OldBrownsFan Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Of course not. Anybody that believes that story literally is an idiot imo. It's pretty clear to me that it was an urban legend so to speak, and it somehow got stamped into cannon by morons. Some guy probably built a big ass boat and loaded up some of his favorite livestock and rode it out to high ground. Probably a fantastically amazing story at the time given where human technology probably was. People looked at that story thousands of years later and said lets turn that into a genesis story for our social control project. Let me see...believe the words of Cleve or Jesus? Sorry Cleve I'm sticking with the words of Jesus: Matthew 24: 37 As the days of Noah were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be. 38 For in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah boarded the ark. 39 They didn’t know until the flood came and swept them all away.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Don't listen to Cleve Listen to common sense and basic physics/biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Don't listen to Cleve Listen to common sense and basic physics/biology. Common sense: take the lifeline God is giving you. It will never happen with your attitude. God doesn't have to prove anything to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Common sense: take the lifeline God is giving you. It will never happen with your attitude. God doesn't have to prove anything to you. Common sense is leaving it in the court of the sky wizard to prove its existence. Not for logical human beings to sit there and try to convince themselves, against their better judgment, to believe in whacky fairy tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Common sense is leaving it in the court of the sky wizard to prove its existence. Not for logical human beings to sit there and try to convince themselves, against their better judgment, to believe in whacky fairy tales. There is enough proof. Because you don't accept it only means you have free will to reject it. God does not need to prove anything to any human being. Anything we receive is not because we deserve anything. He sent His Son to die on a cross, that was enough for me, more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 There is enough proof. Because you don't accept it only means you have free will to reject it. God does not need to prove anything to any human being. Anything we receive is not because we deserve anything. He sent His Son to die on a cross, that was enough for me, more than enough. There is zero proof of God. I tend to settle on the most logical explanation for things. If the argument for there being a good is the same argument you could use for proof of Peter Pan being real then your position is pretty flimsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 There is zero proof of God. I tend to settle on the most logical explanation for things. If the argument for there being a good is the same argument you could use for proof of Peter Pan being real then your position is pretty flimsy. The only logical explanation I found for things was in the bible which explains the reason for man, the reason for earth, the reason for creation, the reason for the stellar universe, and everything else I was seeking. No matter how much the book of Genesis gets criticized for stating God spoke the universe into being the alternative is to believe the universe came into being out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I wish we could compare scans of both of our brains. I am amazed someone can think and come to the conclusions you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 woodpeckers have small brains. Humans have a right and left lobe, with with some differences. Some are right lobed, some are left lobed. It's all about perception. In the woodpecker's case, they don't have any lobes, just a brain the size of a chickpea. Not good. Constant concussions, and all they can understand is their beaks hit stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I wish we could compare scans of both of our brains. I am amazed someone can think and come to the conclusions you have You are amazed because I actually believe the bible. It is the age we are living in. As society becomes more "enlightened" and gets away from the teachings of the bible for some reason it doesn't seem to make society any better but worse. There really is nothing new under the sun. We are living in an age where people are doing what is right in their own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 You are amazed because I actually believe the bible. It is the age we are living in. As society becomes more "enlightened" and gets away from the teachings of the bible for some reason it doesn't seem to make society any better but worse. There really is nothing new under the sun. We are living in an age where people are doing what is right in their own eyes. Other parts of the world have not been following the teachings of the Bible at any time in their history. I don't think the Japanese are too worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't think the Japanese in WW2 were too concerned about any kind of morality either. The war crimes they committed are as bad as anything in human history: http://www.ww2pacific.com/atrocity.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I wish we could compare scans of both of our brains. I am amazed someone can think and come to the conclusions you have Some would say yours would look like this... Others may say it would look like this... Either way, they're pretty much the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 You are amazed because I actually believe the bible. It is the age we are living in. As society becomes more "enlightened" and gets away from the teachings of the bible for some reason it doesn't seem to make society any better but worse. There really is nothing new under the sun. We are living in an age where people are doing what is right in their own eyes. I'm amazed you can believe so strongly in something, and let it have a major impact on your life, when no evidence exists in support of it. My brain and many others don't work like that. I wont believe in a god just because a book has stories telling me to. You really think society is worse off now that we're getting religion influence us less? Really? In what ways are we worse now than in the Middle Ages? On to Logics point, how about every other non Christian nation? Are they all doomed? How have they manages all of these centuries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm amazed you can believe so strongly in something, and let it have a major impact on your life, when no evidence exists in support of it. My brain and many others don't work like that. I wont believe in a god just because a book has stories telling me to. You really think society is worse off now that we're getting religion influence us less? Really? In what ways are we worse now than in the Middle Ages? On to Logics point, how about every other non Christian nation? Are they all doomed? How have they manages all of these centuries... I believe in many miracles but it all starts with one. By a miracle God has preserved His word for us today. Isa. 40.:8. 1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." 2. Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day. 3. At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: "He...hangs the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7). 4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote). 5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: "Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?" (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when "British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing" (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia). 6. Job 38:19 asks, "Where is the way where light dwells?" Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," traveling at 186,000 miles per second. 7. Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: "When the morning stars sang together..." 8. "Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth" (Time, Dec. 1976). 9. Solomon described a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists "discovered" them. "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiastes 1:6). 