MLD Woody Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 http://www.livescience.com/963-lags-world-grasp-genetics-acceptance-evolution.html http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 At least you're above Turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Have you seen people from Iceland & Japan? I couldn't agree more. We can probably toss the Nordic countries' results since they believe they're all descended from a star or snowflake or something. /racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Taking a poll is not a good scientific method for finding out if something is true or false. Coincidently many of those countries have also trended toward being atheist. When I posted that Darwin's theory of evolution has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions I think your poll at least proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Taking a poll is not a good scientific method for finding out if something is true or false. Coincidently many of those countries have also trended toward being atheist. When I posted that Darwin's theory of evolution has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions I think your poll at least proved my point. That's not what the poll is trying to do though. As for the countries trending atheist, I would think that most developed countries these days are becoming more atheist. I don't see how evolution is 'destroying faith' though? I mean, all that's happening is saying "let us put any scripture aside for a moment, and find out what we can observe about the world, trust our own observations and see what happens" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 That's not what the poll is trying to do though. As for the countries trending atheist, I would think that most developed countries these days are becoming more atheist. I don't see how evolution is 'destroying faith' though? I mean, all that's happening is saying "let us put any scripture aside for a moment, and find out what we can observe about the world, trust our own observations and see what happens" But what happens is science only goes so far in proving things like the theory of evolution and then starts speculating. I see an analogy of climate change. There has always been climate change. Maybe if you took a poll most scientists would come down on the side of global warming but there are still many other scientists who would argue against it. I would want to be certain before wrecking our economy and putting people into hardships on unproven science. I have much more concern over a nuclear war that will destroy us over climate change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Stop ripping me off, Woody. I own the rights to the, "The Word We Live In" series. Of course sending some royalty money my way would go a long way in preventing a lawsuit from being filed. OTOH, some believe imitation is THE BEST form of flattery...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Taking a poll is not a good scientific method for finding out if something is true or false. Coincidently many of those countries have also trended toward being atheist. When I posted that Darwin's theory of evolution has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions I think your poll at least proved my point. Getting educated does tend to make it harder for one to believe in imaginary friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Getting educated does tend to make it harder for one to believe in imaginary friends. Believing in unproven theories of humans evolving from pond scum is getting educated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Believing in unproven theories of humans evolving from pond scum is getting educated? OBF *************************************************** They love to think it is. Woody is fond of thinking that challenging stuff is educated. Except you are never supposed to challenge abortion, gay redefinition of marriage, mmgw, etc. Liberals always get to decide what is allowed to considered "educated" and what isn't. Self-deifying to the max. Liberals thrive on self-deification - and whatever floats their boat to "intellectual elitism" is to be considered "true", and whatever doesn't, "false". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Believing in unproven theories of humans evolving from pond scum is getting educated? I will side with hard science and you can choose to believe in Jewish zombies and guys living in whales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Believing in unproven theories of humans evolving from pond scum is getting educated? OBF *************************************************** They love to think it is. Woody is fond of thinking that challenging stuff is educated. Except you are never supposed to challenge abortion, gay redefinition of marriage, mmgw, etc. Liberals always get to decide what is allowed to considered "educated" and what isn't. Self-deifying to the max. Liberals thrive on self-deification - and whatever floats their boat to "intellectual elitism" is to be considered "true", and whatever doesn't, "false". Yeah those stupid liberals what with their book learning and science. I hate them so much. Why can't they just not use their brains and instead choose the much more logical route that a sky wizard created it all and that scientists are a hive mind out to fleece all of humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Stop ripping me off, Woody. I own the rights to the, "The Word We Live In" series. Of course sending some royalty money my way would go a long way in preventing a lawsuit from being filed. OTOH, some believe imitation is THE BEST form of flattery...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Taking a poll is not a good scientific method for finding out if something is true or false. Coincidently many of those countries have also trended toward being atheist. When I posted that Darwin's theory of evolution has helped nobody but destroyed the faith of millions I think your poll at least proved my point. 