3 reasons daboll will NOT get fired......

[htownbrown]

1. There is not any 3 wrs on this team that add up to equal one legit starter on another team.

 

2. Working with a rookie qb who has barely worked with his coworkers for one month. A preseason of playing with guys who are no longer working for the team does help create a good team chemistry between this young group.

 

3. The guy really has shown more progression than anyone on this team not named colt.

 

Look the guy is not responsible for bringing talent here. With what he has it appears to me that he's trying to maximize it every game. You have colt, hillis,and cribbs...........if that's all you have you can't bring the kitchen sink on every play. He has to be crafty to make that trio score points and we have seen him do that plenty of times. When/if hardesty comes back healthy things will open up a little......when/if heckert brings in some hands things will really open up. If there was more talent on offense whose to say what he's already doing wouldn't work. Wanting him gone by midseason is reverting back to a losing mentallity.

 

The only knock I have on him so far is not figuring out colt was the real mccoy in preseason. I'm sick of this seniority shit in football.......when a guy is done he's done......JAKE!

[Hoss]

Holmgren is not bringing back Brian Daboll. Believe that.

[htownbrown]

Shit for points on 6 turnovers. Justify and spin it anyway you want, the guy doesn't call plays to win. He's not good enough for the NFL, he is NOT winning us games.

 

It's not the military, he has to perform or get fired and he's not performing.

 

Look at the Eagles... They get 5 turnovers. They win. Look it up, how many teams have lost with a +6 turnover ratio.

 

Laughable. So freaking maddening that people like you are a defending this neanderthal.

 

Alright then: Who replaces him with the same level of talent and creates any better results?

 

Yeah I'm looking at the eagles.................and I see a bunch of talent we don't have!!!

 

[Hoss]

Alright then: Who replaces him with the same level of talent and creates any better results?

 

Yeah I'm looking at the eagles.................and I see a bunch of talent we don't have!!!

 

I don't need to read a list of names, but lets just say most OC's with more than a season-and-1/2 of OC experience. It is not difficult to blame the players for the regression, but believe me good coaches can get more out of this team than Daboll. We shouldn't have brought in a green OC to begin with, not on a team that doesn't know how to win. Daboll is a nice guy but 6 sacks of McCoy, plus 4 scrambles, and a host of hurries, and we're using 5 step drops??

 

Dude needs to go.

[htownbrown]

I don't need to read a list of names, but lets just say most OC's with more than a season-and-1/2 of OC experience. It is not difficult to blame the players for the regression, but believe me good coaches can get more out of this team than Daboll. We shouldn't have brought in a green OC to begin with, not on a team that doesn't know how to win. Daboll is a nice guy but 6 sacks of McCoy, plus 4 scrambles, and a host of hurries, and we're using 5 step drops??

 

Dude needs to go.

 

 

I'm not saying he is the greatest I've ever seen and today was not his best day by far, but he has been within a td of bettering his counterparts in almost every game we lost with inferior talent by comparison. Doesn't sound like the douche he is made out to be if you ask me.

[bonedawg]

1. There is not any 3 wrs on this team that add up to equal one legit starter on another team.

 

2. Working with a rookie qb who has barely worked with his coworkers for one month. A preseason of playing with guys who are no longer working for the team does help create a good team chemistry between this young group.

 

3. The guy really has shown more progression than anyone on this team not named colt.

 

Look the guy is not responsible for bringing talent here. With what he has it appears to me that he's trying to maximize it every game. You have colt, hillis,and cribbs...........if that's all you have you can't bring the kitchen sink on every play. He has to be crafty to make that trio score points and we have seen him do that plenty of times. When/if hardesty comes back healthy things will open up a little......when/if heckert brings in some hands things will really open up. If there was more talent on offense whose to say what he's already doing wouldn't work. Wanting him gone by midseason is reverting back to a losing mentallity.

 

The only knock I have on him so far is not figuring out colt was the real mccoy in preseason. I'm sick of this seniority shit in football.......when a guy is done he's done......JAKE!