10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion. Genesis 1:1,2 revealed such truths to the Hebrews in 1450 B.C.: "In the beginning [time] God created [power] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter] . . . And the Spirit of God moved [motion] upon the face of the waters." The first thing God tells man is that He controls of all aspects of the universe. 11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled," and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: "For the life is in the blood". 12. Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time. "Our sense of right and wrong and our sense of wisdom come from the use of reason and common sense, but also, and importantly, from the Bible which, by faith was considered by our Founding Fathers to be God's inspired text; and not just from the mind or heart of man. This faith lead to the mottos: "In God We Trust" and "One Nation under God." Our Founding Fathers were believers in the God of the Bible, even if some were not orthodox Christians, and they put that faith into the Declaration of Independence, into our laws, into our national monuments, and into our culture. Faith is a part of American Culture, something Atheists, Secularists, Humanists and those of other religions should acknowledge and accept as historically accurate truth. To remove the results of Biblical Faith from America is to undo what the Founding Fathers have wrought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 There is enough proof. Because you don't accept it only means you have free will to reject it. God does not need to prove anything to any human being. Anything we receive is not because we deserve anything. He sent His Son to die on a cross, that was enough for me, more than enough. There is no empirical proof of anything. I could talk about the things that happened to me but what for? They were my personal experiences that I couldn't prove jack shit. That's what god is, faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Don't listen to Cleve Listen to common sense and basic physics/biology. No he should absolutely listen to me I'm pretty much the most important person around. Anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 There is no empirical proof of anything. I could talk about the things that happened to me but what for? They were my personal experiences that I couldn't prove jack shit. That's what god is, faith Unless it is too personal what happened with your near death experiences? I thought I read in another post that had happened to you. Anyway if it is personal I understand. I have had some miracles in my family I won't post. At the time they happened I never thought about asking the doctors for notarized statements. I was so happy about it It never even occurred to me to try and get statements from the doctors and hospitals. My family and I know they happened though and it was after prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 No he should absolutely listen to me I'm pretty much the most important person around. Anywhere. The main deity in the theology of analism, ie being the biggest asshole around. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't think the Japanese in WW2 were too concerned about any kind of morality either. The war crimes they committed are as bad as anything in human history: http://www.ww2pacific.com/atrocity.html Nazis came from a westernized Christian country. I am just saying that lots of spots are doing just fine without Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 The main deity in the theology of analism, ie being the biggest asshole around. WSS Love it. Hope you know i'm trolling hard though. It's kind of my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 yeah I had an ND experience that was weird. However the most profound experience of my life happened on a glorious and bright Saturday morning with the sun streaming onto my face as I lay in bed hovering in that space between awake and snoozing. Basically I got proof "to myself" of our consciousness being able to exist outside our bodies. What that means in the grand scheme of things I have "ZERO" idea. Like I always say the universe showed "me" something that morning, and one other time actually prior to that. But I don't harp about it to people that they need to empirically acknowledge my experience, because I know that's impossible Unless it is too personal what happened with your near death experiences? I thought I read in another post that had happened to you. Anyway if it is personal I understand. I have had some miracles in my family I won't post. At the time they happened I never thought about asking the doctors for notarized statements. I was so happy about it It never even occurred to me to try and get statements from the doctors and hospitals. My family and I know they happened though and it was after prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote). no he did think it was a disk, like the sun. They absolutely did not know earth was a sphere. Otherwise people wouldn't have been "literally" killed for suggesting the rotund qualities of our planetary existence. This is more sneaky talk from Christians desperately trying to maintain the bibles relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 yeah I had an ND experience that was weird. However the most profound experience of my life happened on a glorious and bright Saturday morning with the sun streaming onto my face as I lay in bed hovering in that space between awake and snoozing. Basically I got proof "to myself" of our consciousness being able to exist outside our bodies. What that means in the grand scheme of things I have "ZERO" idea. Like I always say the universe showed "me" something that morning, and one other time actually prior to that. But I don't harp about it to people that they need to empirically acknowledge my experience, because I know that's impossible I would say that experience has kept you from being an atheist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 no he did think it was a disk, like the sun. They absolutely did not know earth was a sphere. Otherwise people wouldn't have been "literally" killed for suggesting the rotund qualities of our planetary existence. This is more sneaky talk from Christians desperately trying to maintain the bibles relevance. "Sneaky talk??" You are right it is all about the bible. At one time the bible was locked up in monasteries in a language the people did not understand (the dark ages). the printing press and mass producing of bibles has gotten the word of God into the hands of the masses so now the attack is the truthfulnesses of the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Nazis came from a westernized Christian country. I am just saying that lots of spots are doing just fine without Jesus. I started to post of the millions killed by Mao and Stalin but remembered Germany is in there as well. To me Germany is the classic case of evil flourishing when good people stand by and do nothing to stop it: Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps. Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation: First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 So Nazis did bad things, but get a pass, because there were some good Christians in Germany. But Japan doesn't get a pass, because it wasn't a Christian nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 So Nazis did bad things, but get a pass, because there were some good Christians in Germany. But Japan doesn't get a pass, because it wasn't a Christian nation? Who is giving Germany a pass? The German pastor who wrote about doing nothing when the Nazis came after the Jews admitted he was wrong and what happened was because too many like him didn't speak out because the groups the Nazis were going after did not affect him and by the time it did there was nobody to come to his aid. The moral of that story is you stick up for justice no matter whose ox is getting gored because if you allow it you might be next on the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 woodypeckerhead strikes again. Meanwhile, Einstein denies he was an atheist... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/11/einsteins-personal-letters-give-insight-into-how-he-advised-his-children-how-he-believed-in-god/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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