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Cal asserts that I have been doing something for years. Yes I have been doing something for years. Yes I have been outspoken about the carnage and destruction of our nation for the last several years.

 

No Bill Clinton's personal life never bothered me.

 

Yes George Bush's bungling of the economy the war and world has bothered me. Yes indeed I presented objective opinions that have been very accurate. These were countered by vigorous personal insults. It was me who never said a peep about Bush until well after 9/11 when it became evident all he wanted was to be at war, make the poor poorer, wreck our middle class, destroy our stock markets, create massive debt and bleed the wealth out of the average citizen.That has all come to pass.

 

I proclaimed way back before we ever went to war in Iraq that no WMD would ever be found. I was crucified unmercifully about that yet no apology to date. Meanwhile, the attack on all of us who are not right wing nut cases has been incessant for six years. Those same right wingers right here are attacking an incoming President who has never served a day so far...........while blindly letting the worst Administration in American History off the hook.

 

When I have asked a dozens of times about the successes of the Bush Admin there is never an answer.....the foolish excuse is we have not been attacked since.9/11......well we were never attacked before 9/11. It was during Bush's term that 9/11 occurred, his admin repeatedly ignored the warnings. It was during Reagan's term that the next to biggest terrorist attack occurred on the Marine Barracks in Lebanon.

 

The New Administration has come out running before even taking office and has moved quickly and wisely to stem the carnage in the US and around the world. I find the hope that they will fix the mess we are in with great optimism. They have already done many things well including making the face of America to rest of the world more tolerable. They assembled team so far that is impressive.

 

We have huge problems in America. We are going broke by the minute, the economy is in shambles, the housing market is in shambles, the banking industry is in shambles, the trade deficit is in shambles, the auto industry is destroyed, jobs are disappearing at hundreds of thousands per month and the budget deficit is humongous.

 

NONE of this is Obama's fault yet we have some here already blaming him for the mess we are in.

 

All ideas on how to fix the mess are encouraged and civil debate about various options are a good thing.

 

Worrying about individual taxes increasing is like worrying about a leaky faucet when the Tsunami is on the doorstep.

 

The right wingers here have done nothing to provide solutions to America's problems for eight years.They have been good at attacking progressives abusing the term liberal and/or democrat while war mongering and supporting fiscal and strategic policies that have already proven to be a failure.

 

So God is shining on America.......

 

.......She must be a DIMorcrat as one of right wingers so nicely presented in another thread now deleted..........dimocrats and to think the other guys put up a woman who is not very intelligent and has no experience at vritually anything as VP. It was an embarrassment to intelligence of the people of this nation that she was chosen as the VP candidate. Makes the term dimocrat have a whole new meaning.

 

Be nice and debate using numbers and facts and data...........vs useless rhetoric from opinion threads that know the answers without have to bother with the question. More killing and NO taxes is not the answer. That is a non starter.

 

Trickle Down economics has been a total bust again and this time worse than ever.

 

Time to start building the pyramid the old fashion way using engineering principles and building from the bottom up. For starters a lot of spending is required to dig us out the hole the Bush Admin put us in.

 

The Dow is down 20% since Bush Term started, the NAZ is down 40% and the S&P is down 30%.............not counting inflation which makes those numbers massively worse. During normal times the stock markets on average grow 10% a year. So they should be if the current Admin was just average about double where it was eight years ago instead miserably lower. These are the numbers that measure a nations prosperity.............STOCK MARKET numbers............WE are falling apart.......time to get on with accepting a new way of business because trickle down ecomomics, fiscal irresponsibility and sabre rattling and war mongering is destroying us.

 

Happy Thanksgiving ..........PEACE BE WITH YOU...........

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Rich,

 

That was a great post. I even understood it !!!

 

But here is how I see it, (hillaryproject.com)

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The Clinton years were al Qaeda’s Golden Age

By Kathy Miller | The Hillary Project

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Democrats tell Americans they were safer under President Clinton than they have been under President Bush. The record, however, shows that the Clinton years coincided with al Qaeda's golden age.

