Combine isn't everything

[heckofajobbrownie]

Here's a list of combine bests since 1999. Notice how little being great in Indy means for your eventual NFL career. Repeat: it's just a tool.

 

 

40 Yard Dash Times

4.24 - Rondel Menendez, (WR), Eastern Kentucky - 1999

4.28 - Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton - 2005

4.28 - *Champ Bailey, (CB ), Georgia - 1999

4.29 - Stanford Routt, (CB ), Houston - 2005

4.29 - Jay Hinton, (RB ), Morgan State - 1999

4.29 - *Fabian Washington, (CB ), Nebraska - 2005

4.30 - Darrent Williams, (CB ), Oklahoma State - 2005

4.31 - *Johnathan Joseph, (CB ), South Carolina - 2006

4.31 - Aaron Lockett, (WR), Kansas State - 2002

4.31 - Santana Moss, (WR), Miami - 2001

4.32 - *Troy Williamson, (WR), South Carolina - 2005

4.32 - *Chad Jackson, (WR), Florida - 2006

4.32 - Tim Jennings, (CB ), Georgia - 2006

4.32 - Chris McKenzie, (CB ), Arizona State - 2005

4.32 - Tim Carter, (WR), Auburn - 2002

4.32 - Kevin Garrett, (CB ), Southern Methodist - 2003

4.32 - Antwan Harris, (CB ), Virginia - 2000

4.33 - Carlos Francis, (WR), Texas Tech - 2004

4.33 - Karsten Bailey, (WR), Auburn - 1999

4.33 - Chris Chambers, (WR), Wisconsin - 2001

4.34 - *Ahmad Carroll, (CB ), Arkansas - 2004

4.34 - Domonique Foxworth, (CB ), Maryland - 2005

4.34 - Tyrone Calico, (WR), Middle Tennessee State - 2003

4.34 - Tye Hill, (CB ), Clemson - 2006

4.34 - Kevin Brooks, (CB ), South Carolina - 1999

 

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Rondel Menendez

 

 

Ten Yard Times

1.46 - Colin Branch, (FS), Stanford - 2003

1.46 - *Fabian Washington, (CB ), Nebraska - 2005

1.47 - Jay Hinton, (RB ), Morgan State - 1999

1.47 - Rondel Menendez, (WR), Eastern Kentucky - 1999

1.47 - Justin Fargas, (RB ), Southern Cal - 2003

1.48 - Tim Jennings, (CB ), Georgia - 2006

1.48 - Sinorice Moss, (WR), Miami - 2006

1.48 - Domonique Foxworth, (CB ), Maryland - 2005

1.48 - Antwan Harris, (CB ), Virginia - 2000

1.48 - *Champ Bailey, (CB ), Georgia - 1999

1.49 - Chris McKenzie, (CB ), Arizona State - 2005

1.49 - Darrent Williams, (CB ), Oklahoma State - 2005

1.49 - *DeAngelo Hall, (CB ), Virginia Tech - 2004

1.49 - Kevin Johnson, (WR), Syracuse - 1999

1.49 - *Edgerrin James, (RB ), Miami - 1999

1.49 - Chris Watson, (CB ), Eastern Illinois - 1999

1.49 - Chris Cole, (WR), Texas A&M - 2000

1.50 - Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton - 2005

1.50 - Derek Hagan, (WR), Arizona State - 2006

1.50 - Ronnie Brown, (RB ), Auburn - 2005

1.50 - Jason Allen, (FS), Tennessee - 2006

1.50 - Kevin Brooks, (CB ), South Carolina - 1999

1.50 - Siaha Burley, (WR), Central Florida - 1999

1.50 - Bob Sanders, (SS), Iowa - 2004

1.50 - Deuce McAllister, (RB ), Mississippi - 2001

 

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Colin Branch

 

 

