We need Tom Tupa Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 "It's no coincidence that every network on planet earth -- except maybe Al Jazeera -- had Eric Mangini as the Cleveland's coaching leader in the clubhouse. Either we're all being totally snowed (gee, that's never happened before), or Mangini's going to be the coach of the Browns soon. " http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ards/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Ugh. In 2007, Mangini’s rigidity in X's and O's led to much of his team’s undoing. A staunch proponent of the 3-4 system he honed while working as an assistant under Bill Belichick in New England, Mangini lacked Belichick’s resourcefulness to change up the scheme when it wasn’t working. In 2008, the problem was finding an appropriate offensive balance. At times, it seemed as though the Jets had too much confidence in their personnel, and other times it seemed they felt they needed to trick the opposition in order to move the ball. Certainly, offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer deserves much of the blame as well, but if there was one thing Mangini preached as head coach, it was that the buck stopped with him. Throughout his entire tenure, his stoic — almost passive-aggressive — persona made for an often contentious relationship with his players, which was only exacerbated by the Jets’ hard-line stance when it came to negotiating player contracts. Even in instances when a lukewarm resolution was made, such as was the case with TE Chris Baker and WR Laveranues Coles, the player-coach bond had already been fractured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squintz Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 All I can hope for now is that this is a snow job. If Lerner is truly enamored with Mangini then all that tells me is stay as far away from Mangini as possible. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'd rather have a monkey pick a name out of a hat than trust who Lerner picks to be coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titleist585 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Ugh. Has there been talking of adding someone above Kokinis? Like a team president to oversee everything? I know there's that Keenan guy but look how well he did with Savage.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Ugh. Alo...I would put a lot more stock in that report if it weren't from Sohn. He HATES Mangini...and has called him a liar in the past Mangini is a Liar - Matt Sohn. I think Sohn has a personal vendetta against Mangini. Anyway, what I SAW last year was a massive amount of injuries...and this year was a massive meltdown by Favre...neither of which are within the coaches ability to fix. He still managed to get a winning season in 2 out of 3 seasons...in a division with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 About Sohn...good point. Didn't know there was a history there. What injuries did they have last year? I know Laveranues Coles missed a couple games, but I don't remember much else. Their QB's constantly were getting hit, but that was because Tannenbaum & Mangini mishandled Pete Kendall's demands for a new deal. Instead, they ended up having terrible o-line play in '07 play, then spending a ton of money on their o-line last season. And even after that, they ranked last in the NFL in YPC on run plays behind 1st Round pick D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fooleeze Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I am still firmly uninspired by Lerner's fascination with Mangini. If I knew Mangini was going to be the leading candidate, I would have kept Crennel for another year to see what as there next year. But I'm more and more disappointed as each day rolls by. When Lerner promptly blew up the team, many of us felt he had something major cooking up his sleeve, like Cowher, Marty, Pioli, etc. But to see him blow up the team for Mangini? I'm sure he'll be a decent coach, but I have no confidence that he'll make us a legitimate contender year in and year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 And you could look at it negatively this way too if you want. We went from having a "coffee fetcher" of Ozzie Newsomes as GM and a "coffee fetcher" of Bill B, as head coach..... and we changed to...wait for it... a "coffee fetcher" of Ozzie Newsomes as GM and a "coffee fetcher" of Bill B, as head coach Huge change of philosophy eh? Funny stuff...but here is the REAL change in philosophy. 1. Coach WITH experience 2. GM who not only knows the coach, but is friends with him (not like Savage trying to get RAC fired) and will work WITH him 3. FO with a CLEAR chain of command (not like PS not able to fire RAC...so has to undermine him) I also don't see Kokinis getting the VP title as well...so we are likely to have a VP over the entire thing (McKay?). That gives us the CORRECT style of FO. Personally, I don't think it is so much we are passing on Pioli in favor of Mangini...I think we are passing on Pioli because Lerner wants the FO built in the correct way instead of having an all powerful Pioli (who is untested in the role) in charge. I, for one, am in complete agreement with how things are going. A coach and the personnel guy should be on the same page and get along as much as possible. Then hire in a VP that can be the bad guy when necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 By the way, Chris Mortensen's sources are telling him that the rumors of Pioli making "extreme demands" are false: "Talks [with Pioli] never even progressed to that stage so that's misleading and somebody else's agenda," the source said. "[Pioli] has been an absolute professional in the process. This isn't about Pioli. His credentials speak volumes but [Lerner] is focused on the coach and Mangini has made a terrific impression. We'll know pretty soon [on the direction]." And I can understand the concerns about a GM having too much authority, but I don't understand how the ass backwards Mangini-Kokinis team is any better. (EDIT: By "ass