Absolute Power

[Geech]

Great movie. The pairing of Clint Eastwood and Gene Hackman was pure genius.

 

We're not here to talk about that, however. What I'm trying to figure out is what exactly are fans against when they say that's what got us into all this trouble in the first place. Surely these fans just want a GM and HC that can work together.

 

Someone has to make the decisions. If the GM and HC are at odds, who is gonna make the final decision? Are you all just saying that the HC should be allowed to hire and fire his own assistants and the player personnel should be left to the GM? What happens when the GM gets Beau Bell Syndrome?

 

There must be division of labor. How would you divide the responsibilities?

 

-Al

[Guest 88fingerslewy]

A GM and HC should be like partners. With the louder voice coming from the HC. I don't want a GM where power is an afrodisiac. If Pioli is THAT guy, move on.

 

I don't want a suit strutting around with an ego as big as Lake Erie. I want a GM that will sit down with the new HC and say

 

"What do YOU think?"

 

"What do you like, that we already have?"

 

"Who should we let go?"

 

"What are YOUR needs?"

 

That's dialogue

 

Then the GM goes out and makes it happen, draft, free agency, etc

 

But, as final say goes; the HC should get the players he wants. Otherwise why stop there, let the GM call the plays too. I want to win, I couldn't give a F**K about whose in power. But don't jam something down a coach's throat because in the managerial hierarchy....your the GM

[Guest Ghoolie]

A GM and HC should be like partners. With the louder voice coming from the HC. I don't want a GM where power is an afrodisiac. If Pioli is THAT guy, move on.

 

I don't want a suit strutting around with an ego as big as Lake Erie. I want a GM that will sit down with the new HC and say

 

"What do YOU think?"

 

"What do you like, that we already have?"

 

"Who should we let go?"

 

"What are YOUR needs?"

 

That's dialogue

 

Then the GM goes out and makes it happen, draft, free agency, etc

 

But, as final say goes; the HC should get the players he wants. Otherwise why stop there, let the GM call the plays too. I want to win, I couldn't give a F**K about whose in power. But don't jam something down a coach's throat because in the managerial hierarchy....your the GM

 

 

 

What a crock of shit.

 

Here is the way it works on SUperbowl teams.

 

 

The head coach runs the show. HE tells the GM what to do, who to acquire and who to get rid of. The GM balances teh checkbook and carries out the orders of the head coach.

 

Pioli is Bellichiks bitch and Belichik could give a rats ass if Pioli leaves.

[nickers]

What a crock of shit.

 

Here is the way it works on SUperbowl teams.

 

 

The head coach runs the show. HE tells the GM what to do, who to acquire and who to get rid of. The GM balances teh checkbook and carries out the orders of the head coach.

 

Pioli is Bellichiks bitch and Belichik could give a rats ass if Pioli leaves.

 

 

 

And no one gives a shit when you leave...MORON!

[lemosley01]

Great movie. The pairing of Clint Eastwood and Gene Hackman was pure genius.

 

We're not here to talk about that, however. What I'm trying to figure out is what exactly are fans against when they say that's what got us into all this trouble in the first place. Surely these fans just want a GM and HC that can work together.

 

Someone has to make the decisions. If the GM and HC are at odds, who is gonna make the final decision? Are you all just saying that the HC should be allowed to hire and fire his own assistants and the player personnel should be left to the GM? What happens when the GM gets Beau Bell Syndrome?

 

There must be division of labor. How would you divide the responsibilities?

 

-Al

 

For the first, yes

For the second, no.

 

The coach has to field the team, coach the guys, and take the blame usually when players are performing like shit. If the buck stops with him, which it usually does, then he should be the one who makes the decisions that most influence him.

 

The GM gets a scouting department and personnel department together, and all of the other managerial type football work that needs to be done that most of us don't know about. As far as who should play and shouldn't, who should be cut and who shouldn't, that's up to the coach.

 

I know Belichick wouldn't let anyone have control over his roster. Why should any other coach.

 

I think that both of them should be considered co-equals and report to the President of football, team owner, whomever. At work we have a Chief Architect and multiple VPs; the titles may be different, but they are all equal and report to the president/CEO.

 

[NW Ohio Brownie]

I'm sorry but I have to laugh regarding all this debate about absolute power. Most of us on here want to make sure the new GM and head coach are on the same page, yet we who are Tribe fans bitch about this very same thing regarding Shapiro and Wedge and how the fact that they're on the same page is killing the Tribe's progression. Sorry, carry on.

 

Oh, one more thing: let's clarify this 'absolute power' thing. I would give Pioli final say, but not the only say when it comes to personnel decisions. He has veto power, but should also listen to reason when the whole room is telling him to oh, draft Richard Seymour instead of Gerard Warren or something like that.

[YtownBrownsBacker]

"Absolute Power" is the full right to run the football side of the organization. Hire, Fire, spend money, cut players, decide everything. Hire the Asst. coaches, fire a HC without consulting the owner, tell the HC who to play and who to sit. Decide which FAs the team is getting.

 

F**K that.........................we just had that with Savage. But he didn't even have absolute power.

 

"Absolute Power" is an uncontrolable ego............................I pass.

 

You hire a coach, let him coach. If he is responsible for wins and losses then let him have a say in the draft and playes on his roster. GMs are administrators. An owner shouldn't even have absolute power.

[Kosarfan]

"F**K that.........................we just had that with Savage. But he didn't even have absolute power.

"Absolute Power" is an uncontrolable ego............................I pass.

You hire a coach, let him coach. If he is responsible for wins and losses then let him have a say in the draft and playes on his roster. GMs are administrators. An owner shouldn't even have absolute power.

 

You may be right about the ego trip, which is why you get the right guy for a GM.

As far as the 'Owner should'nt have that power', that's a little tough given they're the ones dishing out the employees (players, coaches, etc.) payroll.

It's a business and in every business there are the CEO / Boss / Owner. He's the one sustains the business and drops it if it's a loss. It's NOT about Football, it's about Business. If not, why did Modell leave ????

 

As far as GM and coach relationship, common sense would dictate that these two guys on the same page create a winning atmosphere. If you really think Belicheck drives that boat alone, you're likely wrong. A coach can know football but shit about business. The GM WITH the coach determines how much they will / can spend for what talent. The coach, with the GM, should determine if they can draw more from players for less and use all funding available for as many talented / workable guys they can get. Dallas is a prime example of a team that just spends and I feel does not rely on the coach to 'bring out' the talent. Same with Washington, although I have more respect for Zorn than Phillips. Dallas spends and when it doesn't gel or pan out, they end up like this season.

 

We need a GM / coach combination that will give this organization (especially based on where it is now) the best chemistry for success. The only guy with absolute power is the owner and the next step in the food chain for RECOMMENDATIONS is the GM. The GM works with the coach to make those recommendations.

Savage and RAC were obviously NOT on the same page regarding DA vs. BQ this season ... and look where we are.