Westside Steve Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 http://conservativepost.com/new-bible-translation-eliminates-father-son-holy-spirit-and-messiah-because-it-insults-muslims/ Old Browns fan have you heard of this? (yes Woody, we know, 6000 years) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Holy shit no! That has the be the first time the word of god has ever been modified! Isn't Allah just god in Arabic? Don't Christians that speak Arabic say Allah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 http://conservativepost.com/new-bible-translation-eliminates-father-son-holy-spirit-and-messiah-because-it-insults-muslims/ Old Browns fan have you heard of this? (yes Woody, we know, 6000 years) WSS This is not anything really "new" when religions are trying to spread to new regions they usually adjust the message so people change only a little bit of their practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I believe we are living in the end times. All the signs are there. Jesus said there would be a falling away right before He returned. There are some churches today that ordain homosexual ministers, are pro abortion and are anti Israel so it does not surprise me about this new translation of the bible. On the gay issue you will soon see more churches going against clear teaching of the wrongness of homosexuality and accepting it as they try to stay relevant. Although churches have decreased in membership in recent years the evangelical Christian branch that believes in the authority of the scriptures continues to grow showing that you don't have to compromise. My guess is there will be even more new versions of the bible that will be changed to fit the version of events on the ground today such as making homosexuality out not to be a sinful lifestyle. Every-time I see something like Gay pride week I think why don't we have Adultery pride week as well? As the schools have taught the theory of evolution as a fact instead of a theory it has done nothing but destroy faith. It has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions. It is not surprising that many become atheists when they are taught by the government schools and media that they are nothing more than evolved pond scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 As the schools have taught the theory of evolution as a fact instead of a theory it has done nothing but destroy faith. It has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions. It is not surprising that many become atheists when they are taught by the government schools and media that they are nothing more than evolved pond scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 LIberals desperately love their theories - makes them feel happy... for some screwed up, asswipe reason. End Times? We are headed for big, very serious trouble. Closer every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 We go through this every month or two, the difference between 'theory' in common parlance, and 'theory' in the scientific world. Do I really need to explain it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Actually I completely support linguists and theologians and historians doing what they can to get to the original meanings of any biblical translation. I don't know what the basis of this particular effort is though. Merely for clarification or to make a political statement? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Actually I completely support linguists and theologians and historians doing what they can to get to the original meanings of any biblical translation. I don't know what the basis of this particular effort is though. Merely for clarification or to make a political statement? WSS For sure, I'm always a proponent of reading things in the original language. Lots of things get lost in translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Actually I completely support linguists and theologians and historians doing what they can to get to the original meanings of any biblical translation. I don't know what the basis of this particular effort is though. Merely for clarification or to make a political statement? WSS I have many translations of the bible as well as using Greek and Hebrew dictionaries for word studies. You have to stay faithful to the original meanings or you are inventing a new bible. It seems to me they are mis translating the original texts to try to appease and not offend Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have many translations of the bible as well as using Greek and Hebrew dictionaries for word studies. You have to stay faithful to the original meanings or you are inventing a new bible. It seems to me they are mis translating the original texts to try to appease and not offend Muslims. I agree very much that you want to get the spirit of what is being said as much as, if not more than, the letter. But equally, it's important to consider the environment they were in, so while not eating 'unclean' animals may have been sound advice then, we have ways of making them disease free today, so there shouldn't be such a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have often thought there would have been a good chance of shellfish being tainted by the time it got to its destination in the desert on the back of a mule. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have often thought there would have been a good chance of shellfish being tainted by the time it got to its destination in the desert on the back of a mule. WSS Yep. So it was sound advice, at the time, in that location. For us? Not so much of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Every-time I see something like Gay pride week I think why don't we have Adultery pride week as well? That's actually kind of an easy one. See adultery is fucking someone else over. It's kind of a douchey asshole move. Being gay is just a state of being. Of course gay people can commit adultery on their spouses now as well, but it's not gay adulterating pride week is it? That was a pretty easy distinction to parse, took my brain quite literally milliseconds to understand the difference. Are there any other cognitive dissonances you're keeping stored away you'd like my help with? I'm on my lunch right now so fire away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 As for this bible business, what exactly are they rewriting? Is it just the allah thing? I don't really know why i'm slightly annoyed by that cause I find neither the quran nor the bible relevant to my life even "slightly". But I doubt we'll be seeing muslims altering the quran anytime soon to appease Christian so it's a little obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I believe we are living in the end times. All the signs are there. Jesus said there would be a falling away right before He returned. There are some churches today that ordain homosexual ministers, are pro abortion and are anti Israel so it does not surprise me about this new translation of the bible. On the gay issue you will soon see more churches going against clear teaching of the wrongness of homosexuality and accepting it as they try to stay relevant. Although churches have decreased in membership in recent years the evangelical Christian branch that believes in the authority of the scriptures continues to grow showing that you don't have to compromise. My guess is there will be even more new versions of