MLD Woody Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 All one thread now? Geez... I miss being special... (and I will eventually do this. I've just been busy. Plus, I don't know much about Wolverines in the NFL pre-90s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I guess we are going to pile them all into one thread...so be it. Here is the All Ohio State Pro team. Though I am not an alum, I have certainly followed them all my life and know them as well as anyone: QB Mike Tomsczak RB Eddie George WR Paul Warfield WR Chris Carter TE Ricky Dudley (kind of a "Dud" position for the Buckeyes) OSPWC: Tom Matte (played RB and QB at times) OT: Orlando Pace OT: Jim Tyrer OG William Roberts OG Doug Van Horn OC Nick Mangold DBs: Dick LeBeau, Jack Tatum, Antoine Winfield, Sean Springs DEs: Jim Marshall, Will Smith DTs: Bill Willis, Ryan Pickett LBs: Randy Gradishar, Chris Spielman, Pepper Johnson, Stan White P: Tom Tupa K: Lou Groza KR: Ted Ginn Second Team: QB Kent Graham RB Robert Smith WR Joey Galloway WR Dante Lavelli TE John Frank OSWC Keith Byars OT Dick Shafrath OT Jim Lachey OG Rob Sims OG Tim Vogler OC Kirk Lowdermilk DBs: Nate Clements, Chris Gamble, Tim Fox, Donte Whitner DTs Dan Wilkinson, Alonzo Spellman DEs: Keith Ferguson, Cameron Heyward LBs: Jim Houston, Bob Brudzinski, Mike Vrabel, AJ Hawk K: Tim Nugent P: Tom Skladany KR: Neil Colzie Italics: HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 All one thread now? Geez... I miss being special... (and I will eventually do this. I've just been busy. Plus, I don't know much about Wolverines in the NFL pre-90s) there is a simple resource for this: PFR...."schools". I Will help you out with your "pre 1990 Wolverine team" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Here is your pre 1990 Michigan team. Caveat is that the players career must have ended before 1990: QB Larry Cipa (all decent Mich QBs have played since 1990) RB Ron Johnson TE Jim Mandich WR John Harden WR Jim Smith OT John Geisler OT Steve Smith OG Dan Dierdorf OG Tom Mack OC John Morrow Offensive Wildcard: Elroy Hirsch DBs: Dave Brown, Rick Volk, Thom Darden, Randy Logan, LBs: John Anderson, Frank Nunley, Mel Owen, Bill Laskey DEs: Curtis Greer, Dave Gallagher DTs: Tom Keating, Kevin Brooks K: Ali Haji Sheikh P: Dan Brancken KR: Harlan Huckleby Italics: HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 there is a simple resource for this: PFR...."schools". I know, I know. But anyone could just look up numbers and post the highest. I Will help you out with your "pre 1990 Wolverine team" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 there is a simple resource for this: PFR...."schools". I know, I know. But anyone could just look up numbers and post the highest. I Will help you out with your "pre 1990 Wolverine team" PFR gives you the list of who played.....and you can look and use the "highest" number if you wish....but you don't have to. You can go by your preferred recollection. Some schools are more fertile at different positions....take OSU.....not much at QB or OG....but ooutstanding at WR/LB/DB/OT and a few other slots. Its a resource, not a be all end all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 All Louisville team QB- Johnny Unitas RB- Michael Bush FB- Ernie Green WR- Mark Clayton, Ernest Givens WR- Deon Branch, Harry Douglas TE- Ibn Green, Gary Barnidge OT- Joe Jacoby, Reuben Oben, Bruce Armstrong OG- Jason Spitzer, Alex Kupper C- Eric Wood DE- Elvis Dumerville, Joe Johnson DT- Ted Washington, Amobi Okoye LB- Tom Jackson, Doug Buffone, Otis Wilson CB- Sam Madison, Frank Minnifield, Ray Buchanan FS- Kerry Rhodes SS- Calvin Pryor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Technically, Ernie Green played Halfback for the Browns.....but in reality, he was a prime blocking back and in today's terms he would be considered perhaps a Fullback....or something H-back whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Penn State 47 Man: QB Kerry Collins (2 Pro Bowls) / Milt Plum 2 / Jeff Hostetler 1 FB Richie Anderson 1/ Michael Robinson 1 RB Franco Harris 9 /Lenny Moore 7 /Lydell Mitchell 3 / Curt Warner 3 WR1 Bobby Engram/ Joe Jurevicius WR2 OJ McDuffie/ Jimmy Cefalo / Dick Hoak 1 TE Mickey Shuler 2/ Ted Kwalick 3 T Stew Barber 5/ Keith Dorney 1/ Kareem Mackenzie/ Brad Benson 1 G Mike Munchak 9 / Steve Wisnewski 8 / Marco Rivera 3 C Jeff Hartings 2 / Tom Rafferty DT Rosey Grier 2/ Mike Reid 2 / Tim Johnson DE Tamba Hali 4 / Bruce Clark 1 / Mike Hartenstein ILB Matt Millen 1 / Shane Conlan 3 / Navorro Bowman 2 / Lance Mehl 1 OLB Jack Ham 8 / Dave