Guest Aloysius Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 But your post misses the entire point. Whether or not Brady and the Pats had a year for the record books in 2007, it has no bearing on my point. The point is Tom brady was going to go down as one of the top 10 QB's in the history of the NFL before Randy Moss....And Tom brady won numerous Championships and MVP's with, yes, very average WR's. We are talking great Qb's and Championships here......And my point is still the same and just as valid. If that's your point, doesn't it speak more to the greatness of Tom Brady than what we should do to insure our young QB succeeds? If we make personnel moves based on the assumption that we already have a Tom Brady, we won't do enough to make sure BQ has anywhere near that kind of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 If that's your point, doesn't it speak more to the greatness of Tom Brady than what we should do to insure our young QB succeeds? If we make personnel moves based on the assumption that we already have a Tom Brady, we won't do enough to make sure BQ has anywhere near that kind of success. It may speak to his greatness to a point but at the same time Brady has very normal stats when it comes to the amount of times he gets sacked in a year, or the amount of TD's to INT's he throws in a year, or his rushing yards. Those stats of Tom's are very average. Until 2007, Brady had never thrown as many TD's as Derek Anderson in one year. (29) But he still won and was recognized as one of the great players. Not because of his great arm or elusivenss or the great WR's he was throwing to. He was great because he completed over 60% of his passes and the Pats were great as a team. They played great defense and ran the ball well and were good enough in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobalaz Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Every time I see someone rip the ball to Edwards I hear that Necessary Roughness voice in the back of my head "Don't throw it to Stonehands!" That being said right now, unfortunately, he's our target nearing capable. JJ is done. Stallworth pulls his vagina 15 out of 16 games a year. Rucker is unproven. Steptoe is a #4 at best. Hubbard needs to show something near consistency to be a #3. Sad thing is, with Cribbs never seeing the field those guys are the cream of our crop. I always thought Cribbs would be a better back than receiver and is wasting away at the wideout spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Braylon is not as great as mz the pussy makes him out to be. He has an extreme attitude. He belongs in a tinsel town atmosphere (i.e. = not Cleveland). Ship him to NY, Miami or PHI. mz the pussy loves Braylon's hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 mz the pussy loves Braylon's hands That's actually one of your better football takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solon16 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I just want to reiterate.... the reason to dump BE has nothing to do with talent or dropped passes . It has to do to the fact he'll be a free agent next year. He doesn't want to be a Brown and wants the Fack out of OHIO. It is about getting something Now, while we can get something for him, otherwise he'll be gone next year without anything more than a compensatory pick in last part of third round! I personally think we can do way better than that and would try to get him to the eagles or Giants as soon as I could for a late first rounder if possible or somewhere in the NFC. He will not be a Brown after next year! That is why I want him gone! sincerely, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Really? What great WR's did Tom Brady throw to for all of the Patriot championship teams? David Patten? Torrence Small? Troy Brown? Deion Branch? Kevin Kasper? David Givens? Shep is exactly right!!! Hey I am not saying Brady needed a Moss. Brady is a freak, in the Top 5 of all time, so using him as an example of why WE don't need a #1 is apples and oranges. Currently we do not have a consistent offensive system to rely upon. Not saying we need to keep Braylon just so we have a #1 stud, I am saying we need a #1 stud with NFL experience. BE had a bad year last season, no question. And with his contract up, maybe we should trade him. But without a replacement of equal talent - and he does have awesome talent - I cannot see moving him. Remember also, those Patriot defenses helped make up for early mistakes Brady made in his career, something we don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Hey I am not saying Brady needed a Moss. Brady is a freak, in the Top 5 of all time, so using him as an example of why WE don't need a #1 is apples and oranges. Currently we do not have a consistent offensive system to rely upon. Not saying we need to keep Braylon just so we have a #1 stud, I am saying we need a #1 stud with NFL experience. BE had a bad year last season, no question. And with his contract up, maybe we should trade him. But without a replacement of equal talent - and he does have awesome talent - I cannot see moving him. Remember also, those Patriot defenses helped make up for early mistakes Brady made in his career, something we don't have. I won't disagree that it's a bit of comparing apples to oranges. You are right. But as much as Brady has won, his numbers before 2007 were not staggering. He got sacked on an average of around 28 times a year. He'd throw 12 to 14 INT's a year and until 2007 he never threw as many TD's in a season as Derek Anderson did in one season (29) He'll go down as one of the greats because he won a lot. He won a lot because of NE's defense and ability to run the ball as well as Brady's arm. I don't think it would be too much to expect BQ complete 60% of his passes and to throw 24 TD's to 12 INT's. 24 TD's is 1.5 a game. That is a reasonable expectation for Quinn. These numbers are very Tom Brady like before his freakish year of 2007. The Pats won championships with the former numbers. If you keep Edwards you better plan on franchising him the next year. If you don't, he walks and you get nothing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I just don't see the "super star" talent that some are talking about in here. I see a cry baby. Last year he couldn't catch the ball. I say dump him for what we can get. His speed is questionable. His hands are not good, at least not last year. He has an extreme attitude. Fook him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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