The Gipper Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Here is one ranking of the Best QBs of all time: http://www.squidoo.com/greatestquarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 This can't be, football didn't exist before 1967. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I've got Graham #1 and Montana #2. I think when it is all said and done Manning will be #3, Brady #4 and I think I have Baugh ahead of Unitas at #5. Zombo Agrees with Zombini!! My list is based on winning and intangables but heres My list: 1. Otto Graham: Defined the QB position in the NFL as far as Im concerned. 2. Joe Montana: May have been the best ever at reading defenses and using his weapons to take advantage of matchups. 3. Terry Bradshaw: His undenying will and fortitude to win games was incredible...I hated the SOB LOL! 4. Tom Brady: About as Montanesque as one could get and his accuracy is off the charts. 5. John Elway: This one hurt to acknowledge for obviouse reasons but the guy could flat out beat you and win. 6. Johnny Unitas: The term "Field General" applies here....He was My fave QB to watch as a little kid. 7. Kenny Stabler: The guy could read defenses..Nickel and Dime you to death and then kill you with the bomb. 8. Roger Staubach: Another in the line of being a true Field General. Could read defenses well and could scramble and beat you on the run. 9. Bart Starr: A guy who literally had no arm to speak of yet led his Packers to championships. 10. Peyton Manning: When it comes to timing, accuracy and efficiency...They dont come much better. Honorable mentions go to Dan Marino,Brett Favre and Joe Namath...All 3 had wicked arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 An "Old Timer" that perhaps should be given some due is Benny Friedman. He played for the Giants in the late 20s and 30s and he became essentially the prototype for the modern pocket QB. I mean, they even changed the rule book for him. Before, a forward pass could not be thrown unless the QB was 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. When he came along they changed it to the line of scrimmage, where of course it still is today. He was essentially the Brett Favre/Dan Marino of his day. Friedman held all the passing records until the likes of Luckman and Baugh came along. It is just that he played so long ago and under such different circumstances that history doesn't remember him that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowburn Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 An "Old Timer" that perhaps should be given some due is Benny Friedman. He played for the Giants in the late 20s and 30s and he became essentially the prototype for the modern pocket QB. I mean, they even changed the rule book for him. Before, a forward pass could not be thrown unless the QB was 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. When he came along they changed it to the line of scrimmage, where of course it still is today. He was essentially the Brett Favre/Dan Marino of his day. Friedman held all the passing records until the likes of Luckman and Baugh came along. It is just that he played so long ago and under such different circumstances that history doesn't remember him that well. What was the league trying to accomplish with the line of scrimmage rule change? What advantage/disavantage would this place with a pocket QB? I'm stumped....I know, no big surprise... Help me Gippmeister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 What was the league trying to accomplish with the line of scrimmage rule change? What advantage/disavantage would this place with a pocket QB? I'm stumped....I know, no big surprise... Help me Gippmeister! I guess they were just trying to open the game up more to the passing game by changing the permissible passing zone from 5 yards behind to the scrimmage line. I mean they truly have been evolving rules to allow for more passing for the past 80+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 For my Money Terry Bradshaw is the best QB who ever lived. The only QB who ever won 4 SB rings, the only QB who WILL ever win 4 SB rings. Let me deflate your arguments ahead of time. as great as LYNN SWANN<HARRIS, THE STEEL CURTAIN, THE GREAT OL and all the other players were? When Bradshaw didn't play........... all that greatness couldn't win shit. On game day........when you needed a Touchdown, Nobody, and I mean nobody rose to the playoffs like Terry Bradshaw. Marino? Spent so much time crying and fixing his poofy hair he couldn't get his team to respect and play their hearts out for him. Montana? BLow me. He had Eddie Debartolo paying players under th table to stack the team with great players. When he went to KC he looked like a sissy bitch. Otto? Can't say a bad thing about him, OTHER THAN........... move over. FOUR, count them.................. FOUR SB championships. Except, of course Ghoolie Montana did also win 4 SB Titles as QB of the 49ers. Bradshaw was not the only one with 4. Just thought I would point that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Except, of course Ghoolie Montana did also win 4 SB Titles as QB of the 49ers. Bradshaw was not the only one with 4. Just thought I would point that out. I believe Montana had 3,,,young won the 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I believe Montana had 3,,,young won the 4th Montana has 4: 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989. Young was the QB for the 49ers 1994 title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Super Bowl winning QBs: Bart Starr 2 Joe Namath 1 Len Dawson 1 John Unitas/Morrall (duties shared in season and in game) 1 Roger Staubach 2 Bob Griese 2 Terry Bradshaw 4 Ken Stabler 1 Jim Plunkett 2 Joe Montana 4 Joe Theismann 1 Jim McMahon 1 Phil Simms 1 Mark Rypien 1 Jeff Hostetler 1 Doug Williams 1 Troy Aikman 3 Brett Favre 1 John Elway 2 Kurt Warner 1 Trent Dilfer 1 Tom Brady 3 Brad Johnson 1 Ben Roethlisberger 2 Payton Manning 1 Eli Manning 1 Drew Brees 1 In case you were counting that was 6 titles by guys named Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squintz Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Super Bowl winning QBs: Bart Starr 2 Joe Namath 1 Len Dawson 1 John Unitas/Morrall (duties shared in season and in game) 1 Roger Staubach 2 Bob Griese 2 Terry Bradshaw 4 Ken Stabler 1 Jim Plunkett 2 Joe Montana 4 Joe Theismann 1 Jim McMahon 1 Phil Simms 1 Mark Rypien 1 Jeff Hostetler 1 Doug Williams 1 Troy Aikman 3 Brett Favre 1 John Elway 2 Kurt Warner 1 Trent Dilfer 1 Tom Brady 3 Brad Johnson 1 Ben Roethlisberger 2 Payton Manning 1 Eli Manning 1 Drew Brees 1 In case you were counting that was 6 titles by guys named Joe. Colt McCoy 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Colt McCoy 5 we can only hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepwrite Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I kind of stick to "post WCO" years, since Walsh and Montana, because the challenges and judging criteria changed so dramatically. Quarterbacks are now expected to complete around 65 percent of their passes and throws AT LEAST twice as many TDs and INTs. Nobody came remotely close to those numbers before. There are guys who have defined the league since then: Montana, Marino, Young, Aikman, Elway, Favre, Brady, and Manning. Just outside of that are Warner and Brees. I fully expect Aaron Rodgers to be included fairly soon, maybe two more years. After three years, he's the highest rated passer in both regular season and playoffs... but needs to do it longer and preferably win something. It pains me, but Roethlisberger has already won two Super Bowls and has to be included in that conversation. From those finalists, I would pull out Young (shorter career) and Aikman (wasn't asked to do as much) and Favre (played his team out of as many playoffs as into them, no Super Bowl for the last 12, 13 years of his career). I'd keep Montana, Marino, Elway, Brady, and Manning on that list, at least in my humble opinion. From there? Really a matter of taste. Some remove Marino for never winning the Super Bowl... but I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I was never a Jim Kelly fan, as he pointed fingers at his teammates when things broke down. I'm still amazed he got into Canton so quickly knowing his tendency to shirk blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I was never a Jim Kelly fan, as he pointed fingers at his teammates when things broke down. I'm still amazed he got into Canton so quickly knowing his tendency to shirk blame. Kelly was pretty damn good but never made Me think I need to go out and get him for My team....If hes in the HOF then Bernie should be in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Kelly was pretty damn good but never made Me think I need to go out and get him for My team....If hes in the HOF then Bernie should be in too. I hear you...Kelly was probably the 5th best QB in the AFC at the time (Marino, Esiason, Kosar, Moon), but he's in the HOF. I think Bernie's career was derailed by the elbow injury in KC, so no HOF for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzadeliveryguy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Bradshaw is the single most overrated QB in the history of the NFL. He really wasn't very good. It amazes me that "experts" continuously rank him in the top 50 let alone the top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Bradshaw is the single most overrated QB in the history of the NFL. He really wasn't very good. It amazes me that "experts" continuously rank him in the top 50 let alone the top 15. you could make a fair case that Bradshaw wasnt a great reader of defenses...he even said and I qoute "I really didnt have great vision...we had 3 plays..run the the ball..throw to the back or tight end in the flat or throw deep down the sideline"...But his will and swagger was exceptional...I dont care what anyone says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 +1 ... Some QB's define their team.... some QB's fit their team's personality and Bradshaw is a fine example of the latter... as are Stabler and McMahon... My all-timer has to be Montana... rings or not he was so accurate.... so clutch. One that I see as underrated was Warren Moon... numbers aside due to the Run & Shoot, he had a very strong arm and was accurrate as hell... few, if any, threw a better long ball. And I think Manning or Brady have a great shot at #2 before all is said and done in their careers... McCoy??? Way too early to tell, but I'd settle for him in the Browns top 5, which I see as: 1. Otto 2. Brian 3. Bernie 4. Dr. Frank 5. Bill Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzadeliveryguy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 you could make a fair case that Bradshaw wasnt a great reader of defenses...he even said and I qoute "I really didnt have great vision...we had 3 plays..run the the ball..throw to the back or tight end in the flat or throw deep down the sideline"...But his will and swagger was exceptional...I dont care what anyone says. If by his will and swagger you mean Franco Harris and his defense then I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNSofSTEEL08 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Nice list... But MAny QBs on that list would Have a Major Hard time in Todays NFL. Like it or not...its True. Should be split into ERAs... 30s 40s the Formative ERA. 50`s 60`s the Original Contemporary ERA. 70s 80s the Modern ERA. and 90`s to Today the Advanced Modern ERA. The last Few Yrs of Each ERA do Overlap into the Next... But this list is NOT APPLES to APPLES ! If you think it is you are fooling yourself ! Now maybe a couple Exception exist... But Guys that played in the 50s and before ... thats a TALL TASK ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I stand humbly corrected. See, this is why STAN's board is THE place to post. Now, admittedly, you guys are ugly and have small penises, but you DO know your football. I'll STILL take Bradshaw. How can you say Browns Board patrons have small penises. Why, here is a photo taken at one of our tailgate parties in The Flats: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Nice list... But MAny QBs on that list would Have a Major Hard time in Todays NFL. Like it or not...its True. Should be split into ERAs... 30s 40s the Formative ERA. 50`s 60`s the Original Contemporary ERA. 70s 80s the Modern ERA. and 90`s to Today the Advanced Modern ERA. The last Few Yrs of Each ERA do Overlap into the Next... But this list is NOT APPLES to APPLES ! If you think it is you are fooling yourself ! Now maybe a couple Exception exist... But Guys that played in the 50s and before ... thats a TALL TASK ! I disagree. I believe those old time QBs could have easily adopted to today's game. I am sure most of them had the intelligence and capability of playing now. "Todays" QBs may trend to be a little taller. As I have said many times, Otto Graham ran what was essentially the WCO of his day. He could have run it now. Saying that those QBs could not exceed now would be like saying that, say, Bob Feller could not have pitched now. Bob Feller had a 98-100 mph fastball. That is fast now, then, any time. And these QBs could have played no as well.Now, if you had said that a 230 lb. offensive lineman couldn't play today, that is a horse of a different color. That would be true, but, those 230 OL in 1950 would probably be 300 lb. linemen today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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