America's First Black President

[Chicopee John]

 

Bill Clinton and the Race Card in Chicago’s Race for Mayor

 

by Mike Tobin | December 28, 2010

 

 

 

Chicago mayoral hopeful Congressman Danny Davis (D-Ill.) insisted that he is not playing the race card as he threatens to turn the African American community against former President Bill Clinton, if he comes to the city of the big shoulders to stump for Rahm Emanuel.

"It's a friendship card," Davis said, emphasizing the long relationship between himself and Clinton, who once wore the label "the First Black President."

 

You can read the language and judge for yourself.

 

"The African American community has enjoyed a long and fruitful relationship with the Clintons, however it appears as though some of that relationship may be fractured and perhaps even broken should former President Clinton come to town and participate overtly in efforts to thwart the legitimate political aspirations of Chicago's Black Community," Davis said in this morning's release.

 

Davis and former Senator Carol Moseley Braun poll at the top of the African American candidates in Chicago's Mayoral free for all. However, Rahm Emanuel enjoys a comfortable overall lead and he is receiving considerable support from minority voters.

 

"All we're saying is give us a break," Davis told me. "Let this thing play out and everything is going to be cool. Mr. President, don't come. Don't help Rahm."

Davis and his spokesperson repeatedly returned to the notion that he and the former President had shared origins from Arkansas and they were good friends.

 

When I asked the spokesperson if this would end the long friendship, she responded, "We didn't start it, He did."

Emanuel's campaign declined to comment.

 

 

Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/12/...r#ixzz19SE3LNVV

[calfoxwc]

Race card, class warfare, ... it's the Dems trading their

 

political futures on mintority interests, including the poor and lower middle class.

 

Anybody else that buys their manipulations of classes of people is just icing on their cake.

 

Lying works for them, racial/gender/class envy organization works for them...

 

that's why they don't want the military to be able to vote. Obamao granted waivers

 

to several states so they wouldn't have to send out ballots to overseas vets on time...

 

Not good. But the race card is the most damaging ploy they have - damaging to our country.

[dogma]

Well yea, dems are the only party that uses the race card. At least without all BS, "well if you think I was being racist when I used the N word, then you are the racist".

[Westside Steve]

Well yea, dems are the only party that uses the race card. At least without all BS, "well if you think I was being racist when I used the N word, then you are the racist".

Define racist for us Dogma.

WSS

[Chicopee John]

Define racist for us Dogma.WSS

 

You got him, Steve.

 

There is no way he can define 'racism' without characterizing him as one himself.

 

Like hypocrites, we are all racists. Some are mean spirited and some simply take note of differences. Some accept differences and others don't.

 

Both major political parties use 'the race card' for their own purposes.

 

I can live with that. I assume you can live with that. Many, however, cannot live with that.

 

 

 

[calfoxwc]

When did noting the difference become "racism", though, John?

 

Everybody NOTICES differences that can't be ignored,...

 

I thought it always was what you DID with that observation is what

 

made you a racist.

 

I'm not an expert on this matter either, btw. GGG

[Chicopee John]

When did noting the difference become "racism", though, John?

 

Everybody NOTICES differences that can't be ignored,...

 

I thought it always was what you DID with that observation is what

 

made you a racist.

 

I'm not an expert on this matter either, btw. GGG

 

Good points, Cal. I'm waiting for a response to WSS' question from Dogfish Head 60 -

 

[Mr. T]

This topic seems funny when this morning I was having a conversation with a good friend who did not understand the definition and difference between racism and prejudice.

 

It seems as though the meaning of racism in america has been changed and tagged as being racist. And all of this has been done in the name of being pc. Many people hold prejudices about almost anything. It could be music, clothing, food etc. But here in america we love to change the meaning of words to fit a particular political landscape to benefit one cause over another.

 

I tend to believe in this quote made by Thomas Jefferson, and would like to see everyone live by it.

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

More HERE

 

When people or politicians who like to use words and bait there words with racism, I question what is their motive behind what they are trying to accomplish.