225 Pound Bench Reps

51 - Justin Ernest, (DT), Eastern Kentucky - 1999

45 - Mike Kudla, (DE), Ohio State - 2006

45 - Leif Larsen, (DT), Texas-El Paso - 2000

44 - Brodrick Bunkley, (DT), Florida State - 2006

43 - Scott Young, (OG), BYU - 2005

42 - Isaac Sopoaga, (DT), Hawaii - 2004

41 - Terna Nande, (OLB ), Miami (OHIO) - 2006

41 - *Igor Olshansky, (DT), Oregon - 2004

40 - Zach Piller, (OT), Florida - 1999

38 - Tony Pashos, (OT), Illinois - 2003

38 - Craig Page, ©, Georgia Tech - 1999

38 - Jeff Smith, ©, Wyoming - 1999

37 - *Wayne Hunter, (OT), Hawaii - 2003

37 - *Haloti Ngata, (DT), Oregon - 2006

37 - Roberto Garza, ©, Texas AM-Kingsville - 2001

37 - Victor Leyva, (OG), Arizona State - 2001

37 - Moran Norris, (FB ), Kansas - 2001

36 - Gabe Watson, (DT), Michigan - 2006

36 - *Vince Wilfork, (DT), Miami - 2004

36 - Liam Ezekiel, (ILB ), Northeastern - 2005

36 - Scott Peters, ©, Arizona State - 2002

36 - Makoa Freitas, (OG), Arizona - 2003

36 - Ryan Denney, (DE), BYU - 2002

35 - Tim Bulman, (DT), Boston College - 2005

35 - Evan Mathis, (OG), Alabama - 2005

 

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Vertical Jump

46 - Gerald Sensabaugh, (FS), North Carolina - 2005

45 1/2 - Derek Wake, (OLB ), Penn State - 2005

45 - Chris McKenzie, (CB ), Arizona State - 2005

45 - Chris Chambers, (WR), Wisconsin - 2001

43 1/2 - Dustin Fox, (FS), Ohio State - 2005

43 1/2 - Jay Hinton, (RB ), Morgan State - 1999

43 1/2 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa - 2001

43 1/2 - Jerry Azumah, (RB ), New Hampshire - 1999

43 - Scott Starks, (CB ), Wisconsin - 2005

43 - Cedric James, (WR), TCU - 2001

42 1/2 - Jonathan Carter, (WR), Troy - 2001

42 1/2 - Nate Burleson, (WR), Nevada - 2003

42 1/2 - Brock Williams, (CB ), Notre Dame - 2001

42 - Kerry Rhodes, (FS), Louisville - 2005

42 - Ellis Hobbs, (CB ), Iowa State - 2005

42 - *William Green, (RB ), Boston College - 2002

42 - *Vernon Davis, (TE), Maryland - 2006

42 - Mark Anderson, (DE), Alabama - 2006

42 - Boss Bailey, (OLB ), Georgia - 2003

42 - Scott Fujita, (OLB ), California - 2002

42 - Raonall Smith, (OLB ), Washington State - 2002

42 - Rashad Holman, (CB ), Louisville - 2001

42 - Santana Moss, (WR), Miami - 2001

42 - Pierson Prioleau, (FS), Virginia Tech - 1999

41 1/2 - Reuben Houston, (CB ), Georgia Tech - 2006

 

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Gerald Sensabaugh

 

 

Broad Jump

* Historical Data Not Available

 

 