 

Whether as a result of wrongheaded policies, the lack of policy or simple carelessness, William Jefferson Clinton passively presided over more successful terrorist attacks against America than any other President in the history of the Republic. And the attacks were carried out with impunity; President Clinton failed to order effective reprisals. The following is a list of the terrorist attacks planned and/or executed during the Clinton years:

 

* February 26, 1993, attack on the World Trade Center: 6 deaths and 1,042 injured

* April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing: 168 deaths and over 800 injured

* June 25, 1996, Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia: 20 deaths and 372 injured

* August 7, 1998, attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania: 12 U.S. deaths out of a total of 223 deaths; 12 U.S. injured out of a total of over 4,000 injured

* October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole in Yemen: 17 deaths; 39 injured

* September 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington (occurred during Bush presidency but planned during Clinton administration): 2,975 deaths and 24 missing.

 

Except for the Oklahoma City bombing, all these terrorist attacks were the work of al Qaeda. Regarding 9/11, it is well established that al Qaeda planned, rehearsed and financed these attacks while Clinton was in office. Therefore, 9/11 was President Clinton's final national security failure.

 

Despite eight years of al Qaeda attacks, the Clinton administration was so clueless about al Qaeda that it was unable to provide the incoming Bush administration with material intelligence on al Qaeda activities. During the transition, President Clinton's focus was on pardons while his staffers were concerned with removing the letter "W" from the keyboards of the White House computers. So oblivious were Democrats to the imminence of al Qaeda attacks that their focus was on juvenile pranks.

 

While 9/11 was President Clinton's most spectacular national security failure, it was neither the most significant nor the most far-reaching. This dubious honor goes to his 1996 decision to refuse Sudan's offer to hand bin Laden over to American authorities. Apparently, the Clinton administration did not think it had enough evidence to indict bin Laden. More likely, it saw no immediate political advantage in bin Laden's capture.

 

Thus, instead of locking up bin Laden at Gitmo, President Clinton gave him free passage to Afghanistan where bin Laden became a warlord and trained thousands of terrorists. The world is still living with the consequences of President Clinton's negligence.

 

Two years before Sudan offered bin Laden to President Clinton, Sudan offered Carlos the Jackal to the French. The French took the famous Carlos and we have not heard a peep from him since; it appears that Carlos is rotting in a French jail. How different would the world be if bin Laden was rotting in a U.S. jail?

 

At the time, France's policy towards terrorists was to nab them whenever possible. In striking contrast, President Clinton's policy was to ignore terrorists as long as possible in the foolish hope that they would be someone else's problem. We now know the consequences of this reckless policy. It is clear the Clinton administration was more inept than the Socialist government of French President Francois Mitterrand. In fact, that very comparison underscores the magnitude of the incompetence!

 

Now Democrats want Americans to forget those serious failures. From the pulpits of presidential "wannabees," Democrats tell Americans they know how to deal with national security. But Democrats will deal with national security the same way they have dealt with illegal immigration. They will subordinate it to political calculations.

 

They already have. During the Spanish-language debate, Democrats traded border security for the Latino vote. In the words of Sen. Hillary Clinton, vigorous border enforcement is contrary to "...the Scriptures..." and "...would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself." This statement emanates from the same camp which constantly accuses President Bush of ignoring the separation of Church and State!

 

America cannot afford to subordinate national security to any other issue. This is why America cannot afford another Democrat presidency. We know that President Clinton, the most celebrated Democrat president of the past 50 years, permitted more terrorist attacks than any other president. What, then, can we expect from another Democratic administration? Perhaps even more worrisome, what can we expect from another Clinton administration?

 

When Democrats tell Americans to remember how glorious the Clinton years were for our nation, it is wise to also remember that, perhaps not coincidentally, the Clinton years were even more glorious for al Qaeda.

 

By: Joseph Beaudoin

 

SOURCE: Insight Magazine

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Thanks Cal ........why do insist on quoting a sources of blowhard right wing nut cases about America who never provide one with a data basis for the view?...........

 

too funny.............someday provide some facts to refute the debacle for the last eight years about where America is going

 

or just keep spewing right wing agenda case

 

get with it Cal..............stop supporting self destruction of America

 

 

BTW, india, pakistan, london, atlanta, spain are among the many terrorist attacks under Bush's watch and 9/11.........I am sure if one wanted to dig up the dirt we could find at least twenty plus incidents...........at least Clinton tried twice to eliminate Bin Laden

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Love yah Mr. T..............but you have no clue about markets and systems and imperialism and democracy...............and are enthralled with the bullshit you have been fed

 

But Socialism is not the problem in America...........three things are the problem...........DEBT..............and FASCISM(which is the anethema of socialism)....and religious zealotism..all which are rampant now

 

and the DEBT will end up destroying America and it is ......................but you believe whatever unbased fundamentals you wish

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Love yah Mr. T..............but you have no clue about markets and systems and imperialism and democracy...............and are enthralled with the bullshit you have been fed

 

But Socialism is not the problem in America...........three things are the problem...........DEBT..............and FASCISM(which is the anethema of socialism)....and religious zealotism..all which are rampant now

 

and the DEBT will end up destroying America and it is ......................but you believe whatever unbased fundamentals you wish

 

 

Geez! Thanks for telling me what i do and dont know Rich.