 

This is assuming Mangini will be here next season? Holmgren said he'd give Mangini another year for assessment. How we play down the stretch is going to determine a lot of things this offseason. I am a Mangini supporter but when you are the guy (Mangini) that hired the guy (Daboll), you share responsibility. We might as well put out some feelers for defensive coordinators too because if Ryan isn't off to a head coaching job this year, he will be after 2011.

[Gips]

We can guess and second guess all we want but MH and TH along with RL will make the final decisions on both dabs and mangini based off their own criteria and full knowledge of the whole situation that is largely unknown to us...

I wouldnt be surprised either way about the decisions they will have to make and i will be 100% behind the regimes choices regardless..

 

There are very legit and valid arguments for and against keeping/firing mangini and or dabs, but our upper management has a lot of combined knowledge and experience about coaching and what it should or shouldnt be plus the full insiders scoop we dont have...

Currently i dont really see anyone that has announced their availability or is available being a better coach than mangini overall, as far as OCs go that is a far different story...

 

I like bonedawg also have a tendency to lump mangini and dabs as sort of a one deal package in which mangini bears the brunt of responsibility for since he chose to keep him throughout the year...

 

[hoorta]

1. There is not any 3 wrs on this team that add up to equal one legit starter on another team.

 

2. Working with a rookie qb who has barely worked with his coworkers for one month. A preseason of playing with guys who are no longer working for the team does help create a good team chemistry between this young group.

 

3. The guy really has shown more progression than anyone on this team not named colt.

 

Look the guy is not responsible for bringing talent here. With what he has it appears to me that he's trying to maximize it every game. You have colt, hillis,and cribbs...........if that's all you have you can't bring the kitchen sink on every play. He has to be crafty to make that trio score points and we have seen him do that plenty of times. When/if hardesty comes back healthy things will open up a little......when/if heckert brings in some hands things will really open up. If there was more talent on offense whose to say what he's already doing wouldn't work. Wanting him gone by midseason is reverting back to a losing mentallity.

 

The only knock I have on him so far is not figuring out colt was the real mccoy in preseason. I'm sick of this seniority shit in football.......when a guy is done he's done......JAKE!

 

What part of run,run pass on third and 10 don't you get? You need Cribbs to be creative? Turtle ball at it's worst in the second half.

 

[USFBrown]

1. There is not any 3 wrs on this team that add up to equal one legit starter on another team.

 

2. Working with a rookie qb who has barely worked with his coworkers for one month. A preseason of playing with guys who are no longer working for the team does help create a good team chemistry between this young group.

3. The guy really has shown more progression than anyone on this team not named colt.

 

Look the guy is not responsible for bringing talent here. With what he has it appears to me that he's trying to maximize it every game. You have colt, hillis,and cribbs...........if that's all you have you can't bring the kitchen sink on every play. He has to be crafty to make that trio score points and we have seen him do that plenty of times. When/if hardesty comes back healthy things will open up a little......when/if heckert brings in some hands things will really open up. If there was more talent on offense whose to say what he's already doing wouldn't work. Wanting him gone by midseason is reverting back to a losing mentallity.

 

The only knock I have on him so far is not figuring out colt was the real mccoy in preseason. I'm sick of this seniority shit in football.......when a guy is done he's done......JAKE!

 

Correction, he was showing improvement. This last game he regressed back to his former self. Run, run, pass all over again. Playing not to lose. Not getting the TE's involved. NOT THROWING THE BALL TO EVAN MOORE!

 

[vdogrowz]

A few NFL teams needing an OC eagerly awaits the Browns fans to once again run their OC out of town. Let's see, Bruce Arians run out of town - currently OC of the Steelers. Maurice Carthon run out of town - currently asst head coach of the Chiefs. Rob Chudzinski run out of town - currently asst head coach of the Chargers. Ignorance is not knowing something, stupidity is knowing and doing it anyway. Running Daboll out of town would not be ignorant given our history that's for sure. What the Browns need is continuity in coaching, and a GM that knows how to draft, make the big trades and fill out the bottom of the roster, all of which we have in Heckert and Holmgren. We are making progress and need to stay with the plan.