 

And many times I think less of the said individuals and find them unworthy to be leaders of our Free Nation.

[dogma]

Define racist for us Dogma.

WSS

Racism is the belief that one race is more valuable than another.

Not much more than that to figure out about it.

I kinda thought everyone knew that already.

At least Mr T did.

Of course some confuse racism with prejudice, which is real common and more likely to happen with all races.

[dogma]

You got him, Steve.

 

There is no way he can define 'racism' without characterizing him as one himself.

 

Like hypocrites, we are all racists. Some are mean spirited and some simply take note of differences. Some accept differences and others don't.

 

Both major political parties use 'the race card' for their own purposes.

 

I can live with that. I assume you can live with that. Many, however, cannot live with that.

Actually you're kinda clueless on this one. You can define racism without all the BS you described.

Simply put a racist believes that one race is more valuable in one way or another than other races.

I think your confusing racism with prejudice.

And you're absolutely right.

Implying someone is a hypocrite when they define racism is mean spirited and often indicates a strong streak of prejudice.

And you're also correct when you you say everybody has the ability to be prejudiced (not racist) and it's how you act on those prejudices that indicate whether or not you're a jerk.

 

 

[dogma]

When did noting the difference become "racism", though, John?

 

Everybody NOTICES differences that can't be ignored,...

 

I thought it always was what you DID with that observation is what

 

made you a racist.

 

I'm not an expert on this matter either, btw. GGG

It never has.

What you're talking about is prejudice.

You are correct what you do with your prejudice determines whether or not you're just not a very good person.

Racism is an entirely different concept that involves real beliefs that one race has more positive and valuable assests than other races.

[Chicopee John]

Racism is an entirely different concept that involves real beliefs that one race has more positive and valuable assests than other races.

 

Thanks for your response, Dogma.

 

Yes, Racism and Prejudice are oftentimes used interchangeably when, if fact, I tend to agree with your strong distinction.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of people mix up the two, including the media.

 

 

 

[dogma]

Thanks for your response, Dogma.

 

Yes, Racism and Prejudice are oftentimes used interchangeably when, if fact, I tend to agree with your strong distinction.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of people mix up the two, including the media.

Really? Which media?

Real?

or non lamestream?

[dogma]

The MSM, specifically the CNN's and MSNBC's who promote anything less than Afrocentric worship as racism.

Wow! They must be really sly about it. I think you're probably the only who's caught on to that!

[Westside Steve]

With all respect Dog, your definition is prejudice.

I think if you read more definitions racism is simply attributing differences between the groups solely to race.

That may be good or bad however those who wish to use it as a weapon would like people to believe it's the most terrible thing you can do.

 

Usually "you people" <G> call any event of noting differences among racial groups rqcism.

There are differences and most (I/d say) are environmental rather than ingrained in DNA.

Still there are those as well.

When I give blood the phlebotomist kids me about deep Viling Irish veins.

 

But the unending criy of racism is phony..

We all think whatever group we've in is better than the rest.

So what?

 

But ask yourself this since you brought it up; though it's rude for sure why is the N word the N word?

No terms for other races or groups get so much attention.

Should hillbilly be the H word?

Are other races less deserving of protection from insult?

Are they less worthy of deference?

 

WSS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chicopee John]

With all respect Dog, your definition is prejudice.

I think if you read more definitions racism is simply attributing differences between the groups solely to race.

That may be good or bad however those who wish to use it as a weapon would like people to believe it's the most terrible thing you can do.

 

Usually "you people" <G> call any event of noting differences among racial groups rqcism.

There are differences and most (I/d say) are environmental rather than ingrained in DNA.

Still there are those as well.

When I give blood the phlebotomist kids me about deep Viling Irish veins.

 

But the unending criy of racism is phony..

We all think whatever group we've in is better than the rest.

So what?

 

But ask yourself this since you brought it up; though it's rude for sure why is the N word the N word?

