will win a game the rest of the year. I hope they do but I just don't see it. I got really discourged during the houston game and see no promise until RAC is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 What kind of pussy gets an owie on his finger and is out for the year? Well now the Browns have a chance to win some games at least. Another bonus for the Browns is maybe all the BQ Fags just won't show up to the games. That way the team won't have to deal with the home crowd chanting for Quinn, Cowher, etc... while they're trying to play a football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 What kind of pussy gets an owie on his finger and is out for the year? Well now the Browns have a chance to win some games at least. Another bonus for the Browns is maybe all the BQ Fags just won't show up to the games. That way the team won't have to deal with the home crowd chanting for Quinn, Cowher, etc... while they're trying to play a football game. All right football god where do you see wins at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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