[BrownsKidd]

I'm not saying he is the greatest I've ever seen and today was not his best day by far, but he has been within a td of bettering his counterparts in almost every game we lost with inferior talent by comparison. Doesn't sound like the douche he is made out to be if you ask me.

 

That's because the D is keeping him in the game. The last two games, has been an offensive sludge. Now, yesterday was a complete team disaster... But you have to put points on the board. We can't rely on Hillis on every single down. Someone mentioned in a previous post that we don't get the TE's involved more. Where is Evan Moore? Kid looks like he has a ton of potential. We just are not utilizing our weapons enough to spread the D and keep them honest.. Were throwing when we have to. When we played the Pats and Saints, we were throwing on 1st down, and I remember a commentator saying so and that it was helping to keep the D off balance...

 

I didn't see much of that in the last two games...

[Canton Mike]

A few NFL teams needing an OC eagerly awaits the Browns fans to once again run their OC out of town. Let's see, Bruce Arians run out of town - currently OC of the Steelers. Maurice Carthon run out of town - currently asst head coach of the Chiefs. Rob Chudzinski run out of town - currently asst head coach of the Chargers. Ignorance is not knowing something, stupidity is knowing and doing it anyway. Running Daboll out of town would not be ignorant given our history that's for sure. What the Browns need is continuity in coaching, and a GM that knows how to draft, make the big trades and fill out the bottom of the roster, all of which we have in Heckert and Holmgren. We are making progress and need to stay with the plan.

 

Agreed, let's show some patience here. We need to get the players in place, THEN see how the team is coached. A BIG part of the Brown's current struggles are due to a lack of continuity....Change the system, change the players, blow it up & start over. For once, let's SUPPORT the folks in place & see what happens. No one can deny that the team looks better this year, but we STILL have a lot of work to do & players to acquire. We, as Fans, can support or tear apart those efforts. I chose to support them as we ARE heading in the right direction.

Mike

 

[USFBrown]

Look at our 2 minute drill the last two games. Colt drove down the field on the Jets and Jags D. When we open the playbook and pass it (even though the D knows we're passing) we can drive down the field.

 

Evan Moore was a huge part of both those drives. He ripped the ball from Revis during the Jets drive. The supposed great corner and our unknown and vastly underused TE made a huge play. He caught the ball on third down vs the Jags.

 

We need to open the passing game up more and get Moore involved. It's just ridiculous how we're wasting his potential.

[professor_g]

The true fail here was on the part of the o-line. They just got completely owned.

[shepwrite]

Holmgren is not bringing back Brian Daboll. Believe that.

 

Daboll is toast. People need to get over it. Holmgren has publicly questioned him on GOOD days... imagine what he's saying behind closed doors right now.

 

Holmgren doesn't like the way Daboll calls a game. At the same time, he yearns to run HIS offense, which he clearly believes is better. Whether Mangini survives or not (I personally think Gruden comes in next year), I fully expect a WCO OC in place pretty early in the offseason so he can get on the same page with McCoy.

 

While it's clear that the Browns can't close out wins (of their five close games four were losses and they scored 17 points in the 4th quarter), I remain very optimistic that the team is very, very close to being a serious contender in 2011. I think Holmgren sees a window opening and doesn't want to waste it with people he didn't hire.

 

Left tackle, center, QB, FB, TB, and TE are great pieces to build around. WR is a highly available position every year in FA and the draft. On defense, we can add a couple new pieces and take the next step, become a Top 10 defense. I have no idea what the plan is for DQJ or Rogers, but I'd love to have both of them along with promising young talent in Benard, Rubin, Schaefering, Gocong, Haden, and Ward. I'm beginning to wonder if Roth is fast/athletic enough.

[ClevelandFanForLife]

How about the fact that he goes away from what is working. We were beating them with short passes to Hillie and he calls more run plays. We beat them with throws down field and Daboll calls short passes to our wrs. Dude needs to go.

[36Bones]

Let's not forget, there may not be a 2011 season. We would be better served getting it together now, before this one is over. If coaching changes need to made, wouldn't this make more sense? I'm just throwing something out there. I'm 99% sure they'll get an agreement together. It's the 1% I'm worried about.