Robinson 3 / Cameron Wake 4 / Lavar Arrington 3 S Mike Zordick / Darren Perry / Kim Herring / Harry Hamilton CB David Macklin / Paul Lankford K Matt Bahr P Greg Montgomery 1 Offense: We're going to run the ball a lot. Great stable of running backs behind an awesome interior offensive line, but we have some clutch receivers for Collins to throw to as well. So much depth at RB that I moved Hoak out to flanker, and Lenny Moore will be third-down back and all-around headache. Defense: Linebacker U ... Standouts like Ralph Baker, Paul Pusluszny, Rich Milot, Andre Collins and Greg Buttle got left off the roster, and there is an old-timer, Chuck Drazenovich, that probably belongs on the roster, but i don't know much about him, 4 pro bowls. Strong up front, and solid safeties, but apparently Joe Pa didn't produce too many cornerbacks, I only found two solid starters, we will utilize the safeties to do some press coverage, but hopefully our front seven will be so fierce we can hide our weakness in the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have always contended that Ohio State actually has produced more better LBs than PSU has. PSU has Ham, Conlan, Robinson, Millen, Bowman, Baker, Arrington, Poslusny and some others OSU has had Gradishar, Spielman, Pepper, Stan White, Vrabel, Laurenitis, Hawk, Brudzinski, Houston, Diggs, Cousineau and others The one other school that could contest PSU/OSU is probably USC with the likes of Seau, Matthews/Matthews, Rod Martin, Tatupu, Chip Banks, Maualauga, Del Rio, Cushing, Duane Bickett and some others. Any other schools? Illinois may not have quantity, but they had quality producing both Butkus and Nitschke. Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 We have a good list from the 70s on. I'd have to double check their NFL production. Our best LB ever had to leave the NFL after just a few years due to injuries, but he was the league's tackle leader in that span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 In this light, we could do: Best school at producing which position: Running backs? Syracuse has had an historical top spot: JB, Csonka, Floyd Little. All HOF. USC of course, with OJ, Gifford, Marcus Allen etc. QBs? Alabama has to be looked at: Starr, Namath, Stabler, Richard Todd. Miami's Big Three is pretty good: Vinny, Kelly, Bernie Purdue has to be considered: Griese, Dawson, Everett, Brees, Jeff George, Orton, Danielson, even Phipps. WR? Ohio State doesn't take a back seat: 3 HOF: Carter, Lavelli, Warfield. What other schools have excelled at producing certain positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Texas, Florida, LSU all call themselves DBU. But that was fairly short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Texas, Florida, LSU all call themselves DBU. But that was fairly short term. Ironically, just read an article at NFL . com about who the real DBU is.....here's a link.....GREAT article!!!! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000494312/article/which-school-is-db-u-ohio-state-miami-lead-top-contenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The real OSU had arguably the best starter/back up situation at RB with Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Ironically, just read an article at NFL . com about who the real DBU is.....here's a link.....GREAT article!!!! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000494312/article/which-school-is-db-u-ohio-state-miami-lead-top-contenders If you just go by which schools have the most HOF inductees at the DB position, you get a tie between 3 schools with 2 HOFers each: Iowa, USC, and Southern But, in actuality, what has the most HOF DBs is: the traditional black colleges. Jackson St., Grambling, Southern, Prairie View A&M, Scottsbluff College, Bishop all have HOF players. Of course these schools were in the south...and most of the HOF DBs still come from the time of southern discrimination. Today, the guys that may have in earlier times had to go to Grambling or Southern now probably go to Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Ironically, just read an article at NFL . com about who the real DBU is.....here's a link.....GREAT article!!!! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000494312/article/which-school-is-db-u-ohio-state-miami-lead-top-contenders Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The real OSU had arguably the best starter/back up situation at RB with Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas respectively. They have had good RBs, true. Not much else. Those two are the only 2 OK St. players in the HOF. Edit: I will take that back. OK St. has produced some very good defensive linemen: Kevin Williams, Jamal Williams, Leslie O'Neal and Jerry Sherk. None HOF at this point though K. Williams may have an outside shot. O'Neal was borderline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 We have a good list from the 70s on. I'd have to double check their NFL production. Our best LB ever had to leave the NFL after just a few years due to injuries, but he was the league's tackle leader in that span. Yes, the premise is which guys at each position from your school had the best Pro career....not college. It would be foolish of me to wax poetic about the Pro careers of Craig Krenzel and Troy Smith....but one did win a national championship and the other a Heisman.....but not so fast my friend on their pro career. (and the opposite is true....shit...take Tom Brady. He had to fend off Champ Henson to start for Michigan......but one of the greatest pro QBs ever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 They have had good RBs, true. Not much else. Those two are the only 2 OK St. players in the HOF. Edit: I will take that back. OK St. has produced some very good defensive linemen: Kevin Williams, Jamal Williams, Leslie O'Neal and Jerry Sherk. None HOF at this point though K. Williams may have an outside shot. O'Neal was borderline. Dez Bryant is well on his way. Russell Okung is doing his thing in Seattle. R.W McQuarters was a hell of a returner in the NFL. Durrant Williams was a hell of a player for Denver before tragically passing away. Parrish Cox and Brandon Pettigrew are still in the NFL. I had high hopes for Reshaun Woods, Justin Blackmon, and Tatum Bell but they all ran into some issues in the NFL. And you can't forget the "brillance" of Weeden either. Not half bad for an overshadowed wrestling school. Edit: I can't believe I forgot about Josh Fields. He was a hell of a QB but ended up playing baseball. He would've been good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 My other alma mater... Youngstown State University... not exactly the most feared of teams... QB - Ron Jaworski QB - Cliff Stoudt (Started 1 year for Pit, 9-6 record in 1983, 8-year career) WR - Bobby Jones (6 career TDs in 6-year career with Jets and Browns) WR - Donald Jones (3-year career in Buffalo, made 10 starts in 2012) TE - Craig Cotton (6-year career in early 70s) G - Lamar Mady (current backup G for the Raiders) K - Jeff Wilkins (14-year career, including one Pro Bowl) LB - Tim Johnson (played 6 years in the early 00s, had 0.5 sacks) CB - Brandian Ross (current backup SS for the Raiders, started 10 games in 2014) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Nice. On the Miami vs. Ohio St. DB issue, since the 1970 draft Ohio St. has had the following DBs make at least 1 Pro Bowl: Jack Tatum Tim Fox Todd Bell Shaun Gayle Shawn Springs Antoine Winfield Nate Clements Donte Whitner Miami has has the following make a Pro Bowl: Fred Marion Bennie Blades Ryan McNeil Tremain Mack Ed Reed Sean Taylor Antrelle Rolle Brandon Meriweather Compare: in the same 45 years, Alabama has had one single DB make a Pro Bowl: Roman Harper. USC has had 5: Dennis Smith, Ronnie Lott, Joey Browner, Mark Carrier, Polamalu Florida: 2: Lito Sheppard and Joe Haden FSU: JT Thomas, Deion Sanders, Leroy Butler, Samari Roll, Chris Hope, Antonio Cromartie. Michigan: Thom Darden, Dave Brown, Keith Bostic, Ty Law, Charles Woodson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Dez Bryant is well on his way. Russell Okung is doing his thing in Seattle. R.W McQuarters was a hell of a returner in the NFL. Durrant Williams was a hell of a player for Denver before tragically passing away. Parrish Cox and Brandon Pettigrew are still in the NFL. I had high hopes for Reshaun Woods, Justin Blackmon, and Tatum Bell but they all ran into some issues in the NFL. And you can't forget the "brillance" of Weeden either. Not half bad for an overshadowed wrestling school. I would say, yes about half bad. In terms of producing the most quality NFL players, they are far down the list. In fact, here are the Top 25 schools in terms of producing Pro Bowl seasons from their players: 1. USC 2. Notre Dame 3. Miami 4. Ohio St. 5. Tennessee 6. Pitt 7. Michigan St 8. Michigan 9. Penn St. 10. Texas 11. Georgia 12. Purdue 13. Arizona St. 14. UCLA 15. LSU 16. Alabama 17. Syracuse 18. Texas A&M 19. Cal 20. Nebraska 21. Iowa 22. Minnesota 23. Florida St. 24. Oklahoma 25. Oregon OK St. is #43...just 2 notches above Northwestern (and....oh, yeah....the reigning NCAA Wrestling National Champions: