Nw220 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I know Tom Heckert is the GM so does he make all the calls as far as who he picks and when or what?? Because i remember Holmgrem was lobbying for Colt there in the 3rd and said grab him and therefor did... I just have a question does Heckert make all the decisions until the Walrus maybe sees someone he likes and tells Heckert he has to grab him??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandSound Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I know Tom Heckert is the GM so does he make all the calls as far as who he picks and when or what?? Because i remember Holmgrem was lobbying for Colt there in the 3rd and said grab him and therefor did... I just have a question does Heckert make all the decisions until the Walrus maybe sees someone he likes and tells Heckert he has to grab him??? Last year Mangini and Heckert made the picks. They told Holmgren who they were picking before doing the picking but they obviously had free reign. It was only McCoy who Holmgren pulled rank for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRREBEL Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Yeah I hope heckert makes all the pics.. I want a job like holmgren has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Last year Mangini and Heckert made the picks. They told Holmgren who they were picking before doing the picking but they obviously had free reign. It was only McCoy who Holmgren pulled rank for. Mangini and the coaches had very little to do with the draft selections last year. If they did they wouldn't have drafted Joe Haden because neither Mangini or Rayn thought much of him. The whole draft goes to Heckert except for the McCoy pick... and we actually wouldn't have picked McCoy if the DT that Heckert wanted to pick hadn't been picked earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Mangini and the coaches had very little to do with the draft selections last year. If they did they wouldn't have drafted Joe Haden because neither Mangini or Rayn thought much of him. where was it ever said that mangini and ryan thought nothing of haden or that mangini had nothing to do with the draft? point me to the source please. never heard that. and when doesn't a head coach not have anything to do with the draft? aren't they picking the guys that fit their system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 where was it ever said that mangini and ryan thought nothing of haden or that mangini had nothing to do with the draft? point me to the source please. never heard that. and when doesn't a head coach not have anything to do with the draft? aren't they picking the guys that fit their system? Okay so that would mean Pat Shurmur would be also making the selections?? if it were up to me id leave it all to Heckert ecspically after the draft he had last year, with a lil love to the Walrus in the 3rd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Okay so that would mean Pat Shurmur would be also making the selections?? if it were up to me id leave it all to Heckert ecspically after the draft he had last year, with a lil love to the Walrus in the 3rd round i'm not saying that the HC alone is making the picks, i'm saying (and hoping this would be the case) that it's a joint decision. although i doubt that holmgren will let shurmer do much draft day. shurmer will probably put in his wish list which holmgren will look over like santa on christmas eve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Okay so that would mean Pat Shurmur would be also making the selections?? if it were up to me id leave it all to Heckert ecspically after the draft he had last year, with a lil love to the Walrus in the 3rd round In the end, it is Heckert hold holds the final say over the coach. But it isn't realistic to think the coach doesn't have any input.....it may come down to two players who the GM is equally good with...then he asks the coach....who do you want?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Yeah I am pretty sure when Holmgren says Mike and Tom are they to support Eric and get him who he wants/needs, that means the coach has a say in the draft process. He may not have a huge responsibility in the scouting process, but when the player list is whittled down the coach does his homework. I would say it would be silly for any organization not to include the coach on draft day selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 The GM will work to try and provide the guys that coach wants, how much influence a coach actually has as to who gets selected depends very much on the GM and his relationship with the coach and or the system rules put in place by the owner/president... I recall rumblings about ryan and mangini preferring wilson over haden and griping privately over it, it was found out to be generated from rex ryans big mouth and there was obviously some truth to it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 it was found out to be generated from rex ryans big mouth and there was obviously some truth to it.. gips, that's a joke right? i mean rex ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 At this point I doubt Heckert has seen many prospects up close. This isn't like Savage who wanted to rack up the airline and hotel points. Shurmer will be heading out checking out guys at the various games and combines/pro days when Heck does. Think of it this way...these guys get along and think alike. Everybody on this board has other posters who you get along with and think along similar lines, and others you think are complete idiots. If you were to hire someone to be your assistant, or coach, or whatever, I assume you would forget the people you don't get along with and would start with the ones you do. Just human nature. All of these guys get along and think in a similar fashion, so any disagreement on who we want and what we need are going to be pretty darn close. There may be some minor sticking points here and there, but one guy isn't going to start smack talking and the other guy plotting how to get even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I just remember stories on the Plainsdealer and espn saying the Rob Ryan had Haden as the 2nd or 3rd best corner back in the draft meaning that they wanted to either A:pick another corner, or B: pick from another position. Obviously Rob wasn't mad about the pick once he saw Haden in training camp and during the season, but it still stands that if they went off his advice and Mangini's advice, they would have gone a different route in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I just remember stories on the Plainsdealer and espn saying the Rob Ryan had Haden as the 2nd or 3rd best corner back in the draft meaning that they wanted to either A:pick another corner, or B: pick from another position. Obviously Rob wasn't mad about the pick once he saw Haden in training camp and during the season, but it still stands that if they went off his advice and Mangini's advice, they would have gone a different route in the draft. Excatly why i want Heckert to be making alot of the selections, Joe Haden was a great pick for us as well as Ward and if Shurmur or are new DC want someone else that Heckert dosent think is right as pointed out last year i hope he stays true to his goal and draft who he thinks best fits this team..BTW who called the shots in Philly mostly Heckert or Reid??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddybull1 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Didn't someone once say - if I'm expected to cook the meal then I should have imput into buying the groceries??? The GM has to work hand in hand with the head coach.. Currently in Cleveland that loop also involves the team president... Yea, Bill Parcells said something of that nature when, as a coach, he was left out of the loop on draft day.... IMO that is one of the reasons that this regime has a chance to be successful in Cleveland... All 3 know each other, trust each other and respect the collective football knowledge that each possess... This is the consumate being on the same page scenario.... Seems we finally have a football machine in Berea rather than ego's that need stroked.... Peace T.Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRU STatus Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 By dividing up the power, Holmgren believes the Browns will function more effectively. And while the control is split, Holmgren's goal is to have consensus on all major decisions. "It will continue to be my hope that the decisions this organization makes going forward will be handled by these fellas right here," he said. "I trust them. I believe in them. They're good football people. If we pick a player in the draft, whatever we do, it's a decision that has been thought through, come to a conclusion by a lot of discussion, maybe some argument. But at the end of the day, it's a Cleveland Browns decision." http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...2-mangini_N.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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