Mr. T Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Statement from MSNBC Host Chris Hayes, via the Huffington Post: On Sunday, in discussing the uses of the word "hero" to describe those members of the armed forces who have given their lives, I don't think I lived up to the standards of rigor, respect and empathy for those affected by the issues we discuss that I've set for myself. I am deeply sorry for that. As many have rightly pointed out, it's very easy for me, a TV host, to opine about the people who fight our wars, having never dodged a bullet or guarded a post or walked a mile in their boots. Of course, that is true of the overwhelming majority of our nation's citizens as a whole. One of the points made during Sunday's show was just how removed most Americans are from the wars we fight, how small a percentage of our population is asked to shoulder the entire burden and how easy it becomes to never read the names of those who are wounded and fight and die, to not ask questions about the direction of our strategy in Afghanistan, and to assuage our own collective guilt about this disconnect with a pro-forma ritual that we observe briefly before returning to our barbecues. But in seeking to discuss the civilian-military divide and the social distance between those who fight and those who don't, I ended up reinforcing it, conforming to a stereotype of a removed pundit whose views are not anchored in the very real and very wrenching experience of this long decade of war. And for that I am truly sorry. Source What a fag!
MLD Woody Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Not sure why he is a fag... Your title and what actually happened seem to be very different too. This guy made a mistake, but you are blowing it out of the water. I'm at work so I can't, but someone should post what he originally said that got some people mad.
Mr. T Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Posted May 29, 2012 He is a fagbBecause he is another fool that claimed he was 'uncomfortable' calling fallen soldiers heroes. I'm sure you libtard fags will want to sleep with him.
MLD Woody Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Again, post the whole quote of what originally git him in trouble, please.
Lady Z Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Here's the video, you can get it straight from the moron's mouth. The Nuanced Left Dances Around the Issue of "Heroes" This Memorial Day Weekend Home - by BigFurHat - May 27, 2012 - 19:00 America/New_York - 32 Comments http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=135178
MLD Woody Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 I can't watch the video at work but I see a bunch of Cal's and Bunkers on the comments....
Lady Z Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 <br />I can't watch the video at work but I see a bunch of Cal's and Bunkers on the comments....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> I hope you will watch the video when you can and comment on it here. The video speaks for itself.
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 I've never heard of this guy before. But I can tell he was for the new policy of letting gays in.
Westside Steve Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Well, m s n b c surely has more then their share of people like him but personally I think the term hero gets tossed around a little too freely these days. WSS
The Cysko Kid Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Look as a veteran, I disagree with the idea of calling everyone in the military a hero. It's just not true. I did zero heroic things in the military. John Basilone was a hero.
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Look as a veteran, I disagree with the idea of calling everyone in the military a hero. It's just not true. I did zero heroic things in the military. John Basilone was a hero. I agree Cysko. That Army chick who was captured at the beginning of the Iraq war was issued a Bronze Star. For what? Getting captured? Doesn't make any sense to me. It seems like they give out ribbons now for using toilet paper correctly.
MLD Woody Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Here is the quote "Why do I feel so uncomfortable about the word hero?” Hayes asked, rhetorically. “I feel uncomfortable about the word hero because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect the memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism — you know, hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I’m wrong about that.” I love some of you up top calling him gay and a fag. No wonder we get so much done in politics.
Westside Steve Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Here is the quote "Why do I feel so uncomfortable about the word hero?” Hayes asked, rhetorically. “I feel uncomfortable about the word hero because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect the memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism — you know, hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I’m wrong about that.” I love some of you up top calling him gay and a fag. No wonder we get so much done in politics. Yes repeating the word moron over and over is much more insightful. WSS. ;
VaporTrail Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 I agree Cysko. That Army chick who was captured at the beginning of the Iraq war was issued a Bronze Star. For what? Getting captured? Doesn't make any sense to me. It seems like they give out ribbons now for using toilet paper correctly. She was hot and white and made for a feel-good story about the war. There were other soldiers that got captured, killed, or executed. Not nearly as much fanfare for them, even the ones that got rescued.