20-yard Shuttle

3.73 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa - 2001

3.76 - Deion Branch, (WR), Louisville - 2002

3.78 - Dunta Robinson, (CB ), South Carolina - 2004

3.79 - *Champ Bailey, (CB ), Georgia - 1999

3.82 - Dante' Hall, (RB ), Texas A&M - 2000

3.83 - Jason Allen, (FS), Tennessee - 2006

3.83 - Kevin Bentley, (OLB ), NorthWestern - 2002

3.83 - Terence Newman, (CB ), Kansas State - 2003

3.84 - Justin Beriault, (FS), Ball State - 2005

3.84 - Carlos Rogers, (CB ), Auburn - 2005

3.84 - Troy Walters, (WR), Stanford - 2000

3.85 - Rashad Holman, (CB ), Louisville - 2001

3.86 - Creig Spann, (WR), Arizona State - 1999

3.86 - Matt Graham, (SS), Indiana State - 1999

3.86 - Kevin Brooks, (CB ), South Carolina - 1999

3.86 - Jay Hinton, (RB ), Morgan State - 1999

3.86 - Kevin Johnson, (WR), Syracuse - 1999

3.86 - Jason Hebert, (FS), Rice - 2002

3.86 - Jerry Azumah, (RB ), New Hampshire - 1999

3.86 - Chris Watson, (CB ), Eastern Illinois - 1999

3.87 - Randy Fasani, (QB ), Stanford - 2002

3.87 - Coy Wire, (SS), Stanford - 2002

3.88 - Ryan Tolhurst, (WR), Richmond - 2002

3.88 - Kevin Curtis, (FS), Texas Tech - 2002

3.88 - Kendrick Starling, (WR), San Jose State - 2004

 

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Kevin Kasper

 

 

60-yard Shuttle

10.43 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa - 2001

 

 

3 Cone Drill

6.45 - Sedrick Curry, (CB ), Texas A&M - 2000

6.48 - Rogers Beckett, (FS), Marshall - 2000

6.49 - Carlos Rogers, (CB ), Auburn - 2005

6.51 - Jon McGraw, (SS), Kansas State - 2002

6.56 - Ben Taylor, (ILB ), Virginia Tech - 2002

6.56 - Kevin Kasper, (WR), Iowa - 2001

6.60 - Trent Gamble, (FS), Wyoming - 2000

6.61 - Courtney Roby, (WR), Indiana - 2005

6.61 - Troy Walters, (WR), Stanford - 2000

6.62 - Coy Wire, (SS), Stanford - 2002

6.62 - Dante' Hall, (RB ), Texas A&M - 2000

6.63 - Ketric Sanford, (RB ), Houston - 2000

6.63 - Matt Farmer, (WR), Air Force - 2000

6.63 - *Ben Kelly, (CB ), Colorado - 2000

6.64 - Keith Brown, (RB ), UCLA - 2000

6.64 - Stanford Routt, (CB ), Houston - 2005

6.64 - Tye Hill, (CB ), Clemson - 2006

6.64 - Demarcus Faggins, (CB ), Kansas State - 2002

6.65 - Ryan Tolhurst, (WR), Richmond - 2002

6.65 - Omare Lowe, (CB ), Washington - 2002

6.65 - Herb Haygood, (WR), Michigan State - 2002

6.66 - *Richard Marshall, (CB ), Fresno State - 2006

6.66 - Reed Doughty, (FS), Northern Colorado - 2006

6.66 - Hank Poteat, (CB ), Pittsburgh - 2000

6.68 - James Anderson, (OLB ), Virginia Tech - 2006

 

[Guest Aloysius]

You mean Johnny Knox isn't the next Jerry Rice? I'm shocked.

 

In all seriousness, Knox does look good in this clip:

 

 

In New York, Mangini tended to bring in speedy receivers in the later rounds (Chansi Stuckey) and as waiver wire pickups (David Clowney). Knox, with his 4.34 40 and 4.15 shuttle times, would certainly fit the mold

[Pumpkin Eater]

I'm pretty sure Jerry Rice didn't have good "measurables" but SF looked past it and got one of the best recievers ever.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Those Draft Guys sure can interview, huh?

 

I think Knox is interesting. You take a guy like Donnie Avery, who everyone thought was overdrafted because he could run but not run routes, actually had a decent rookie year. Knox looks to have great hands, and there's a real place for these smallish receivers. Short area quickness is what the slot is all about, and he looks to have it.

 

Stuckey is an interesting comparison. He ran a 4.65 in Indy coming off that injury, but anyone who had ever watched him play at Clemson knew he was faster than that. And more than just faster, he's a waterbug. That's what makes the difference in the slot more than straight line speed.

 

I think you're right. I'm sure Mangini has his eyes out for a slot guy like Knox.

 

 

[DTBH]

Some players don't measure well at the combine and perform well in the NFL. Some blow up the combine but don't pan out in the NFL. Some do both, some do neither.

 

That's why I think it's always best to find players with the right mind. You get a guy with the drive and desire to succeed, the mental toughness to persevere, coupled with the intelligence to understand how to make it happen, an inch of height here or 3 lbs there or 1/10th of a second of a 40 there or a bit of hip flexion or extra knee bend there doesn't mean shit.