[vdogrowz]

"Daboll is toast"

 

Given our experience of tossing OC's out of town only then to replace the entire coaching regime the following year, the better question is whether Mangini is "toast". Those who just want Daboll to be tossed out don't need "to get over it", better to explain why "this time is different" and getting rid of the OC will not give us the same sad results after running Arians, Carthon and Chudzinski out of town.

[NashDawg1]

1. There is not any 3 wrs on this team that add up to equal one legit starter on another team.

 

2. Working with a rookie qb who has barely worked with his coworkers for one month. A preseason of playing with guys who are no longer working for the team does help create a good team chemistry between this young group.

 

3. The guy really has shown more progression than anyone on this team not named colt.

 

Look the guy is not responsible for bringing talent here. With what he has it appears to me that he's trying to maximize it every game. You have colt, hillis,and cribbs...........if that's all you have you can't bring the kitchen sink on every play. He has to be crafty to make that trio score points and we have seen him do that plenty of times. When/if hardesty comes back healthy things will open up a little......when/if heckert brings in some hands things will really open up. If there was more talent on offense whose to say what he's already doing wouldn't work. Wanting him gone by midseason is reverting back to a losing mentallity.

 

The only knock I have on him so far is not figuring out colt was the real mccoy in preseason. I'm sick of this seniority shit in football.......when a guy is done he's done......JAKE!

 

I agree! You have to look at this from a talent standpoint. He has taken a lot of mediocre players (some who wouldn't be on any other team) and found ways to put points on the board. Now im not defending putting no point on the board off of turnovers, but wasn't there some missed field goals yesterday? Filed goals that would have changed the momentum and likely the outcome of the game.

 

Its up to the front office to bring in talent that can produce on the filed. Daboll is doing what he can with what he has got! We are much improved from what Mangini inherited from the Romeo era!

[Hoss]

Agreed, let's show some patience here. We need to get the players in place, THEN see how the team is coached. A BIG part of the Brown's current struggles are due to a lack of continuity....Change the system, change the players, blow it up & start over. For once, let's SUPPORT the folks in place & see what happens. No one can deny that the team looks better this year, but we STILL have a lot of work to do & players to acquire. We, as Fans, can support or tear apart those efforts. I chose to support them as we ARE heading in the right direction.

Mike

 

As an OC, you can't be ranked near the bottom of the NFL in scoring 2 straight years and blame it all on the players. Somewhere along the line you have to find ways to get the ball into the endzone, and put points on the board. The talent level has at times made many coaches look better and sure it starts with the QB. But in this game not much was working upfront and the adjustment to the Jags' stunts was never made, or never made correctly.

 

At some point the offensive coordinator needs to get more out of his talent than he has. If Brian Robiskie is not making the strides, put in Moore and Stuckey, give Mitchell a shot, but don't keep sending the same WR's out there time after time.

 

It's no secret Daboll doesn't know how to utilize his WR like an NFL OC should. Holmgren already said they use TE's and RB's more in the pass game and this is not how you win in the NFL, and it certainly does not develop WR's in the system. He uses them as a decoy.

 

The guy with the best hands on this team is Evan Moore. Why was the last play not developed for him?

 

 

 

[shepwrite]

Good points. Anybody recognize any WRs for the Jags yesterday? Then look at yardage, first downs, etc.

[miktoxic]

man...two years ago we would have loved to be playing as good as we are now..on both sides of the ball. as soon as we lose all the naysayers are out screaming for the coaching staffs' heads. flippin' RELAX. yeah we lost and it sucks, but thats what you get when your game plan is to give it to a guy that has won us our last couple and put all our eggs in his basket. it's a one horse race when it comes to the browns offensive talent and if you stop the horse from running than there is no race. hillis is gonna be so worn down by the end of the year (because there is no other option right now) that you'd be smart to purchase stock in icy hot.