No terms for other races or groups get so much attention.

Should hillbilly be the H word?

Are other races less deserving of protection from insult?

Are they less worthy of deference? WSS

 

 

You are nothing but a lousy Taig, Westside Steve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dogma]

With all respect Dog, your definition is prejudice.

I think if you read more definitions racism is simply attributing differences between the groups solely to race.

That may be good or bad however those who wish to use it as a weapon would like people to believe it's the most terrible thing you can do.

 

Usually "you people" <G> call any event of noting differences among racial groups rqcism.

There are differences and most (I/d say) are environmental rather than ingrained in DNA.

Still there are those as well.

When I give blood the phlebotomist kids me about deep Viling Irish veins.

 

But the unending criy of racism is phony..

We all think whatever group we've in is better than the rest.

So what?

 

But ask yourself this since you brought it up; though it's rude for sure why is the N word the N word?

No terms for other races or groups get so much attention.

Should hillbilly be the H word?

Are other races less deserving of protection from insult?

Are they less worthy of deference?

 

WSS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Definitions of racism on the Web:

 

* the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

* discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

 

* Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

 

* The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes; The belief that one race is superior to all others; Prejudice or discrimination based upon race

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/racism

 

 

 

Sorry it took me a couple of seconds to find the definition of racism.

I don't give 2 craps of pink poop what one person calls another. What matters is that if you make that decision you're willing to accept whatever consequences occur.

The original post I saw seemed to imply that one side of the political spectrum often played the race card. My point is both sides do and the right does it with a huge amount of BS that they should have the freedom of speech to say whatever they want with no consequence.

The truth is you CAN say whatever you want.

But; if you lose advertisers or you get a bunch of attention from people who don't like what you said it's YOUR fault, not theirs.

[dogma]

Anyone paying attention has caught onto it.

I think you might be paying too much attention.

[Westside Steve]

Dog

I'm guessing you noticed that three of four definitions match the one I gave.

The other one is just a synonym for prejudice.

 

And the point?

 

Who adheres to that belief how is it evil and what makes you think it can be legislated?

WSS

[dogma]

Dog

I'm guessing you noticed that three of four definitions match the one I gave.

The other one is just a synonym for prejudice.

 

And the point?

 

Who adheres to that belief how is it evil and what makes you think it can be legislated?

WSS

Sorry I thought you said "With all respect Dog, your definition is prejudice.

I think if you read more definitions racism is simply attributing differences between the groups solely to race.

That may be good or bad however those who wish to use it as a weapon would like people to believe it's the most terrible thing you can do."

 

Racism is NOT just attributing differences between the races.

 

"the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races"

notice the part intrinsically superior?

 

"Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

see the part about belief of inherent superiority?

 

The KKK are racists because they believe whites are superior.

 

I'm not saying everybody or anybody uses the term racist appropriately. As a matter of fact most people don't.

 

To say that a black person who "plays the race card" is a racist implies that black person believes the Black race is superior, which I don't think they're usually trying to do when playing that card. Quite the opposite, I think they're implying that the conditions are unfair towards their race. Sometimes they do this for good reason, sometimes they do it because they're "prejudiced" against white people.

 

Prejudice

Racism

Discrimination

 

All different words with different meanings about one issue, but often used to wrongly.

[Westside Steve]

Sorry I thought you said "With all respect Dog, your definition is prejudice.

I think if you read more definitions racism is simply attributing differences between the groups solely to race.

That may be good or bad however those who wish to use it as a weapon would like people to believe it's the most terrible thing you can do."

 

Racism is NOT just attributing differences between the races.

 

No and you've missed the point.

That is that the differences are inherent to and caused by the genetics of the race.

I would expect a very tiny portion of society thinks that.

 

The rest of your argument is subjective and deliberately intended as a political tool.

Example.

Someone says "Asians do better in education. Blacks are better athletes.

 

(whether or not thats genetic)

 

That means those races are superior in the respective fields.

 

"the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races"

notice the part intrinsically superior?

