The Gipper Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 This subject came up on the radio this morning: In the history of Pro Football in America, which team has had the best collection of Quarterbacks play for them? The discussion was prompted by the fact that the Packers now have the "Hot" QB in the NFL in Aaron Rodgers, and looking back in the Packers history they have had of course now Rodgers, and Favre, and Bart Starr etc. So, what team do you think has had the best QBs in history? I will do some of my own research on the subject, but anyon chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 For purposes of this, I am basically ignoring QBs that may have had a "cup of coffee" with a team, e.g. Montana with the Chiefs or Johnny U. with the Chargers, that sort of thing. Here is a list of the NFL teams and some of the quality QBs they have had. (HOF highligted): Cardinals: Charley Johnson, Jim Hart, Neil Lomax, Jake Plummer, Kurt Warner Bills: Jack Kemp, Joe Ferguson, Jim Kelly Bears: George Blanda, Sid Luckman, Jim McMahon, Bill Wade Browns: Otto Graham, Frank Ryan, Bill Nelsen, Brian Sipe, Bernie Kosar, Tim Couch Cowboys: Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo Broncos: Craig Morton, John Elway, Jake Plummer Lions: Bobby Layne Packers: Arnie Herber, Tobin Rote, Bart Starr, Lynn Dickey, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers Colts: Johnny Unitas, Bert Jones, Peyton Manning Chiefs: Len Dawson, Bill Kenney, Trent Green Dolphins: Bob Griese, Dan Marino Vikings: Fran Tarkenton, Joe Kapp, Daunte Culpepper Patriots: Babe Parilli, Steve Grogan, Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady Giants: George Conerly, Benny Friedman, Y.A. Tittle, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning Jets: Joe Namath, Richard Todd, Ken O'Brien, Chad Pennington Raiders: Darryl Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Marc Wilson, Rich Gannon Eagles: Norm Van Brocklin, Norm Snead, Sonny Jurgenson, Ron Jaworski, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb Steelers: Terry Bradshaw, Neil O'Donnel, Ben Roethlisberger Chargers: John Hadl, Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries, Philip Rivers 49ers: Y.A. Tittle, John Brodie, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia Rams: Bob Waterfield, Norm Van Brocklin, Roman Gabriel, Vince Ferragamo, Jim Everett, Kurt Warner Oilers/Titan: George Blanda, Dan Pastorini, Warren Moon, Steve McNair Redskins: Sammy Baugh, Sonny Jurgenson, Joe Theismann Falcons: Steve Bartkowski, Chris Chandler, Mike Vick, Ryan Bengals: Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Carson Palmer Saints: Archie Manning, Bobby Hebert, Drew Brees Buccaneers: Doug Williams, Vinny Testaverde, Brad Johnson Seahawks: Jim Zorn, Dave Kreig, Matt Hasselback Jaguars: Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich, David Garrard Texans: David Carr, Matt Schaub Panthers: Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme Ravens: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco So, how would you rate the best group, give say Top 5. And how about the worst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Note of course that though they weren't highlighted, the likes of Brady, Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, and Brett Favre are pretty sure fire HOFers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I think the teams with the top QB class is probably The Packers. Two are in: Herber, Starr, plus Favre a shoe in, plus the current hottest QB going. Next I think is the Giants, 3 HOFs withe Tittle, Friedman and Tarkenton (though Tark played 5-6 years with Giants he made his name with the Vikings). It remains to be seen if Eli Manning will become a HOF caliber QB. Not yet. Third is the 49ers with Montana and Young, and Tittle (again though, Tittle, despite playing about 7-8 years with the 49ers, is best known as a Giant). Honestly, the worst I think is The Lions. Since Bobby Layne in the 50s they have not had a consistent QB play for that team. I mean the only guys that have QBd that team for like 4-5 years have been names like Eric Hipple, Joey Harrington and Scott Mitchell. NOT stellar at all. For their sake, maybe Matt Stafford will become something decent. Other teams that have not had much QB success have not been around nearly as long, like the Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 more season Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I was a at Rotary lunch that Y.A. Tittle was speaking at. He was about 75 years old at the time. He talked about playing for the niners and getting traded during a pre-season game to NY. The thing that I thought was the funniest and most admirable thing was that he had nothing good to say about Otto Graham and Paul Brown. To see a guy who still had that much competitiveness and fire at that age after accomplishing what he had was inspiring. It also reinforced the theory that PB was a football genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I was a at Rotary lunch that Y.A. Tittle was speaking at. He was about 75 years old at the time. He talked about playing for the niners and getting traded during a pre-season game to NY. The thing that I thought was the funniest and most admirable thing was that he had nothing good to say about Otto Graham and Paul Brown. To see a guy who still had that much competitiveness and fire at that age after accomplishing what he had was inspiring. It also reinforced the theory that PB was a football genius. I assume by that you mean that he wasn't being personal, just that he was essentially bitter over getting his ass beat by OG and PB time and again, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Y.A. usually ended up like this after playing the Browns: This is one of the most famous photos in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 It all depends on how many QB's you want to list. If it's a 2 man list per team then I go with 49ers. If it's a 3 man list I go with GB. and Any more then 3 I would say Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 more season Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I assume by that you mean that he wasn't being personal, just that he was essentially bitter over getting his ass beat by OG and PB time and again, right? No it wasn't personal. It came up while talking about how he called all his own plays on the field. Yes bitter about loosing to OG ad the Browns. He said he did'nt like what at the time was thought to be a