The Ohio State University) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Pitt's NFL production is always crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 My other alma mater... Youngstown State University... not exactly the most feared of teams... QB - Ron Jaworski QB - Cliff Stoudt (Started 1 year for Pit, 9-6 record in 1983, 8-year career) WR - Bobby Jones (6 career TDs in 6-year career with Jets and Browns) WR - Donald Jones (3-year career in Buffalo, made 10 starts in 2012) TE - Craig Cotton (6-year career in early 70s) G - Lamar Mady (current backup G for the Raiders) K - Jeff Wilkins (14-year career, including one Pro Bowl) LB - Tim Johnson (played 6 years in the early 00s, had 0.5 sacks) CB - Brandian Ross (current backup SS for the Raiders, started 10 games in 2014) My other alma mater is Cleveland St.......and no football program. If I used my kids schools....well...Kenyon had all of 2 players ever play i the NFL....but Trinity did have 2 players make a Pro Bowl (and a 1st round pick of the Cleveland Browns). And my sons other school....the best players to come out of there were a kicker, Pete Gogolak,and Ed Marinaro....who may be better known as an actor on Hill Street Blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Pitt's NFL production is always crazy. My number relates "Pro Bowl seasons" by players from that school, not individual players. And while Pitt has produced as many players as some schools, they have produced some of the most productive, Like Marino, Dorsett, Curtis Martin, Doleman, Rickey Jackson, Darrelle Revis going strong, Stepnoski, Fralic, Grimm, Covert, Ditka...and even the jealous bastard Mark May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I guess since they have had the most players in the NFL and the HOF, somebody should do a USC roster: QB - Bill Nelsen (1 X Pro Bowler), barely beats out Pat Haden b/c of longer career and better QB Rating RB - Marcus Allen (HOF) RB - OJ Simpson (HOF) WR - Keyshawn Johnson (3X Pro bowler, 10,500 career receiving yards) WR - Lynn Swann (HOF) OFS - Frank Gifford (HOF) TE - Morris (Red) Badgro (HOF) OL - Bruce Matthews (HOF) OL - Anthony Munoz (HOF) OL - Ron Mix (HOF) OL - Ron Yary (HOF) OL - Ryan Kalil (4X Pro Bowler, and counting) DL - Darrell Russell (2X Pro Bowler) DL - Mike Patterson DL - Willie McGinest (2X Pro Bowler) LB - Junior Seau (HOF) LB - Clay Matthews (4X Pro Bowler, HOF semi-finalist) LB - Rod Martin (2X Pro Bowler) LB - Chip Banks (4X Pro Bowler) DB - Ronnie Lott (HOF) DB - Willie Wood (HOF) DB - Tim McDonald (6X Pro Bowler) DB - Dennis Smith (6X Pro Bowler) DB - Troy Polamalu (8X Pro Bowler) DB - Joey Browner (6X Pro Bowler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 My number relates "Pro Bowl seasons" by players from that school, not individual players. And while Pitt has produced as many players as some schools, they have produced some of the most productive, Like Marino, Dorsett, Curtis Martin, Doleman, Rickey Jackson, Darrelle Revis going strong, Stepnoski, Fralic, Grimm, Covert, Ditka...and even the jealous bastard Mark May. Yep. Plus Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 That is another Greg Lloyd right? Not the former Steeler LB? It's actually Greg Lloyd, Jr. - the son of former Steeler LB Greg Lloyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 I guess since they have had the most players in the NFL and the HOF, somebody should do a USC roster: QB - Bill Nelsen (1 X Pro Bowler), barely beats out Pat Haden b/c of longer career and better QB Rating RB - Marcus Allen (HOF) RB - OJ Simpson (HOF) WR - Keyshawn Johnson (3X Pro bowler, 10,500 career receiving yards) WR - Lynn Swann (HOF) OFS - Frank Gifford (HOF) TE - Morris (Red) Badgro (HOF) OL - Bruce Matthews (HOF) OL - Anthony Munoz (HOF) OL - Ron Mix (HOF) OL - Ron Yary (HOF) OL - Ryan Kalil (4X Pro Bowler, and counting) DL - Darrell Russell (2X Pro Bowler) DL - Mike Patterson DL - Willie McGinest (2X Pro Bowler) LB - Junior Seau (HOF) LB - Clay Matthews (4X Pro Bowler, HOF semi-finalist) LB - Rod Martin (2X Pro Bowler) LB - Chip Banks (4X Pro Bowler) DB - Ronnie Lott (HOF) DB - Willie Wood (HOF) DB - Tim McDonald (6X Pro Bowler) DB - Dennis Smith (6X Pro Bowler) DB - Troy Polamalu (8X Pro Bowler) DB - Joey Browner (6X Pro Bowler) Yea, pretty darn good. But would not perhaps Carson Palmer get the nod as best QB that school has produced? I am obviously a Bill Nelsen guy....but Palmer may have had the more productive career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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