the bible that will be changed to fit the version of events on the ground today such as making homosexuality out not to be a sinful lifestyle. Every-time I see something like Gay pride week I think why don't we have Adultery pride week as well? As the schools have taught the theory of evolution as a fact instead of a theory it has done nothing but destroy faith. It has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions. It is not surprising that many become atheists when they are taught by the government schools and media that they are nothing more than evolved pond scum. I think as information has become more readily available, people are less likely to rely on religion to try to explain things that they can just google now and get a logical explanation. So yes, religion is losing out to science and common sense. Load up the bunker and get the family prepared for the coming of the sky wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I think as information has become more readily available, people are less likely to rely on religion to try to explain things that they can just google now and get a logical explanation. So yes, religion is losing out to science and common sense. Load up the bunker and get the family prepared for the coming of the sky wizard. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I love the difference between Sad's post and OBF's post. "This is nothing new because... [reasonable response]" Vs "We're in the end times! Gay people are bad! Evolution is a lie!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 As the schools have taught the theory of evolution as a fact instead of a theory it has done nothing but destroy faith. It has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions. It is not surprising that many become atheists when they are taught by the government schools and media that they are nothing more than evolved pond scum. + I shouldn't really even be surprised anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 We go through this every month or two, the difference between 'theory' in common parlance, and 'theory' in the scientific world. Do I really need to explain it again? Are they really going to have to repeat the 7th grade again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Well, woodyPECKERHEAD, read on. BTW, are you and Chris going to always agree? Let me know so I can decide whether or not Chris is a freakin birdbrain like you are. http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 "The way that scientists use the word 'theory' is a little different than how it is commonly used in the lay public," said Jaime Tanner, a professor of biology at Marlboro College. "Most people use the word 'theory' to mean an idea or hunch that someone has, but inscience the word 'theory' refers to the way that we interpret facts." "Every scientific theory starts as a hypothesis. According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, a hypothesis is an idea that hasn't been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon. " "Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Facts and theories are two different things. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts. " "The evolution of a scientific theory A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time. Theories are foundations for furthering scientific knowledge and for putting the information gathered to practical use. Scientists use theories to develop inventions or find a cure for a disease. Some believe that theories become laws, but theories and laws have separate and distinct roles in the scientific method. A law is a description of an observed phenomenon that hold true every time it is tested. It doesn't explain why something is true; it just states that it is true. A theory, on the other hand, explains observations that are gathered during the scientific process. So, while law and theory are part of the scientific process, they are two very different aspects, according to the National Science Teachers Association. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 If the theory of evolution destroys your faith, than you didn't have particularly strong faith to begin with. I myself even though not religious have suspicions about having been evolved from monkeys but for reasons other than Christians that I'm not going to get into. If it were infact true that genetically our species evolved from some other previous form or another, yeah I don't care...wouldn't give two fucks over it. Has zero impact on my plans when I leave this dump. I'd be interested to hear what your suspicions were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'd be interested to hear what your suspicions were. meh too convoluted. Some of it's based on gut spiritual instincts of mine that I've had since I was a little kid. Would be hard to follow is what i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Therefore, we can draw a few conclusions: A. mmgw is not a valid collection of all data that is pertinent. Some of it has been ignored in the race to say we have to act dramatically on a "crisis". B. Liberals love to refer, bassackwardsly, to mmgw as a "law". But as we keep saying, it is a THEORY - a hypothesis that has facts to back it up. However, there is concern that there are facts that also do NOT back it up. There you have controvsery, even within the scientific community. C. mmgw is no absolute truth. Liberals WANT it to be, and DEMAND that it be accepted as such, but the truth is, when you use mmgw as an abolute truth.."law", then you have to change that when you see that CO2 levels have been rising over ten years that the temp has not been climbing. D. So, liberals change definitions of words to try to justify their emotional nonsense. They use "theory" as "hypothesis",,,,, and then they use mmgw as a "law". But it has been proven to not be always true. So, just once, the Chrises and and woodpeckerheads can drop the act. It is only a theory, which means it is NOT A FREAKING LAW, as in "ABSOLUTE TRUTH". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 E. So, clearly, when something is a theory in the scientific method, it is clearly NOT a FACT, or "LAW". And, it is NOT the end of the scientific method. It has facts to justify it, but the question is, what about the evidence that it is not true? What about the "enough evidence" part? There has been concocted evidence, mistaken evidence, and ignored evidence. That is the scientific method Chris and woodypeckerhead want to go with? really? And we are suppose to dramatically give liberals the power to tax and fee and rule because of it? Not buyin it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 E. So, clearly, when something is a theory in the scientific method, it is clearly NOT a FACT, or "LAW". And, it is NOT the end of the scientific method. It has facts to justify it, but the question is, what about the evidence that it is not true? What about the "enough evidence" part? There has been concocted evidence, mistaken evidence, and ignored evidence. That is the scientific method Chris and woodypeckerhead want to go with? really? And we are suppose to dramatically give liberals the power to tax and fee and rule because of it? Not buyin it at all. Who or what would you go with cal? What is your alternative to the the scientific method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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