 

"Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

see the part about belief of inherent superiority?

 

The KKK are racists because they believe whites are superior.

 

They do.

And that superiority is due to the genetics of race.

Just like the Venerable Dr Farrakhan's Nation of Islam but in reverse.

But those guys are hardly the mainstream.

 

I'm not saying everybody or anybody uses the term racist appropriately. As a matter of fact most people don't.

 

 

Agreed.

To say that a black person who "plays the race card" is a racist implies that black person believes the Black race is superior, which I don't think they're usually trying to do when playing that card. Quite the opposite, I think they're implying that the conditions are unfair towards their race. Sometimes they do this for good reason, sometimes they do it because they're "prejudiced" against white people.

 

And that's true.

It just has nothing to do with genetic superiority.

It's just liking your own guy better.

Just ask yourself what if the whites voted 98% for tghe white candidate.

Would that outycome be racially based in your opinion?

 

Further would it be wrong? In your opinion?

 

 

Prejudice

Racism

Discrimination

 

All different words with different meanings about one issue, but often used to wrongly.

 

Almost everyone practices one and three.

Few adhere to two.

IMO.

WSS[/b]

[Westside Steve]

Anotyher thought.

Going back thousands of years different races have adapted to and survived in much different geographical areas.

Frozen tundra to the plains deserts to jungles

 

Is it wrong to note the genetics involved in that survival?

But it is racist isn't it?

WSS

[dogma]

Anotyher thought.

Going back thousands of years different races have adapted to and survived in much different geographical areas.

Frozen tundra to the plains deserts to jungles

 

Is it wrong to note the genetics involved in that survival?

But it is racist isn't it?

WSS

No it's not racist. It might be prejudicial, stereotyping, or discrimination, but it's only racism if someone were to believe that one race was inherently more valuable because of those differences. Kinda like Hitler believed in the master race. That's "racism".

To notice differences is only natural.

If someone were to hypothetically say, "Obama's not bad, for a black president". It would indicate a racist belief.

 

To state, "Obama can speak the black vernacular or talk like a well educated person". Would indicate stereotyping and possibly prejudice. The person may also be a racist, but there's nothing in that statement that indicates that blacks are less than whites.

 

To say, "Bill Clinton was our first African American president', would indicate that he might have acted in a discriminatory fashion to benefit the African American community over others. To benefit one race over another is NOT racism. It's discrimination or prejudiced.

 

Now if someone says something stupid like what Dr. Laura did and expect no backlash and attempt to claim something as ridiculous as she doesn't have first amendment rights is asinine. If she wants to talk to callers like that on her show then she should do it and accept the consequences. She should stop whining like a victim cause she's not. She made her own problem, deal with it.

 

BTW I think in her ignorant fashion she was trying to discuss the double standard of using the "N". Which could be a great and enlightening discussion, if the people who were discussing were both cooperating with the same intentions and in the same venue.

[calfoxwc]

discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

 

**************************************

Okay, I'm confused. If that is a definition of racism, then what the heck is so different

 

from what I was talking about? If you think one race is INFERIOR to your race, you are being

 

predudiced, right?

 

If someone says "Most blacks are not as good at swimming as whites"...

 

is that racist? Or just predudiced? Or being accurate, given possible cultural reasons

 

for it being true, possibly?

 

If you won't let a black person into a fancy golf club... because he/her is black, that is predudice,

 

based on race. That's racism. Don't let the person in because he/her is Jewish or Muslim? That's predudice

 

based on religion/culture.

 

eh...

[dogma]

"If you think one race is INFERIOR to your race, you are being prejudiced, right?"

No, you're being racist, because of the belief your "RACE" is better. That's the best way to remember. You could probably assume Racists are usually prejudiced.

 

"discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race"

is something that a "RACIST" can do, be he's still just being discriminatory or abusive.

 

"If someone says "Most blacks are not as good at swimming as whites"...is that racist? Or just prejudiced? Or being accurate, given possible cultural reasons for it being true, possibly?"