 

i agree with the other posters that you can't evaluate our coaching staff based on the past couple of years. we have no weapons for our OC to utilize. trick plays are great but how many are you going to call in a game? and if they don't work it's usually a disastrous result. none of our pathetic receivers can shake coverage and when they might they can't catch.yeah we got beat BUT i'll tell you what even fans of other teams that i see are giving us props now for heading in the right direction and playing good football and believe me that has never been the case. if they recognize it don't you think the FO office does too.

 

mangini and daboll aren't going anywhere. stop walking around with a dark cloud over your heads all the time.

[BROWNandORANGE]

3 reasons Daboll will get fired:

 

1.) He runs the ball every first down.

 

2.) He runs the ball every second down.

 

3.) He throws the ball every third down.

[Canton Mike]

3 reasons Daboll will get fired:

 

1.) He runs the ball every first down.

 

2.) He runs the ball every second down.

 

3.) He throws the ball every third down.

 

Not true. He passed the 1st few plays yesterday & has frequently passed on 1st down. I'm not defending him, but facts are facts & the above statements are not factual. The big guys will make the decision who comes & goes, but all I can evaluate as a Fan is the level of play I see from a Team that still needs MANY roster changes. How can we truly judge coaching when they are trying to create a winner & have so many missing pieces?

Mike

 

[hoorta]

Not true. He passed the 1st few plays yesterday & has frequently passed on 1st down. I'm not defending him, but facts are facts & the above statements are not factual. The big guys will make the decision who comes & goes, but all I can evaluate as a Fan is the level of play I see from a Team that still needs MANY roster changes. How can we truly judge coaching when they are trying to create a winner & have so many missing pieces?

Mike

 

I figured I'd actually look at the game log before I opened my yap- and sure enough, the Browns did pass on a good percentage of first downs.

 

OTOH, Hillis was only averaging 2.2 ypc in the game. So by all means, if it's not working, let's just keep on doing it!!!

 

[SJ_Browns]

As an OC, you can't be ranked near the bottom of the NFL in scoring 2 straight years and blame it all on the players. Somewhere along the line you have to find ways to get the ball into the endzone, and put points on the board. The talent level has at times made many coaches look better and sure it starts with the QB. But in this game not much was working upfront and the adjustment to the Jags' stunts was never made, or never made correctly.

 

At some point the offensive coordinator needs to get more out of his talent than he has. If Brian Robiskie is not making the strides, put in Moore and Stuckey, give Mitchell a shot, but don't keep sending the same WR's out there time after time.

 

It's no secret Daboll doesn't know how to utilize his WR like an NFL OC should. Holmgren already said they use TE's and RB's more in the pass game and this is not how you win in the NFL, and it certainly does not develop WR's in the system. He uses them as a decoy.

 

The guy with the best hands on this team is Evan Moore. Why was the last play not developed for him?

 

good post! no excuses for the oc and the hc who should be held partially responsible for the loss. lack of talent isn't the reason why the browns lost to the jags. we all know the browns don't have alot of talent and that's why it's even more important for the browns to be more creative with their playcalling on offense.

 

the browns offensive coaching staff came out after halftime and immediately went to "playing not to lose" mode (run, run, pass) for most of the second half and only started passing the ball more frequently (and abandoned run, run, pass) near the end of the 4th q when they were forced to. most of those passes that were on 1st and 2nd down were in the first half of the game. which boggles the mind because why would you go away from what was working for you? the browns were winning in the 1st half by not being conservative and passing the ball more and not just on 3rd down. they played to win against better defenses than the jags, so why go into a shell all of a sudden? especially when they were beating the jags in the 1st half by being more creative than run, run, pass.

 

that "playing not to lose" style of offense was by design last sunday and i think mangini is the main culprit behind it. and if he isn't , then he certainly has the power to change it.

 

i'm not saying mangini and daboll should be fired. i'll say that because i know how some people are good for taking things out of context. what i am saying is that it's 20freaking10, i'm tired of the damn excuses and i'm sick of the denial. mangini and daboll need to stop this bullcrap on offense and play to win like they have a backbone and a pair of balls every damn week! they can run. run, pass when they're up by 20 pts with 4 minutes left in the 4th q and they're trying to run the clock out. that's one of the only times they should go conservative.