Dem/Obamao tax grab on food - S 510 Food Safety bill

[calfoxwc]

We are very fortunate, that WE put Republicans into control of the House.

Reid and the rest of the corrupt Dems tried to use this phoney food bill, to tax

for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to pay for more social bribing of votes,

of all those who will be forced to be dependent, permanently, on the government, for their survival.

 

We are in great danger, folks. We are in big, big trouble is these gov grabs of power are not stopped,

and rescinded.

 

Only the anger of voters forced the Dems to hurriedly add an amendment to this bill that excludes

small farms.

 

It passes? You have never seen inflation, like you'll see in your grocery stores.

It's happened in history... and we have corrupt Dems and the entire Obamao regime,

putting us on the same path. They don't LIKE capitalism and freedom. It doesn't buy

them VOTES to stay in power. Please, if you don't know the history of this movement,

LEARN !

 

We are now in a landmark battle, to keep our America, from those who want to turn it into

an EU style "state capitalism". Which is, socialism. The death of our freedoms, and the circumventing

of our Constitution, our Congress, and our Judiciary.

 

Let the corrupt Dems keep it up, and they will tax every one of us on everything we buy, use, go,

...every way they can. It's the only possible way they can pay for a socialist state.

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S 510 Food Safety bill now dead in the water due to blue slip mistake

Wednesday, December 01, 2010

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...)

 

(NaturalNews) It is now being revealed that US Senators slipped up in a big way when passing the Food Safety Modernization Act on Tuesday: They added what are effectively "new taxes" into the bill, and according to the U.S. Constitution, only the House of Representatives can initiate legislation requiring new taxes.

 

Thus, the House is now obliged to give this food safety legislation the so-called "blue slip," meaning that it rejects the law and sends it back to the Senate for yet another vote. This would take time and effort, of course, and the Democrats have very little of either remaining in their lame duck session.

 

As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_slip):

 

"This blue-slipping procedure, done by an order of the House, is routinely completed to enforce its interpretation that the House is the sole body to introduce revenue or appropriations legislation. The failure of the House to consider the legislation means it cannot become a law. This tactic has historically proven to be of great use to the House and, as a practical matter, the Senate does not introduce tax or revenue measures to avoid a blue slip."

 

In other words, the House wants to remain the sole originator of all new taxes and will therefore need to "blue slip" S.510 in order to slap the hands of Senators who are trying to enact their own new taxes under the bill.

 

 

S.510 may be dead in the water

The upshot of this is that this fight is not yet over. Unless the House makes an unprecedented exception to this blue slip rule, this legislation will apparently need to go back to the Senate floor for another vote.

 

This story was first reported by RollCall.com (http://www.rollcall.com/news/-20101...) which says, "The debacle could prove to be a major embarrassment for Senate Democrats, who sought Tuesday to make the relatively unknown bill a major political issue by sending out numerous news releases trumpeting its passage." (http://www.rollcall.com/news/-20101...)

 

According to Roll Call, "The blue slip could lead to one of two likely outcomes. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) could simply drop the issue and let the next session of Congress start from scratch..."

 

"Or he could try to force the issue in the Senate after the House passes a new version of the bill. But in order to do that and still tackle the other issues, he would need a unanimous consent agreement to limit debate."

 

But unanimous consent is impossible thanks to the heroic efforts of Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla) who has stood firm on his belief that this bill is too large, too expensive and puts too much of a burden on American farmers.

 

If this assessment is correct, it looks like S.510 is now dead in the water and cannot be resurrected until the next session of Congress in which there will be far fewer Democrats (there was not a single Democrat in the US Senate who opposed the bill). (http://www.naturalnews.com/030577_S...)

 

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030588_Food_Saf...l#ixzz16uOuWJL4

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

Cal, you do realize that this bill passed 73-25, with lots of Republican votes, too, don't you? Do they all hate freedom as well?