Well until it's absolutely proven to be true due to racial difference rather than cultural differences then that person is using"STEREOTYPES".

A racist may often speak of stereotypes, but identifying stereotypes doesn't automatically identify someone as a racist.

 

"If you won't let a black person into a fancy golf club... because he/her is black, that is prejudice, based on race."

No, that's "DISCRIMINATION". People discriminate when they separate one aspect from another. In this case they separate black golfers from the others. Racists are sometimes guilty of discrimination, but that's discrimination. It's also often based on prejudice. But someone who discriminates is not automatically a racist. Maybe they just prefer not to associate with people who aren't the same as them. You can discriminate in the same way with people who are the same race.

 

"Don't let the person in because he/her is Jewish or Muslim? That's prejudice based on religion/culture."

Nope it's the exact same thing as your golf club example. Discrimination. Religious discrimination can be based on prejudice, but when you exclude them that's "discrimination". It doesn't necessarily take a racist to engage in those behaviors, but racists often do.

[Westside Steve]

I won't parse the last bit (yet) but it's interesting you railed at Dr Laura.

I think she was spot on in her opinion that the word N***** should be as meaningless as hillbilly or poopyhead.

 

It's ridiculous that you (if you fit the description) have elevated it to insurmountable importance.

 

Yes kiddies he called you a name.

Get over it.

 

I realize she pisses some on the left off since she usually advises people to do what's right rather than follow the path of least resistance but geez...

WSS

[dogma]

I won't parse the last bit (yet) but it's interesting you railed at Dr Laura.

I think she was spot on in her opinion that the word N***** should be as meaningless as hillbilly or poopyhead.

 

It's ridiculous that you (if you fit the description) have elevated it to insurmountable importance.

 

Yes kiddies he called you a name.

Get over it.

 

I realize she pisses some on the left off since she usually advises people to do what's right rather than follow the path of least resistance but geez...

WSS

 

I could care less about her using the N word. My point was she acted unprofessional, in a way that's only important to her sponsors, then when the consequences happened she yell about first amendment rights.

 

That's the asinine part.

 

I could careless about her using the word on the air. To me it's no worse than what a lot of performers do.

But don't make that decision to talk like that and then cry about your rights when you get a reaction.

She didn't lose any rights at all. She probably could have made a loop of that interaction and started off her show everyday with and got a bigger audience. You notice I said "B"igger.

[Westside Steve]

She didn't lose any rights at all. She probably could have made a loop of that interaction and started off her show everyday with and got a bigger audience. You notice I said "B"igger.

 

I actually heard the call and her on air response.

 

Nobody called anybody a N*****.

She said you heard it often on HBO.

You do.

Said the broad had a chip on her shoulder.

She did.

 

And it was her own decision to not renew the contract.

So the first amendment isn't really at stake (for what it's worth)

 

WSS

[dogma]

I actually heard the call and her on air response.

 

Nobody called anybody a N*****.

She said you heard it often on HBO.

You do.

Said the broad had a chip on her shoulder.

She did.

 

And it was her own decision to not renew the contract.

So the first amendment isn't really at stake (for what it's worth)

 

WSS

I heard the interaction as well and again, I could care less what excuse she gave for saying what she said. She's the professional and her sponsors thought she was wrong. Boycott the sponsors. The thing that's ridiculous is her quitting and then saying it was because of losing her first amendment rights. It's becoming a tiring pattern of the right to complain that they're not allowed to call people what ever they want.

[Westside Steve]

I heard the interaction as well and again, I could care less what excuse she gave for saying what she said. She's the professional and her sponsors thought she was wrong. Boycott the sponsors. The thing that's ridiculous is her quitting and then saying it was because of losing her first amendment rights. It's becoming a tiring pattern of the right to complain that they're not allowed to call people what ever they want.

Of course nobody called anybody anything.

The neverending and unfounded accusations are the tiresome pattern.

WSS