calfoxwc Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Round one - 6th pick - Marcel Darius, DE/DL, Alabama Because A. J. Green is drafted already because the oustanding Stanford qb is standing pat on his decision to stay in college. The wr will have to wait til the second round - don't worry, the Browns will get their Blackmon in the second round. Really. The Browns MUST get a major pass rush going, and boost their 3 man front in the process if they are going to stay with the 3-4. But, if they go 4-3, this guy is still the perfect pick: (I lost the link, forget where I saw this blurb - had cut and pasted it into Notepad) "What makes this guy such a highly touted prospect is his freakish athletic ability. Dareus is 6'4", 300 lbs and runs a 4.5 second 40 yard dash. Pass rushing has become crucial in the NFL as we've seen some great talent at the quarterback position emerge. " BTW, this guy knocked Colt McCoy so hard on a hit, he had to leave the game. It wasn't a dirty hit, either. So, Colt will know him already. @@ Round Two - Torrey Smith, WR/KR, 6-1, 205, Maryland The Browns missed out on Green, Blackmon is a higher ranked Torrey Smith. But, Blackmon didn't impress all that much in his bowl game... Smith did. This kid is fast, tough, smart, elusive... the Browns would be fortunate bigtime, if this kid hasn't been stolen ealier. Compare him and Blackmon. You will like this pick. Round Three - Marcus Gilbert, OT, 6-5, 320, Florida Big guy, powerful, quick feet, doesn't give up sacks but rarely, if ever, quick 40 time is 5.12 sec. The Browns' entire offense is hindered by very poor RT play. There are other tackles they could pick later, but Gilbert is far and away better, I think. I look to the 4th and 5th rounds for a cb, and a smallish, fast, hard hitting small school DE/LB, not in that order maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I like these picks... We need heckert to hit on several picks to help the team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Round one - 6th pick - Marcel Darius, DE/DL, Alabama Because A. J. Green is drafted already because the oustanding Stanford qb is standing pat on his decision to stay in college. The wr will have to wait til the second round - don't worry, the Browns will get their Blackmon in the second round. Really. The Browns MUST get a major pass rush going, and boost their 3 man front in the process if they are going to stay with the 3-4. But, if they go 4-3, this guy is still the perfect pick: (I lost the link, forget where I saw this blurb - had cut and pasted it into Notepad) "What makes this guy such a highly touted prospect is his freakish athletic ability. Dareus is 6'4", 300 lbs and runs a 4.5 second 40 yard dash. Pass rushing has become crucial in the NFL as we've seen some great talent at the quarterback position emerge. " BTW, this guy knocked Colt McCoy so hard on a hit, he had to leave the game. It wasn't a dirty hit, either. So, Colt will know him already. @@ Round Two - Torrey Smith, WR/KR, 6-1, 205, Maryland The Browns missed out on Green, Blackmon is a higher ranked Torrey Smith. But, Blackmon didn't impress all that much in his bowl game... Smith did. This kid is fast, tough, smart, elusive... the Browns would be fortunate bigtime, if this kid hasn't been stolen ealier. Compare him and Blackmon. You will like this pick. Round Three - Marcus Gilbert, OT, 6-5, 320, Florida Big guy, powerful, quick feet, doesn't give up sacks but rarely, if ever, quick 40 time is 5.12 sec. The Browns' entire offense is hindered by very poor RT play. There are other tackles they could pick later, but Gilbert is far and away better, I think. I look to the 4th and 5th rounds for a cb, and a smallish, fast, hard hitting small school DE/LB, not in that order maybe... I will agree that we may not go for any big WR's if Green is gone just like we didn't go for any big Safeties after Berry was gone last year. But I just don't see us going tackle in the third round. We will have Pashos back next year and if we feel he isn't good enough we make another RT pick up in FA. I personally don't think we go into the 3rd round without taking Casey Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 nfldraftscout has Mathews going 4th or 5th round. I'd like Casey as a 3rd round pick, only if the Browns are going to a 4-3. He's only 6-1, 238 - that's small for a 3-4, in my dumb opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
next2nothing Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 nfldraftscout has Mathews going 4th or 5th round. I'd like Casey as a 3rd round pick, only if the Browns are going to a 4-3. He's only 6-1, 238 - that's small for a 3-4, in my dumb opinion... I think whoever we bring in next will switch us back to the 4 - 3. All the likely candidates seem to be on 4 - 3 teams. Or ran a 4 - 3 defnse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirtfan Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'll wait until the combine to believe that Marcel Dareus can truly run a 4.5 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns57 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 nfldraftscout has Mathews going 4th or 5th round. I'd like Casey as a 3rd round pick, only if the Browns are going to a 4-3. He's only 6-1, 238 - that's