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Yes repeating the word moron over and over is much more insightful. WSS. ; I'm not calling everyone with different political and moral views than me a moron, a fag or gay. I'm calling two specific, documented morons, morons. I think that is pretty different.
Mr. T Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Posted May 30, 2012 Again, post the whole quote of what originally git him in trouble, please. Go look it up and stop being such a pussy.
calfoxwc Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Little Jonnie Woodpecker is pouting again. Boring. And always lacking in intelligent substance.
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Go look it up and stop being such a pussy. I did dipshit
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Little Jonnie Woodpecker is pouting again. Boring. And always lacking in intelligent substance. But this post was full of it
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 I'm with Steve and Cysko on this one. Just like inflation with money, you can do it with words too. And labeling every service member a "hero" whether or not they did anything heroic diminishes the value of the word.
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 I'm with Steve and Cysko on this one. Just like inflation with money, you can do it with words too. And labeling every service member a "hero" whether or not they did anything heroic diminishes the value of the word. I think what really pisses veterans off is having liberal half wits like you tell us what you think about the military. We don't give a shit.
heckofajobbrownie Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Yup. There are no liberal or Democratic veterans or members currently serving in the military. Everyone who was in the military or is in the military is a Republican. Also, the only people who can talk about the military are Republicans. It's a partisan issue. Even the meaning of the word "hero" can only be discussed by Republicans. Gotcha.
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Yup. There are no liberal or Democratic veterans or members currently serving in the military. Everyone who was in the military or is in the military is a Republican. Also, the only people who can talk about the military are Republicans. It's a partisan issue. Even the meaning of the word "hero" can only be discussed by Republicans. Gotcha. No, I'm talking about slugs like you, never served, or even had the gonads to think about it. That is who I'm talking about.
MLD Woody Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 No, I'm talking about slugs like you, never served, or even had the gonads to think about it. That is who I'm talking about. What about someone that didn't serve but is saying things that you agree with? How would you classify them? Still a liberal, gonad-less slug?
The Cysko Kid Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 What about someone that didn't serve but is saying things that you agree with? How would you classify them? Still a liberal, gonad-less slug? Everyone can have opinions woody, its just non vets telling vets their opinions of the military is somewhat like me telling Les Paul how to build a guitar. Pointless and annoying. I think this is what he's trying to say. You guys can't relate to the experiences we had, that's all. That goes double for combat vets. I don't think non veterens can possibly have the same perspective about any wartime event. I finally took a week off about a month ago and visited arlington, gettysburgh, antietam (sharpsburg) chansellorsville and various smaller sites and I don't think you can really get a sense and appreciation of the things that happened there, the travesty, the bravery, the comraderie, the pride, the blood unless you've served and experienced at least some of it. Its hard to describe what something like that is. The world has changed now. I truly wish I had been alive to fight the civil war or even more so WWII. There's a reason those tough old bastards romanticize that war even now 70 some years later. Greatest and worst days of their lives.
MLD Woody Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 I agree that I'll never be able to fully relate to what you went through or will go through. I was just pointing out that I have a feeling his opinion would change (or at least his response would have been different) if Heck said something he agreed with. Lol, that actually sounded obvious, but I think you get the idea.
The Cysko Kid Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 Actually if you read back a few posts diehard agrees with that same point heck did.
MLD Woody Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 Actually if you read back a few posts diehard agrees with that same point heck did. I guess he kinda did through you, lol. But his responses to you and Heck were completely different, so maybe that proves my point. I don't really care, this is a dumb thing to argue about. We agree with the main point in this thread, kinda, so that's good enough for me.
calfoxwc Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 There are everyday heroes. But just being in the military, and taking honor in whatever job you had, makes you a hero to me. The Purple Hearts and other accolades go to those who never came home, or really, dramatically did something heroic. Non-vets most of the time, don't have much of a clue, unless they are involved with famly members who are in the military. The arrogant spouting off as if libs had a clue.... when they can't, and don't, is garbage'.
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