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Not sure I like the direction of the draft if this is the case.

ESPN NFL Draft analyst Todd McShay believes that the Browns might roll the dice during the first and second rounds in late April.

 

In his most recent mock draft, McShay predicted the Browns will select Clemson defensive end Da'Quan Bowers sixth overall and Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith 37th overall. Both players could be labeled as risky picks.

 

The 6-foot-3, 280-pound Bowers, who had 74 tackles and led the nation with 151/2 sacks last season, is a top-four prospect in McShay's eyes. But concerns about recent surgery to repair a meniscus tear in his right knee could cause him to slide to the Browns at No. 6. Bowers' pro day is scheduled for April 1 at Clemson, and he'll also be rechecked by NFL doctors next month in Indianapolis.

 

''Some teams are concerned to the point where they think he favors the knee injury on tape,'' McShay said Wednesday during a conference call. ''There are times I could see what they're talking about. In [Clemson's game against] Florida State, there are some plays. But I'm not 100 percent sure, and I'm not a doctor. So ultimately as a personnel guy, you have to trust your medical staff. And if he's cleared and there's no long-term concerns with the knee, then you just have to evaluate him as a football player.

 

''If Cleveland passes him medically and he's there with the Browns moving to a 4-3 defense, I just think he'd be a great fit. I think you can plug him in right away. He's ready to play. [He's a] big, strong defensive end. He can play on both sides and probably is ideally suited to play left defensive end, but I think he certainly belongs in that 4-3 type of scheme.''

 

The red flags surrounding Smith stem from his off-the-field issues — a failed drug test and underage drinking — at Colorado. At the NFL Scouting Combine, the 6-2, 211-pound Smith said he made mistakes during his first two years of college but ''grew as a person.''

 

''He's a fit for the Browns because he would be a steal [early in the second round] from a talent perspective,'' McShay said of Smith. . . . ''It's one of those times when you look at it and say, 'OK. There's a lot of risk here. But maybe it's worth the potential reward, getting a mid-first-round talent that late.' ''

 

McShay said he thinks Smith, who had 70 tackles in each of the past two seasons, is neck and neck with Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara in terms of talent. McShay has the Detroit Lions taking Amukamara 13th overall.

 

''I hope [smith] gets his off-the-field issues squared away,'' McShay said. ''I hope he gets his mind right and is able to focus on playing football because if Jimmy Smith does, he has a chance to be a really good starting cornerback in the NFL. But because of that risk, there's a strong chance that he goes from where he should be drafted in the top-15 picks from a talent perspective [to] falling all the way out of the first round.''

 

 

 

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after reading the concerns on both of these guys i would be very wary of choosing either one.

 

Bowers would be awesome but two words come to my mind when thinking about picking him: modesto hardesty. hey, i hope hardesty comes back full strength and blows the doors off the nfl. but a wasted season is still a wasted season especially now in the era of 'win now' football. head coaches and gms lose their jobs because of picks that don't pan out or cost the team a whole lot of money for the guy to be sitting in street clothes on the sidelines all season.

 

and smith.........i've been to boulder, actually enjoyed the nightlife there on more than one occasion. my thought is, if he can get in trouble in boulder, can you imagine the damage he could do in cleveland???

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I think you guys are worrying too much. Eric Wright had off the field issues, and he was good until last year. They said he'd be a first rounder talent wise, same situation as Jimmy Smith. Same situation with Bowers as TJ Ward. We got a great safety even though there were injury issues. I would be super excited with Smith, but neither of these picks will happen if Peterson is there at our pick. And I doubt we take Bowers if Green is there, or maybe Dareus or Fairly.

 

The chances of us taking Bowers I feel are very slim. Either A ) He wont fall to us or B ) Someone we like more will

 

No matter who we take, we are taking a risk. These guys have never played an NFL down. Our best option is to try to trade for more picks(I am not pimping this idea, just saying it would give us more opportunity to find a player that works). Saying if we have three picks and 33%(1/3) will work out, then if we have 6 from trades and 33%(2/6) work, we're gaining a player.

 

I still want PDub or Green, not a trade.

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I don't worry about minor league stuff like underage drinking.

 

 

I mean really, who didn't drink beer before they were 21???

 

 

 

Same with smoking some pot. It's illegal, but who here hasn't.....I have.

 

 

Not since maybe 1972 when it was maybe $20 a ounce, but I have.

 

 

$20 was for no stems and seeds....a good number of flower tops.

 

 

 

What does a ounce of weed go for these days??

 

 

 

Not that any of you buy it of course, but some might know from the friend of friends friend. ;)

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I don't worry about minor league stuff like underage drinking.

 

 

I mean really, who didn't drink beer before they were 21???

 

 

 

Same with smoking some pot. It's illegal, but who here hasn't.....I have.

 

 

Not since maybe 1972 when it was maybe $20 a ounce, but I have.

 

 

$20 was for no stems and seeds....a good number of flower tops.

 

 

 

What does a ounce of weed go for these days??

 

 

 

Not that any of you buy it of course, but some might know from the friend of friends friend. ;)

 

 

 

$200 0r better...Im just sick of cleveland teams taking flyers on guys with injury histories...Hardesty,Suggs...Courtney browns...xxxx that shit!