small for a 3-4, in my dumb opinion... That may be a little small but at the same time I think we will see his stock rise to the 3rd round or even higher by the time the draft comes around. He hasn't played in his bowl game yet. If he performs well on that stage that would be huge for him. I hope the Browns have learned their lesson and will not ignore him like they did his brother. I would be shocked given the family history if he is not at the very least an above average NFL linebacker. Not to mention the excitement the Browns organization would give fans by having this guy on our team. Or we could just ignore him and take a flyer on another potential bust at linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Round one - 6th pick - Marcel Darius, DE/DL, Alabama Because A. J. Green is drafted already because the oustanding Stanford qb is standing pat on his decision to stay in college. The wr will have to wait til the second round - don't worry, the Browns will get their Blackmon in the second round. Really. The Browns MUST get a major pass rush going, and boost their 3 man front in the process if they are going to stay with the 3-4. But, if they go 4-3, this guy is still the perfect pick: (I lost the link, forget where I saw this blurb - had cut and pasted it into Notepad) "What makes this guy such a highly touted prospect is his freakish athletic ability. Dareus is 6'4", 300 lbs and runs a 4.5 second 40 yard dash. Pass rushing has become crucial in the NFL as we've seen some great talent at the quarterback position emerge. " BTW, this guy knocked Colt McCoy so hard on a hit, he had to leave the game. It wasn't a dirty hit, either. So, Colt will know him already. @@ Round Two - Torrey Smith, WR/KR, 6-1, 205, Maryland The Browns missed out on Green, Blackmon is a higher ranked Torrey Smith. But, Blackmon didn't impress all that much in his bowl game... Smith did. This kid is fast, tough, smart, elusive... the Browns would be fortunate bigtime, if this kid hasn't been stolen ealier. Compare him and Blackmon. You will like this pick. Round Three - Marcus Gilbert, OT, 6-5, 320, Florida Big guy, powerful, quick feet, doesn't give up sacks but rarely, if ever, quick 40 time is 5.12 sec. The Browns' entire offense is hindered by very poor RT play. There are other tackles they could pick later, but Gilbert is far and away better, I think. I look to the 4th and 5th rounds for a cb, and a smallish, fast, hard hitting small school DE/LB, not in that order maybe... Cal, Those are some pretty good picks, I live in Alabama and have watched Marcel Darius play and he is a monster, the only thing that worries me about him is that he has a ton of talent around him that helps him look a tad better than he is right now. The thing is, he is still young and will grow a bit, and will be a beast. I have also watched the Dl Nick Fairley from Auburn, and he is a show stopper. I can't wait till monday to see how he is going to do against the speedy Oregon Ducks. I have a feeling that we will sign a few more people VIA freeageny this year then usual. They will most likely go after a top tier WR in freeagency or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEVELandMILIDH Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 nfldraftscout has Mathews going 4th or 5th round. I'd like Casey as a 3rd round pick, only if the Browns are going to a 4-3. He's only 6-1, 238 - that's small for a 3-4, in my dumb opinion... Who knows he may be a late bloomer, still young at 21. With D'Qwell now a FA and ancient backups, Bowens and Barton, we could use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I also would not like to bank on Hardesty coming back, so I have a later round RB suggestion (assuming a WC offense). OSU's Brandon Saine is fast, a very good receiver, & would spell Hillis. I don't know just where he would go in the draft, but could he be a sleeper who may last awhile? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepwrite Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Good mock, Cal. If the Browns can get a top f/a WR, I could see something like this. But Torrey Smith had 2 catches for 10 yards in his minor bowl game. He's also not the big YAC guy we'd want for the WCO... but if we already picked up Vincent Jackson, it could be a guy like Broyles or Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Good mock, Cal. If the Browns can get a top f/a WR, I could see something like this. But Torrey Smith had 2 catches for 10 yards in his minor bowl game. He's also not the big YAC guy we'd want for the WCO... but if we already picked up Vincent Jackson, it could be a guy like Broyles or Smith. No more Broyles Ryan Broyles will return to Sooners. Associated Press NORMAN, Okla. -- All-American wide receiver Ryan Broyles is coming back to Oklahoma for his senior season, saying he believes he can get himself "better prepared for the NFL." Broyles set school records this season with 131 receptions for 1,622 yards and also eclipsed the Sooners' career records for receptions, yardage and touchdowns. His decision Thursday comes one day after linebacker Travis Lewis announced he would return to Oklahoma next season with the goal of pursuing a national championship. Broyles says he wants to "win more championships and break every record