 

Chuck Grasserly? Dick Lugar? Judd Gregg? Scott Brown? Mike Enzi? All haters of freedom?

 

Kraft Foods? The US Chamber of Commerce? The National Association of Manufacturers? General Mills? They all lent their support to the bill. Do they wish for "the death of our freedoms, and the circumventing of our Constitution, our Congress, and our Judiciary"?

 

Could it be that this bill was about stepping up food inspections, especially foreign food producers, in order to prevent food borne illness? And that the purpose of the bill was not to undermine the foundations of American democracy?

 

I know I shouldn't bother engaging you since there's virtually no point. But seriously, brother - chill the f'ck out. It's a food safety bill and you're screaming about the end of the republic.

 

You're going to scare all the other cranks.

[calfoxwc]

Crank this:

 

It is alarming that the bill didn't include the amendment to exclude small farms, which would have been

 

devasted by this bill. That is why that bill had to have that amendment added.

 

It is only because of the anger of a LOT of folks, that Dems and Reps listened and became aware

 

that the bill was too broad, and would put small farms out of business, as well as farmer's markets,

 

and small farm sales to local independent grocery stores.

 

I'm still concerned that it will add to the inflation push. I don't mind demand inflation, supply and demand.

 

I mind that the gov is arbitrarily making itself the daddy of every single aspect of our lives.

 

You can't have salt, you have to go out of business in food production unless you are a huge producer,

you can't burn wood etc, you have to buy a newer car for the emissions, you have to give up your retirement funds

to the gov and we'll "give" you a steady income, you have to buy medical insurance, you can't criticize the pres

anymore now that WE are in control, you can't have conservative talk radio or tv but we LOVE liberal talk radio *but it failed,

no one listened to that crap"... you can't use electricity produced from coal anymore, and coal electric companies

can go ahead and exist, but the gov will drive them our of any chance of profit, you have to pay more and more in taxes to

the gov, because we are in serious debt that we just sent over a high cliff haha, etc etc.

 

sound familiar? net neutrality? The FCC says it will move ahead with it, despite the refusal of the courts and Congress to

approve it?

 

Think about it. Climb out of your box, Heck. Learn to think outside of it. You aren't locked into that box.

You are just afraid to get out of it, and afraid to ask ObaMao for permission.

 

Is THAT why you are afraid to start your own thread?

[heckofajobbrownie]

You are really something.

[calfoxwc]

Heck translation:

 

" I wish I could find a way to refute what you are saying, Cal. But you are correct,

 

and I hate that..."

[heckofajobbrownie]

I wish everyone in the country could read you on a daily basis like I do.

[calfoxwc]

I think everyone in the country would have a better chance

 

at trying to understand the truth of what I'm sayin... than you.

 

You haven't refuted anything, you just go emotional and attack the messenger.

 

BTW, it wasn't just me that voted in a whole BUNCH of Republican senators/reps and governors, etc,

 

into office this past midterm election.

 

I am not alone. There are bijillions all over the country. You are surrounded.

 

There is nothing wrong with your computer. Truth is real, and Americans all OVER this country

 

can't WAIT until the Reps take over the House. Stop emoting, Heck, and start thinking about WHAT we

 

are saying.

[We need Tom Tupa]

I'm with Cal on this one. The Bill was supported by large American companies because theyre the ones hurt least by it. It places a huge burden on small farmers and food producers, seriously ramps up the cost of importing food and only marginally changes the compliance costs for large domestic companies. The result will be higher food prices - as the cost of imported food rises - and less food choice, as smaller producers are forced to shut down or sell. This isnt very speculative or controversial either. We can already look at the areas where these types of regulations are in place. Where do you go if you want the best cheese or beef? Despite the fact that our wealth and consumer base should indicate otherwise, the answer is not the US. Our food regulations keep the best foreign producers from selling us their goods and the best domestic producers from using their preferred methods or producing their preferred products. Of course Kraft supported it. Why wouldnt they love about having less competition?

