TheClevelandSound Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 I know this is quite random but I am a Valet Attendant at Portage Country Club in Akron, Ohio. Tonight I had the pleasure of valeting one of the great linebackers of the 1980's Cleveland Browns, Tom Cousineau. He seems to be doing very well. Drives a 2009 Acura MDX. Very tall. He was yelling at his two daughters when he arrived lol. If some of you don't know or dont remember, he was the first overall pick in the 1979 NFL Draft. He played in the CFL as well. His NFL career was with the Browns and 49ers. I just thought id share I got to drive his car and briefly speak with him. Its somewhat relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Great linebacker??? OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5]. During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987. Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Great linebacker??? OK Yea, great in college maybe. Serviceable in the NFL. Was really too slight to be a superior MLB in the NFL for that time. The game had changed a great deal even since the 70s. The O-linemen were significantly larger by the 80s. I would say on the average of 30-40 pounds larger than even 10 years earlier (steroids?). He didn't have the bulk to bang sufficiently hard with the larger dudes of that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Tom was a real good player for the Bucs....but yep, he might be considered on the list of all-time first player taken busts. He did have a decent career, but on a comparative basis he wasn't as good a player for his draft position as Gerrard Warren was....or certainly no better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted June 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Lol I just thought it was cool...thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Lol I just thought it was cool...thats all. It is....that's cool man. We aren't picking you apart....just old timers talking Browns stuff since there isn't much to talk about this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Tom was a real good player for the Bucs....but yep, he might be considered on the list of all-time first player taken busts. He did have a decent career, but on a comparative basis he wasn't as good a player for his draft position as Gerrard Warren was....or certainly no better. I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown. Did he live up to his draft position? No. Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown. Did he live up to his draft position? No. Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst. http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick. Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not: Courtney Browns Ki-Jana Carter Aundray Bruce Ricky Bell Terry Baker Ernie Davis Randy Duncan King Hill Brian Bosworth Akili Smith Andre Ware Lawrence Phillips Steve Emtman Rae Carruth Curtis Enis Charles Rogers Tony Mandarich Todd Marinovich Jamarcus Russell even Archie Griffin plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not: Courtney Browns Ki-Jana Carter Aundray Bruce Ricky Bell Terry Baker Ernie Davis Randy Duncan King Hill Brian Bosworth Akili Smith Andre Ware Lawrence Phillips Steve Emtman Rae Carruth Curtis Enis Charles Rogers Tony Mandarich Todd Marinovich Jamarcus Russell even Archie Griffin plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it? My list was of #1 overall picks. No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls. IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 My list was of #1 overall picks. No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out. No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls. Fair enough. I wasn't defending him as being a superstar or anything. But, for a while, he was "serviceable" if disappointing based on draft rank. IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list. Possibly. It might be entertaining to do an analysis of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich4eagle Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5]. During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987. Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses. thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted June 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL That bio was from wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Never claimed I wrote it. Just a response to your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out Ahhh.....my bad. Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Ahhh.....my bad. Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position. Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks. Maybe because he wasn't picked by us??? yep...that probably has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Maybe because he wasn't picked by us??? yep...that probably has something to do with it. No, no, I included him on that list. I think it just a case of, notwithstanding how much of a disappointment Cousineau was, we have had far too many others who were bigger disappointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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