possible as a receiver" and considers himself fortunate to have the players around him to accomplish his goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepwrite Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Luck and Broyles out. Ouch. Hurts us in two very different ways. Luck pulling out moves Green up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Luck and Broyles out. Ouch. Hurts us in two very different ways. Luck pulling out moves Green up. All I know is the Other QBs and thier agents need to call Andrew Luck and thank him for making them more money. AJ Green will for sure be gone now, and Broyles was my sleeper pick in the 2nd round, but now next year he will probably be a first. Also I love how ESPN is talking about how much money Luck is losing out on instead of saying that yound man has a good head on his shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
next2nothing Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 All I know is the Other QBs and thier agents need to call Andrew Luck and thank him for making them more money. AJ Green will for sure be gone now, and Broyles was my sleeper pick in the 2nd round, but now next year he will probably be a first. Also I love how ESPN is talking about how much money Luck is losing out on instead of saying that yound man has a good head on his shoulders. ESPN are taints. Along with cheering this week when Mangini got fired they are putting down a kid who goes back to college to finish his degree instead of opting for millions and fame. Luck will get this $ and fame eventually, school is something that will go beyond pro football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
why cant we win Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i remember a few years ago (not saying anyone on this board) when espn and ppl were saying that clay wasnt going to be that good and wat not well i dont want to see the browns pass on another matthews they have history and they seem to have a way to become something great and have a nose for the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonedawg Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I think this is a moot topic until we get a head coach. That will determine a lot of our draft strategy. If it is Holmgren, the emphasis will be on offense. If someone else, who knows. What I do know is that you can't hire a HC and expect him to have no say in who plays on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 It's quite moot, yes, but it's fun ! I may even be right. But, Shep IS right - I didn't get to see the military bowl, I thought they played N. Carolina state in the bowl game, my bad. I can't tell how much he played in the bowl game, but Maryland won huge - I imagine the 2nd and 3rd strings got a good bit of time... He WAS great in that NC game, though: *********************************** http://www.testudotimes.com/2010/11/27/183...n-c-state-38-31 He made quite the statement to the scouts, with a record-setting performance of 14 catches for 224 yards and four TDs. 11/30/10 - ACC WEEK 13 OFFENSIVE BACK OF THE WEEK: Torrey Smith, Maryland, WR, Jr., 6-1, 205, Colonial Beach, Va. (Stafford), turned in one of the most outstanding performances by a receiver in Maryland history, setting the school's single-game record with four touchdown receptions, while setting career highs with 14 receptions and 224 receiving yards as Maryland knocked off No. 21 NC State 38-31. His receiving yardage is the third most in a single game in school history and 18th-most on the ACC books, while his receptions are just two off the ACC mark. Smith's 1,045 yards are the second-most in a season in school history. Smith finished the regular season with 12 TD catches, which is a Maryland record and is tied for the ninth most in a season in ACC history. In addition to his receiving yards, Smith had 48 kickoff return yards, giving him 272 all-purpose yards in the game. He broke Lamont Jordan's school record for career all-purpose yards, and his 5,183 yards ranks seventh on the ACC career list. - ACC football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I agree with some of the others, Luck deciding to stay in school means AJ Green will almost certainly be off the board, which raises the likelihood of the Browns going D with their first pick or trying to trade down. If we go WR in the second, I'll have to tune in Pitt's Bowl game Saturday to check out his guy- Walter's draft has us taking him in the second round, assuming he decides to declare. Jon Baldwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Baldwin is a talent, for sure. But, he ran his mouth bigtime, putting down his coaches and qb for seemingly trying to "Hurt his draft stock"... He's a future Ocho Stinko. I'd pass. The concern is also that he seems to usually have db's right with him when he's catching passes - maybe not a wr who can get separation in the pros.... I like Smith. @@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 This dude is on crack if he thinks Darius is running any where near a 4.5 40. He is a freak but he isnt as dominant as Id like risk if were going to gamble and move him into a 3-4. If at all possible we should trade back 10 spots and look for someone like DE C. Jordan from Cal. 6-1 238 isnt bad for a MIKE