Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Josh (C-bus, OH): Do you see the Brownies unloading DA for some draft picks and if so to whom, and what picks could they get? SportsNation Mel Kiper: (1:10 PM ET ) They have to. There are some teams out there, like the Cowboys that would be a good team for him to go to. That's a good team for him to go to in a trade, that needs a good backup QB. The Giants could use a good backup. Those kinds of teams would be possibilities. You maybe could get a fourth round pick. The problem is that Dallas gave up a lot of picks for Roy Williams. At one point this year, it looked like if they traded DA, you could get a second rounder. But they can get something for Anderson. via here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 via here. We still need a backup ourselves we should try to keep DA but with only 10 mil on our cap and several 2009 contracts coming up its not likely unless we trade edwards and or winslow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBrowns Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 My questions why do the Browns "have to" if he would be a candidate to go to the Cowboys strictly as a backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Keeping Anderson as backup HERE seems like a no-brainer to me. Who else do we have? So he'll be expensive ... we aren't in cap hell. If we plan on being competitive next year, we need a legitimate backup Quarterback. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 If someone would offer a nice deal before his $5 mil roster bonus is due in March that would be okay. I certainly wouldn't give him away and have to go out and look for a backup veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm not against keeping Anderson as a back-up. But I think we can get someone on the cheap as a backup to Quinn (I'm sure there will plenty of OK guys available this offseason) and use the cap money on, say, a LB, DE, or RB perhaps. Even though we aren't in "cap hell," there's no real reason to to mind the cap properly/prudently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm not against keeping Anderson as a back-up. But I think we can get someone on the cheap as a backup to Quinn (I'm sure there will plenty of OK guys available this offseason) and use the cap money on, say, a LB, DE, or RB perhaps. Even though we aren't in "cap hell," there's no real reason to to mind the cap properly/prudently... I see the biggest problem as the $5 mil roster bonus due in March. I don't know when in March, but that isn't too far away. If his bonus wasn't due until after the draft it would be a lot better. Some teams may want us to pay the bonus against our cap and then offer up a trade of a draft pick or picks. He becomes very cheap for some club if we pay the roster bonus and I don't think any money after this year is guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 via here. Who the hell is Mel Kiper? I thought he was a draftnick, not an evaluator of NFL talent and team needs. That jamoke brokered quite a career for himself. A legend in his own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c-dawg Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Ouch. Kiper sees him only as a backup. What a Quinn Fag. Made me laugh out loud! Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 First let us see what we will receive in return for DA. If we dont get moneys worth then it is not worth it. Is he alone the single money hogging factor in our team that risks us going beyond the salary cap ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I see the biggest problem as the $5 mil roster bonus due in March. This is why he won't be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I really like Kiper, BTW. I think he's one of the smartest guys out there. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor1414 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I really like Kiper, BTW. I think he's one of the smartest guys out there. The Browns can't keep Anderson for two reasons: One, he's a former starter who is only about a year older than Quinn, perpetuating the sense of an ongoing competition and a fractured locker room. Not good. More tangibly, Anderson makes about 7 mill on the cap next year, a sick figure for a backup unless you have no other pressing needs. We have other pressing needs. at least someone on here gets it. Those BQ and DA Cant be on the same team and have any sort of harmony. the team would be split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 First let us see what we will receive in return for DA. If we dont get moneys worth then it is not worth it. Is he alone the single money hogging factor in our team that risks us going beyond the salary cap ? Once the NFL readjusts the cap the Browns should be about $15 mil under it. Now I don't know if that is with or without Anderson. I would figure it would be with him. They also will free up some cap space if McGinest, Davis and S. Smith are released. Trading Anderson before March would be another $7 mil. When Quinn becomes a starter his salary readjusts upward based on taking so many % of the snaps. Jones is the only big FA and he wants big money over 4 years. If they don't resign him, they need to go out and get another safety. Also, a top 5 draft pick will be a big hit on the cap. Biggest decision is that Winslow wants new contracts and I believe Edwards's expires after next year. Their contracts will eat up some big cap money. So, do you trade Winslow now and fill a big need in FA and get some additional picks or do you give him a new contract and have to forgo a big name FA? What's his value to a new coach? I think our biggest cap hit is Rogers. Cory Williams also has a nice contract. Do you trade him back to a 4-3 team and maybe get a 2nd round pick for him. Stallworth is a killer and I believe his contract had about $9 million or more guaranteed, so if we dump him that entire bonus he was paid becomes cap money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Biggest decision is that Winslow wants new contracts and I believe Edwards's expires after next year. Their contracts will eat up some big cap money. So, do you trade Winslow now and fill a big need in FA and get some additional picks or do you give him a new contract and have to forgo a big name FA? What's his value to a new coach? Winslow should be valuable to ANY coach, regardless of what rich or Ghoolie claim. Anderson would make a fine backup for us, but he's too expensive under his current deal. Why not re-sign Jones, save space for a future re-p or re-up with Winslow and Edwards now, sign the #5 pick, and maybe sign an additional FA LB or DE along with a cheapish backup QB? This seems incredibly possible given our situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I wouldn't lose Winslow in a month of Sundays. He and Quinn should work really well together next year, especially in Callahan's WCO. Me either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I wouldn't lose Winslow in a month of Sundays. He and Quinn should work really well together next year, especially in Callahan's WCO. Me either!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBrownsfan Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 You have to have a true starting QB in the NFL not a #1 and #1a. Quinn has been annointed as the starter for next season so DA is as good as gone. I think the Browns will take what they can get for him , after the HC & GM have been hired, so they can target a FA backup and start prepping BQ ASAP with the new HC and OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Quinn has been annointed as the starter for next season In fairness to Lums and Derek, Quinn was named the starter by a coach who isn't with the organization any longer. But yes, a mere formality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OconRecon Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 By the looks of the press conference with Thomas and Quinn, I'm thinking he was anointed by the owner as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Agreed. Not to NFL personnel directors, though. Kind of like getting your news from Comedy Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I trust Kiper's assessments way more than I do those of some of the monkeys manning NFL front offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Cheesedick Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Keeping Anderson as backup HERE seems like a no-brainer to me. Who else do we have? So he'll be expensive ... we aren't in cap hell. If we plan on being competitive next year, we need a legitimate backup Quarterback. Zombo We always plan on being competitive next year. Hell, every Football season we plan on being competitive the next year. It just rarely happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVBrownsfan Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 When Quinn and Thomas were at the press conference after the firings, that was Lerner saying to any future HC ,"This is the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns, now you can handle the rest." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roach Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 If the Browns trade DA, wouldn't the acquiring team need to pay the roster bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Yes. This is why trading him to a team that sees him as a back-up isn't going to happen. That there's starter's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawgs Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Mangini Quote: "I can win with Brady Quinn" Jim Donovan just reported that he told this to lerner in the interview and it was the final factor swingin things in Mangni's favor .... i guess this is pretty obvious isn't it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yes. This is why trading him to a team that sees him as a back-up isn't going to happen. That there's starter's money. Is there any room to restructure DA's deal? Lengthen it, and remove the Ides of March he's got hanging over his head right now. There is no way he receives that money, he'll be cut 1st. I don't see another team trading for that monster cap hit. Not even Al Davis. Any team that picks him up after he's dumped, will be acquiring him as a back-up - and paying him like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 If DA would agree to restructure the deal to keep him from being cut, then why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 If DA would agree to restructure the deal to keep him from being cut, then why not? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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