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I fgeel terrible having sunk to debating Rich....

But

 

But Socialism is not the problem in America..........

 

Yes it is in a way.

The more any society expects to be given the less likely they are to be productive.

The handouts aren't appreciated they're demended and that makes for a bitter populace.

Example: the worst public school in America is a palace compared to most in India.

So why are so many American kids still stupid?

 

 

 

.three things are the problem...........DEBT..............

 

Which continues to worsen.

There are no deficit hawks left.

 

and FASCISM(which is the anethema of socialism)....

 

No it isn't.

They can exist simultaneopusly.

Few even bother to try to understand what fascism actually is.

 

and religious zealotism..all which are rampant now

 

In what way?

A valedictorian can be kicked out of school for mentioning his faith.

Abortion for sex choice convenience or hair color are perfectly legal.

What offends you? Laws against child porn?

 

and the DEBT will end up destroying America and it is ......................but you believe whatever unbased fundamentals you wish

 

Who will cut the budget and reduce that debt?

Pelosi?

Reid?

Obama?

 

I think not.

WSS

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Geez! Thanks for telling me what i do and dont know Rich.

 

I guess I overstated a bit.......My sincere apologies.........

 

....but this socialism kick is another right wing nut case diversion from the real issues in America. Besides the rich have been beneficiaries of socialism for a century as have all those with children in schools and all those who have police forces and fire departments and a defense department........all socialistic things

 

real capitalism is every man for himself instead of me subsidizing corporate feasts, kids education, wars(especially the useless ones like now), the NRA, our useless Congress, the Federal Retirement System, the Fire Department, the Interstate Highway System, the Police Department......................and a TAX CODE that is made for lawyers by lawyers to help the richest stay rich and the poorest stay poorest..............

 

concentrate on fixing that part of socialism instead of worrying about somebody being provided health care.............which should be socialized

 

Several nations are doing swimmingly well with more good social programs than the US ...............in several parts of the world

 

And tell Steve that FASCISM is the opposite of Socialism and we are a lot closer to FASCISM that socialism.....................

 

and the biggest problem is debt while social programs have been riddled in the US in favor of corporate greed and fraud and misues of taxpayer monies

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I fgeel terrible having sunk to debating Rich....

But

 

But Socialism is not the problem in America..........

 

Yes it is in a way.

The more any society expects to be given the less likely they are to be productive.

The handouts aren't appreciated they're demended and that makes for a bitter populace.

Example: the worst public school in America is a palace compared to most in India.

So why are so many American kids still stupid?

 

 

 

.three things are the problem...........DEBT..............

 

Which continues to worsen.

There are no deficit hawks left.

 

and FASCISM(which is the anethema of socialism)....

 

No it isn't.

They can exist simultaneopusly.

Few even bother to try to understand what fascism actually is.

 

and religious zealotism..all which are rampant now

 

In what way?

A valedictorian can be kicked out of school for mentioning his faith.

Abortion for sex choice convenience or hair color are perfectly legal.

What offends you? Laws against child porn?

 

and the DEBT will end up destroying America and it is ......................but you believe whatever unbased fundamentals you wish

 

 

Who will cut the budget and reduce that debt?

Pelosi?

Reid?

Obama?

 

I think not.

WSS

 

Sunk yeah steve you are sunk..................you are incapable of debate you just spew baseless opinion.......please do not call it debate............keep your head above water.........

 

BTW, I understand what FASCISM is do you???????????? If a single picture of the carnage in Iraq was ever shown on TV or a single picture of WMD in the rush to WAR......you could refute how close we are to FASCISM

 

I will close with this topic for debate provide a set of facts which details a single accomplishment of the Bush Admin and we can debate that.........having the terror card go from 0 to 1 instead of 0 to 2 is not an accomplishment!

 

Do not answer STEVE, you will get a sinking feeling and I wish the best for you!

 

BTW, Steve........Clinton shrunk federal govt, created a budget surplus and left a booming economy.........all of which has been totally squandered resulting in a pile of carnage for Obama

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