backwards," I mean the odd situation in which Mangini gets to recommend a GM whose personnel authority doesn't seem to eclipse the HC's) Unless a VP is brought in to be boss over both of them (I'd prefer Accorsi to McKay), I don't see this system being any more stable. And if getting along solves all, a Pioli-Ferentz combo would be much more appealing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBrownsfan Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I honestly don't know who would be the best HC and GM for this team, I just hope that Lerner and whoever may be involved are able to pick two guys that can move this team forward instead of backward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Mangini for HC could be bad news for BQ Nation since the Mangenius just got run out of town for having another QB shoved down his throat by fans and ownership. DA's odds for starting in CLE next season will shoot up if this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 By the way, Chris Mortensen's sources are telling him that the rumors of Pioli making "extreme demands" are false: And I can understand the concerns about a GM having too much authority, but I don't understand how the ass backwards Mangini-Kokinis team is any better. (EDIT: By "ass backwards," I mean the odd situation in which Mangini gets to recommend a GM whose personnel authority doesn't seem to eclipse the HC's) Unless a VP is brought in to be boss over both of them (I'd prefer Accorsi to McKay), I don't see this system being any more stable. And if getting along solves all, a Pioli-Ferentz combo would be much more appealing to me. Hadn't seen that about Pioli...so that is good news. As for Mangini/Kokinis thing...that is a guy he is "recommending"...not hiring. I don't see a conflict there. I have often made recommendations for people 'above' me for positions. It goes a long way for people to understand you are 'happy' to work for somebody. As long as the two are professional enough to abide by the chain of command...and Kokinis is man enough to understand this is JUST a recommendation (and not Mangini hiring him)...it shouldn't be a problem. However, if Kokinis is mamby pamby and can't BE Mangini's BOSS...that is another story. So, really we are looking at this: GM/VP - Pioli HC - Ferentz vs VP - ? GM - Kokinis (and likely McCreight involved) HC - Mangini I still like the separation of VP and GM better...and I think if the GM is getting the players the coach can use...then the COACH is more important to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 If you're going to have a VP, why not have him hire the GM and HC? If not, you're risking falling into the same issues we had when Savage didn't hire RAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dude, Anderson is gone. Focus on landing spots. Lerner is making Quinn the face of the team and there will be ZERO chance of another QB competition in Cleveland. None. In Vegas the odds for Anderson starting in Cleveland next year are 2.5 to 1. Sorry shep despite your prayers the most likely spot for Anderson next year is Cleveland where he is under contract. Unless Quinn's hand-picked coach is in town (McDaniels) this issue will remain undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dude, Anderson is gone. Focus on landing spots. Lerner is making Quinn the face of the team and there will be ZERO chance of another QB competition in Cleveland. None. Between Quinn and Anderson, Anderson is the one more likely to drive someone like Mangini crazy in a Favre-esque fashion (picks). No way he'd put himself through that again. Or the fans. He's history. I tend to like it. And the "ass backwards" of it emulates Belicheck "suggesting" his personnel guy, Pioli, for his second job after his stint in Cleveland. Just change the names. Since lerner is les than open about what he has in mind we can only guess and listen to the buzz from different sources.. I like the idea of a new president A VP A GM A Coach Overpowered VP/GMs are not the answer its about teamwork just like on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budcarson Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 According to Grossi, the Kokinis interview will have to wait until Sunday: http://www.cleveland.com/brownsbeat/index....t_wait_unt.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I'm not sure they (Pioli and McDaniels) were ever out of play. I can't wait until this cat-and-mouse game of bullshit posturing is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I'm not sure they (Pioli and McDaniels) were ever out of play. I can't wait until this cat-and-mouse game of bullshit posturing is over. Personally, I think Pioli was jacking us around. Even before his KC interview he is saying maybe he just might stay in NE. I have to think maybe he never intended to leave unless someone kissed his ass. Could be wrong and Pioli/McDaniel jump back into the picture. Bottom line is some will bitch about Mangini/Kokinis, some would bitch about Pioli/McDaniel and some would bitch about Heckert/Spagnoula. As a matte of fact some would bitch about anybody that was brought in. So, I just hope whoever it is is a solid choice. Sometimes that choice that isn't the sexiest may be the best in the long run. I have no problem with Mangini. As a matter of fact if he can survive 3 years with a GM that doesn't know squat about football, he may prosper here under Kokinis and McCreight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Lerner is making Quinn the face of the team and there will be ZERO chance of another QB competition in Cleveland. None. I'm a big Quinn fan, but the above statement scares me. Let's leave it up to the football coach. Let Dan Snyder annoint starters. Let Randy Lerner write checks and let the football coach be a true football coach with decisions on all personnel. Zombo --the smart coach will pick Quinn. But if he has him shoved down his throat ... we have a problem already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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