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Speculation drives me nuts! If we put stock in all the speculation, we'll be taking about 14 players with our 6th pick! LOL

I trust in Heckert et al to make solid decisions, so here's my speculation............

"We'll see!!"

Mike

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Speculation drives me nuts! If we put stock in all the speculation, we'll be taking about 14 players with our 6th pick! LOL

I trust in Heckert et al to make solid decisions, so here's my speculation............

"We'll see!!"

Mike

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I think Dareus is the pick if he's there. Too bad there isn't a great qb list in this draft.

 

That's right - there are so many legit possibilities, we'll just have to wait and

 

find out how every single mock has been wrong.

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Speculation drives me nuts! If we put stock in all the speculation, we'll be taking about 14 players with our 6th pick! LOL

I trust in Heckert et al to make solid decisions, so here's my speculation............

"We'll see!!"

Mike

 

exactly! mcshay isn't doing nothing but giving his opinion. it's not like heckert and co. sat down and shown him their draft board.

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$200 0r better...Im just sick of cleveland teams taking flyers on guys with injury histories...Hardesty,Suggs...Courtney browns...xxxx that shit!

 

In fairness, I don't recall Brown having a injury history before he was drafted.

 

Hardesty....I agree...a risk pick being a 2nd rounder.

 

Suggs?? I don't remember the exact round in which he was selected, but it was far enough back I think the risk/reward starts to balance out.

 

No doubt about it, the only way to turn things around, then keep them turned around is you need your first two picks to pan out to be at least solid players. You hope for better but as long as they become solid pro players who could start for the better majority of teams in the league, you'll be OK.

 

If you miss out on many of those, as we have, you have to rely on pure luck some of your 4th rounders turn in to really good players for the position drafted...and that doesn't happen very often....as the Browns and it's fans can attest.

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Speak for yourself, Peen. I've never touched the stuff.

 

 

But I agree, those are minor issues. Not everybody is going to be perfect. I'd rather have the talented guy who drank underage in college than the less talented guy who's an upstanding citizen in public but beats his wife behind closed doors.

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Holmgren had one of the all time great defensive ends at Green Bay and it looks like he might see the same thing in Bowers. If they are right it will be a great pick. The Browns have said that they need starters in the draft so they might need to take some risks in order for that to happen

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If i remember correctly there was a issue regarding Hardesty's full disclosue of the significance of his knee history and the pick came back to bite

 

the Browns in the azz, at least short term. hopefully, he is well enough this year to make a contribution. i too would shy away from Bowers because of his

 

knee, but if he passes the the physical then he can't be overlooked. re smith, H & H have stated that character issues won't necessarily prevent them

 

from pulling the trigger on any choice so his backgound may not be that meaningful in the big scheme of things.

 

Bpeen, I've got to admit i dabbled in the sticky bud, but like Slick Willy i never inhaled. :blink:

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fwiw, the Jets brass deferred to the medical staff and allowed their docs to make the call on another D-linman out of Clemson in back in 1988, which is how we snapped up Michael Dean Perry...

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I would be more cautious with somebody with a history of drinking related incidents than I would be of a pot smoker. But in a society we live in there's more ramifications for a failed drug test than there is for raping a underage girl in a bathroom.

 

The best judge of character and life direction is to watch the way he judge's someone else.

 

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Speak for yourself, Peen. I've never touched the stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't speak for anybody. I simply asked the question, who here hasn't?

 

I figured maybe some haven't, but also figured the number would be pretty small.

 

 

At any rate, we agree it isn't a major problem unless the guy is a big time drunk or still blowing smoke.

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I think you guys are worrying too much. Eric Wright had off the field issues, and he was good until last year. They said he'd be a first rounder talent wise, same situation as Jimmy Smith. Same situation with Bowers as TJ Ward. We got a great safety even though there were injury issues. I would be super excited with Smith, but neither of these picks will happen if Peterson is there at our pick. And I doubt we take Bowers if Green is there, or maybe Dareus or Fairly.

 

The chances of us taking Bowers I feel are very slim. Either A ) He wont fall to us or B ) Someone we like more will

 

No matter who we take, we are taking a risk. These guys have never played an NFL down. Our best option is to try to trade for more picks(I am not pimping this idea, just saying it would give us more opportunity to find a player that works). Saying if we have three picks and 33%(1/3) will work out, then if we have 6 from trades and 33%(2/6) work, we're gaining a player.

 

I still want PDub or Green, not a trade.

 

I personally think that the safest DE picks are Watt and Jordan. Both guys have not had HUGE seasons like Fairley and Bowers, but they have had several season with good production. I would be all for falling back a few picks if one of the QB's fall to us and picking up either Watt or Jordan.

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I'd rather have the talented guy who drank underage in college than the less talented guy who's an upstanding citizen in public but beats his wife behind closed doors.

 

i agree. i just don't know to what extent his off field problems extend. i was just saying we don't want to draft the next pacman jones. yeah great player but couldn't help but go out at night and 'make it rain' considering you've got a nightclub in your basement, that's just dumb. dumb all over. and a little ugly on the side. (zappa ref.)

 

the impact DE is crucial we just gotta make sure the dude is gonna last his rookie season and far beyond. but like stated above, i think heckertt knows what he's doing.

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