gimmicky passing offense that PB and Otto ran and that PB called the plays and had them shuttled in to OG. YA also talked about how he spent a brief time as a scout for the niners and after a visit to LA Tech and seeing Bradshaw told the niners that "oh yah, he can throw the ball a mile but boy is he dumb, he cant remember the plays"he recommended that the niners not look to draft him in '70. Turned out he went 1st as we all know just imagine if he YA worked for the Steelers and made that reco to them. They may have passed on Bradshaw taken Phips at 1 leaving Bradshaw to the Browns at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go 'Losers Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Y.A. usually ended up like this after playing the Browns: This is one of the most famous photos in NFL history. That photograph was taken in Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATENEARS Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Raiders: Darryl Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Marc Wilson, Rich Gannon Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Raiders: Darryl Lamonica, Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Marc Wilson, Rich Gannon Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. Agreed i always liked Kenny Stabler he was something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. NW220 ***************************************************** Joe Namath is one of the greatest qb's I ever watched. He stayed up all night on Sat nights, talking with three ladies at one time, and still kicked ass on Sundays ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 It all depends on how many QB's you want to list. If it's a 2 man list per team then I go with 49ers. If it's a 3 man list I go with GB. and Any more then 3 I would say Dallas If you are just going with 2, I think the Colts with Unitas and Manning have the best duo, combined, those two outshine the combo of Montana and Young by a wide margin in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Kenny Stabler was the mans QB. The guy use to drink Jack Daniels during practice and kick ass on Sundays, he's worth three Tom Brady's. NW220 ***************************************************** Joe Namath is one of the greatest qb's I ever watched. He stayed up all night on Sat nights, talking with three ladies at one time, and still kicked ass on Sundays ! Just talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 OK, well, let's take this thread in a slightly different direction: Who would you rate as the Top 5 or 10 QBs of all time. Here is a list I have put together in alphabetical order that I think the primary candidates would probably come from, but certainly you are free to add to the list: Troy Aikman Sammy Baugh Terry Bradshaw Tom Brady Len Dawson John Elway Brett Favre Dan Fouts Benny Friedman Otto Graham Arner Herber Sonny Jurgenson Jim Kelly Sid Luckman Peyton Manning Dan Marino Joe Montana Warren Moon Joe Namath Bart Starr Roger Staubach Fran Tarkenton John Unitas Steve Young So, who is your Top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I dono about Manning and Unitas over Montana and Young...Id take the rings but the 49ers had better teams as opposed to say the Colts may had the better Talent at the QB position, it'd be a good agrument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I dono about Manning and Unitas over Montana and Young...Id take the rings but the 49ers had better teams as opposed to say the Colts may had the better Talent at the QB position, it'd be a good agrument I don't know how old you are, but I saw all of them play. For me, Unitas and Montana are an even match, so it would come down to who I thought was better, Young or Manning, and my vote is for Manning for a fairly wide margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Id give Montana a Slight edge over Unitas and give Manning a slight edge over Young so to me there pretty equal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I think my Top 5 QBs would be, in no order: Graham, Unitas, Montana, Elway, Manning Next 5: Marino, Baugh, Kelly, Brady, Favre....though I would have liked to squeeze Staubach in there, maybe in place of Kelly. Touch Choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 My top 5 all-time would be 1. Montana 2. Elway 3. Unitas 4. Manning 5. Marino And if Dan Marino had won atleast 1 title he would be #2. And by the end of his career Manning will be #1 on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nw220 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Wow surpirzed Manning is getting so much love hes great but he hasnt put up the great Post Season numbers yet,we will see Id go top 5 1.Montana 2.Graham 3.Unitas 4.Brady 5.Manning Also do think Marnio does deserve some love and had he won a SB would be ranked higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddybull1 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Most great QB's had GREAT teams to lead... How would you like a QB who throws an interception for every TD??? Has a 51.9% completion percentage??? Has a QB rating of 70.9??? Most of us would be bitching pretty loudly, yelling for the backup QB... In reality, those are the career numbers of Terry Bradshaw who has 4 super bowl rings and is in the hall of fame...Hmmmmm Peace T.Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Most great QB's had GREAT teams to lead... How would you like a QB who throws an interception for every TD??? Has a 51.9% completion percentage??? Has a QB rating of 70.9??? Most of us would be bitching pretty loudly, yelling for the backup QB... In reality, those are the career numbers of Terry Bradshaw who has 4 super bowl rings and is in the hall of fame...Hmmmmm Peace T.Dawg This just goes to show you how we measure QBs so much differently than they used to. Those numbers you cite were probably among the best numbers of the QBs that played contemporaneously with Bradshaw. If you look at the list of the current Top 20 in career "Passer Rating", you would that over half of the career leaders are currently active QBs. Yes, today's QBs have better completion percentages and better ratings, but the old guard generally have far greater yards per pass or completion averages. They threw the ball further and took more risks, but also got intercepted more. It is almost impossible to judge QBs from even the 70s by today's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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