 

The bill is a loser.

[We need Tom Tupa]

It is worth noting that I agree with Heck that this is far from a strictly Dem supported bill. There are bought and/or foolish politicians on both sides of this issue, like most.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Ah, the 11th commandment.

 

Tupa, this would be a bit like if that nutjob Rich that used to be in here went off on a rant about how invading Iraq was just something Bush did so he could best his daddy and enrich Halliburton and steal all the oil and kill Muslims because they're brown, and I said, "I'm with Rich.." before going into some actual reasons to oppose the invasion.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

Heck, the SUBJECT is freakin "food safety bill".

 

My God, man, please TRY to stay on subject, and STOP changing

 

it so you can pretend you aren't wrong.

 

Go read a Farm and Dairy mag before you disagree with me on anything about farming again. GGG

[We need Tom Tupa]

Ah, the 11th commandment.

 

Tupa, this would be a bit like if that nutjob Rich that used to be in here went off on a rant about how invading Iraq was just something Bush did so he could best his daddy and enrich Halliburton and steal all the oil and kill Muslims because they're brown, and I said, "I'm with Rich.." before going into some actual reasons to oppose the invasion.

To be fair, I don't actually read Cal's posts.

[calfoxwc]

Tom just knows I'm right WITHOUT reading them. GGG

 

That's a bigtime buttkickin to you, Heck. @@

[heckofajobbrownie]

That's probably best, Tupa.

 

Well, he started out by suggesting that the Democrats passed the food bill to keep people dependent and buy their votes, and that they hate freedom, are corrupt, and that it would lead to inflation and ...well, you know what happens then. (Buchenwald.)

 

[Paxton]

This is great!!! Tupa brings the logic, Cal brings the poetry :)

[calfoxwc]

Heck, be honest for once.

 

Do you think the Dems' food bill that would have put small farms out of business,

 

was a good thing?

 

Initially that amendment was NOT IN THE FREAKIN BILL.

 

Or, do you think the Dems that wrote the bill are ignorant to the extreme?

 

Take your pick. Or, man up and explain how you see that really bad and destructive initial food bill.

 

Just don't chance the subject to Halliburton, Bush, or cranks, Okay?

 

Man up and just answer the question.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Actually, Cal, I was sticking to the subject - what you wrote in the first post. That's what I was objecting to - your belief that this was a purely Democratic bill (wrong) and that passing it meant the Democrats hate freedom (crankery) and that they were using this bill to buy votes and keep people dependent (more crankery) and that we're in a landmark battle against socialism and high inflation (that doesn't exist) that will lead to Weimar Germany (of course).

 

You wrote all of that. It's not my fault.

[calfoxwc]

I can say "DEMS" because they controlled both houses of Congress, you nimrod.

 

Show me where I ever said that no Republicans took part in voting for the bill.

 

It is my opinion, that these bailouts and handouts went to those unions and orgs that

 

are valiantly pro-Democratic party.

 

ACORN? CHECK.

 

TEACHER'S UNIONS? CHECK.

 

THE POOR WHO CAN'T PAY THEIR MORTGAGES? CHECK.

 

DEMOCRAT STATES? CHECK.

 

THE 5 BILLION TO HELP BRAZIL DRILL OFFSHORE FOR OIL? WHO GEORGE SOROS HAS HUGE INTEREST IN,

WHILE BANNING OFFSHORE DRILLING BY US? CHECK.

 

UAW Union? CHECK.

 

You never have specifics on why you believe what you believe Heck, if you do believe anything at all.

 

But you certainly have chickenlittled out on ever starting your own thread.

 

What's so tough about manning up and having an opinion without someone else bringing the thread up?

 

Start your own thread, just once.

 

It won't hurt your groin or anything. It isn't like you will be sexually assualted by a TSA agent or anything.

 

The farm bill was a debacle. That's what I'm saying.