gftChris Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble. So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions. First Rounders … … Rest of the World QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor One thing I noticed - running backs & tight ends were easier to find outside the first round. QBs were basically a wash - with Brady and Wilson a the top, along with Brees, Romo, Kaepernick, Dalton among others showing you don't need to be a first round pick to be successful. Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round. Any suggestions for players I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Yeah where's Taylor Gabriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 There were a couple more brownies I was tempted by - like Gipson and Dansby, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Certainly hits home how much you need to sort the O Line out early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 It would help better to put these guys side by side rather than one under the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 It would help better to put these guys side by side rather than one under the other. Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would. There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you: First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles etc. etc. and on from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you: First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles etc. etc. and on from there. Ugh, those are terrible to read and a pain to format. But better to have them side by side still, I guess. We need to get table functionality on here, BB Codes exist already - who's the webmonkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Now with modified formatting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXDawg Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts. How many first rounders do you see? Tom Brady John Elway Terry Bradshaw Joe Montana Roger Staubach Jim Kelly Troy Aikman Bob Griese Ben Roethlisberger Kurt Warner Peyton Manning Fran Tarkenton Bart Starr Jim Plunkett Eli Manning Len Dawson Joe Theismann Brett Favre Craig Morton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXDawg Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Winning Super Bowl quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round 55.3 percent of the time (29.8 percent with the first overall pick). Of the 45 quarterbacks taken in the traditional NFL draft, the average selection spot is 54.9. Some interesting info on the topic: http://www.nfl.com/superbowlchamps/quarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts. How many first rounders do you see? Tom Brady #199 John Elway him Terry Bradshaw him Joe Montana 3rd round Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years. Jim Kelly him Troy Aikman him Bob Griese lower round Ben Roethlisbergerhim Kurt Warner UDFA Peyton Manning him Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round Bart Starr 17th round Jim Plunkett him Eli Manning him Len Dawson not sure...lower round Joe Theismann like 3rd round Brett Favre second round Craig Morton lower round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts. How many first rounders do you see? Tom Brady #199 John Elway him Terry Bradshaw him Joe Montana 3rd round Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years. Jim Kelly him Troy Aikman him Bob Griese lower round Ben Roethlisbergerhim Kurt Warner UDFA Peyton Manning him Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round Bart Starr 17th round Jim Plunkett him Eli Manning him Len Dawson not sure...lower round Joe Theismann like 3rd round Brett Favre second round Craig Morton lower round. Morton was a first rounder, Dawson was too, by Steelers, then he was traded to the Browns, then released, then picked up by AFL KC. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble. So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions. First Rounders … … Rest of the World QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor Any suggestions for players I missed? Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there. And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly. So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo: Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls: QB: Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0 Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0 RB: KiJana Carter - #1 - 0 Blair Thomas - #2 - 0 WR: Charles Rogers - #2 - 0 Johnny Jones - #2 - 0 Larry Elkins - #1 - 0 TE: Eric Ebron - #9 OT: Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0 Robert Gallery - #2 - 0 OG: D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0 Leonard Davis - #2 - 0 C: Bob Johnson - #2 - 0 DE: Courtney Brown - #1 - 0 Chris Long - #2 - 0 DT: Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0 Steve Emtman - #1 - 0 MLB: Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0 Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0 OLB: Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0 Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0 SS/FS: Michael Huff - #7 - 0 Stanley Richard - #9 - 0 CB: Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0 Pacman Jones - #6 - 0 Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there. And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly. So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo: Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls: QB: Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0 Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0 RB: KiJana Carter - #1 - 0 Blair Thomas - #2 - 0 WR: Charles Rogers - #2 - 0 Johnny Jones - #2 - 0 Larry Elkins - #1 - 0 TE: Eric Ebron - #9 OT: Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0 Robert Gallery - #2 - 0 OG: D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0 Leonard Davis - #2 - 0 C: Bob Johnson - #2 - 0 DE: Courtney Brown - #1 - 0 Chris Long - #2 - 0 DT: Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0 Steve Emtman - #1 - 0 MLB: Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0 Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0 OLB: Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0 Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0 SS/FS: Michael Huff - #7 - 0 Stanley Richard - #9 - 0 CB: Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0 Pacman Jones - #6 - 0 Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback? i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXDawg Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Craig Morton Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys in the 1st round (5th overall) of the 1965 NFL Draft. Drafted by the Oakland Raiders in the 10th round (75th overall) of the 1965 AFL Draft. I imagine this happened often... also interesting... The Falcons drafted Favre 33rd overall (2nd round) but then Green Bay traded a first-round pick for Favre after the 1991 season. so a first round pick was investing in Favre. you could lawyer that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round. First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but... Also to some extent ditto for the D-line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but... Also to some extent ditto for the D-line... My general football knowledge isn't good enough to know all the top class linemen and where they were drafted so I had to lean on things like pre-season top 10 lists, and the mid-season all-pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs. me too. Looks like "Tony Mandarich - part II" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there. And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly. So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo: Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls: QB: Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0 Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0 RB: KiJana Carter - #1 - 0 Blair Thomas - #2 - 0 WR: Charles Rogers - #2 - 0 Johnny Jones - #2 - 0 Larry Elkins - #1 - 0 TE: Eric Ebron - #9 OT: Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0 Robert Gallery - #2 - 0 OG: D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0 Leonard Davis - #2 - 0 C: Bob Johnson - #2 - 0 DE: Courtney Brown - #1 - 0 Chris Long - #2 - 0 DT: Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0 Steve Emtman - #1 - 0 MLB: Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0 Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0 OLB: Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0 Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0 SS/FS: Michael Huff - #7 - 0 Stanley Richard - #9 - 0 CB: Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0 Pacman Jones - #6 - 0 Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. (Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?) One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback? Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round. How far back do you want to go? These alone were 5th rounders or lower Gene Hickerson 7th round Dan Fortmann 9th round Jim Ringo 7th round Mike Webster 5th round All HOF. rounds 2-4: Stan Jones Mike MacCormack Bob St. Clair Art Shell Jackie Slater Russ Grimm Forrest Gregg Billy Shaw Dan Dierdorf Dwight Stephenson Dermonti Dawson Larry Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round. How far back do you want to go? All the players are currently active (I believe). I'm sure you can make an all-time non-first round team, but the point was to compare the depth of talent available in any given draft, so it's time dependent. All-time, you can probably come up with two teams that are inseparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there. And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly. So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo: Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls: QB: Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0 Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0 RB: KiJana Carter - #1 - 0 Blair Thomas - #2 - 0 WR: Charles Rogers - #2 - 0 Johnny Jones - #2 - 0 Larry Elkins - #1 - 0 TE: Eric Ebron - #9 OT: Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0 Robert Gallery - #2 - 0 OG: D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0 Leonard Davis - #2 - 0 C: Bob Johnson - #2 - 0 DE: Courtney Brown - #1 - 0 Chris Long - #2 - 0 DT: Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0 Steve Emtman - #1 - 0 MLB: Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0 Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0 OLB: Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0 Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0 SS/FS: Michael Huff - #7 - 0 Stanley Richard - #9 - 0 CB: Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0 Pacman Jones - #6 - 0 Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. (Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?) No. You are correct, as I used the wrong wording. Johnnie Cooks also played for the Browns, BUT was not traded for or picked in the draft. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback? Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau) Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I guess I don't remember much about Johnny Cooks playing for the Browns....but I'll check: OK, according to this, Johnny Cooks played in exactly 2 games with the Browns in 1991, and didn't record a single tackle. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJo20.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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