LB in a 3-4. P. Willis was listed at 242 coming out of Ole Miss and they said his playing weight was more then likely around 235. I like Matthews intensity and thats really what our D is missing in the middle. I want someone to attack the LOS instead of waiting for the RB to plow into them. A WR that isnt getting mentioned on this board and is my favorite in the 2nd round is T. Young. He is a perfect slot/big play reciever. He reminds of a poor mans Desean Jackson, or maybe a Dexter McCluster. If our draft came out looking like this Id cream my pants RD1- C. Jordan DE RD2- T. Young WR RD3- C. Matthews ILB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepwrite Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The Browns need for a #1 who fits the WCO -- size, YAC potential -- is so intense, it's tough to see us trying to wait until round 2 to find a "right now" guy. If we don't sign a Malcolm Floyd in free agency, I'd look for the Browns to either use that 6 on a WR or trade down and get one just a little lower. Michael Floyd is slotted to go in the 20 area. Most people have Baldwin in that area, too. The OK State kid (name suddenly left me) is closer to top 10 and Julio Jones is around the top 10, too. All three are big guys who can run like backs with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I also would not like to bank on Hardesty coming back, so I have a later round RB suggestion (assuming a WC offense). OSU's Brandon Saine is fast, a very good receiver, & would spell Hillis. I don't know just where he would go in the draft, but could he be a sleeper who may last awhile? Mike Saine will last a while because he has proven that he is just not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 nfldraftscout has Mathews going 4th or 5th round. I'd like Casey as a 3rd round pick, only if the Browns are going to a 4-3. He's only 6-1, 238 - that's small for a 3-4, in my dumb opinion... I would think that he would be able to transition well to OLB if brought into a 3-4 defense. He's a good pass rusher just like his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Saine will last a while because he has proven that he is just not that good. I agree. Watched Brandon closely because he's from the Dayton area. Has track speed (I believe he won the 110 state hurdles championship) but isn't elusive, or particularly tough. Fairly good hands. Late round pick for someone- big career in the NFL- highly doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I agree. Watched Brandon closely because he's from the Dayton area. Has track speed (I believe he won the 110 state hurdles championship) but isn't elusive, or particularly tough. Fairly good hands. Late round pick for someone- big career in the NFL- highly doubtful. There is a reason Saine went from sharing reps with Boom Heron to only being in on 10% of the snaps. He might turn into a Danny Woodhead type of player, but that is a long stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 RD1- C. Jordan DE RD2- T. Young WR RD3- C. Matthews ILB ************************* With no trade down, the Browns would never draft Jordan, the #5 rated DE, over the #1 rated DE/DL. This isn't any hit on Jordan, though. Jordan would be a cool pick later. He has scouts grading him out as a top twenty talent.... But, I'm always full of crap on wanting trade downs, so I avoided that scenario this year. GGG Titus Young is spectacular, but he's 5'11", 175 lbs and is more a slot receiver. the Browns need a bigger target for their #1 WR. I went with Torrey Smith because of his size over Young. They are both worth the second round pick. As for Mathews, he'd be a fine pick, but I'm still pouting we didn't land his brother... and I am a huge oline fan. The guy I picked in the third round, can also play LT in a pinch. The last time I checked, the Browns don't even have a backup for Joe Thomas. Just my goofy thoughts on the draft. Thanks for the input everybody ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehammer Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Darius is the best defensive linemen I saw all season. If the Browns could get him at six and still get a quality WR in the second round, it will be a terrific way to start the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Darius is the best defensive linemen I saw all season. If the Browns could get him at six and still get a quality WR in the second round, it will be a terrific way to start the draft. I will admit he looks good and I will also agree that the only WR we should be taking at the 6th pick is Green and if we can't get him we should try to move back otherwise we should use the pick on a DE. Darius is good because he is an ideal DT in a 4-3 and an ideal DE in a 3-4. Even if his 40 time is off I'm sure it's not off by much and it isn't unheard of for someone his size to run a 4.5. Plus I think it's funny that he is the one who hurt Colts shoulder during the championship game. I bet Colt gets Darius to sign his shoulder if we end up drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 300 pounders dont run 4.5s that is very unheard of. That OT Campbell ran a 4.7 or 4.8 and everyone went ape sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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