1) you missed the point of the poll 2) more educated people /countries tend to be less religious 3) I'm sure you'll turn education into a bad thing now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Liberalism is a religion. An undying faith in government, the deity is the state, Obama its Pope, Washington the Vatican, the Communist Manifesto its Bible... capable of fixing, curing, bestowing, giving. As with other religions, Liberalism requires a level of faith despite evidence, facts, or data. Members of the Liberal faith look down upon those who don't believe as they believe. Their salvation is not about heaven, but rather about how good they feel about themselves through being compassionate, and others that don't believe the way they do cannot possibly possess compassion, therefore cannot be saved. Abortion and environmentalism are the sacraments of the Liberal faith. As with religions such as Catholicism, the religion of Liberalism derives at some of it rituals from ancient rituals. For example the rituals and customs practiced during Easter in Catholicism, and the ancient macabre religion of Baal worship in the Liberal faith. Abortion takes the place of child sacrifice at the altar of Baal where children were burned to death, alive. Amid the stench of burning flesh and screaming, the congregation engaged in bi-sexual and homosexual orgies as a act of reverence to Mother Earth...the environment. The state deity can create wealth. The same questions arise...why does the state (god) let there be suffering and poor people? Why doesn't the all loving state eliminate poverty? The state you must not question. It is the states will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'll take what Stuart's smoking please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'll take what Stuart's smoking please. I bet he was pretty proud after he got dome typing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I bet he was pretty proud after he got dome typing that. maybe... but in one sense he's absolutely correct and that is that the socialist dictatorships around the world attempt to eliminate religion as soon as possible. they need to impress upon the little people that government itself is God. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 dome typing? He types in a dome? woodypeckerhead pecks in a dome? Chris - where is the scientific evidence that proves that big gov solves all problems? hey, Woodpecker, maybe you have a point. After all, I am educated, and I'm not religious one bit. I've even had physics, chemistry, biology. Originally, I wanted to be a geologist, but the jobs out there were few. I still love rocks. And the wildernesses and wilderness lakes and mountains.. But I am a Christian, I know God is there. Just not religious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 "Originally, I wanted to be a geologist, but the jobs out there were few. I still love rocks. And the wildernesses and wilderness lakes and mountains."- Cal You were just ahead of your time. We can't get enough of them now and they are in high demand. There has been a huge run of retirements lately in the field and new grads are not interested enough in geology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's not what the poll is trying to do though. As for the countries trending atheist, I would think that most developed countries these days are becoming more atheist. I don't see how evolution is 'destroying faith' though? I mean, all that's happening is saying "let us put any scripture aside for a moment, and find out what we can observe about the world, trust our own observations and see what happens" So you've observed evolution firsthand? Why aren't new species of life always forming out of nothing if that's the true origin of life on earth? Seriously why would it happen by chance once and then never again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 So you've observed evolution firsthand? Why aren't new species of life always forming out of nothing if that's the true origin of life on earth? Seriously why would it happen by chance once and then never again? Anolis Lizards http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/losos/jblosos/pdfs/LososandThorpe.2004.IntrotoAdaptSpeciationsection.pdf http://www.livescience.com/18276-lizards-show-evolution.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Says nothing about scientists witnessing evolution. It proposes that many species of lizards came from a common ancestor and diversified via natural selection. Natural selection does not equal evolution. Evolution proposes that species develop entirely new features, while natural selection proposes that members of a species may capitalize on existing features which give them a competitive advantage over other members of the species who are weaker or less able to thrive in certain conditions. While the lizards in question may have been isolated from other groups of lizards to the point where a limited genetic pool resulted in DNA that is slightly incompatible with the DNA from other groups of lizards, they are still lizards and their DNA is probably 99.9% similar to the other groups of lizards. It's not like they have morphed into turtles or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 You know if something as complicated as humans evolved from single celled organisms it would take billions of years. When humans have such short life spans there should be tons of evidence of species that existed along the chain of evolution. Aside from a few skeletons of mutants, what have scientists really discovered to fill in the missing links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 So you've observed evolution firsthand? Why aren't new species of life always forming out of nothing if that's the true origin of life on earth? Seriously why would it happen by chance once and then never again? Humans have not been around long in the grand scheme of things. So I imagine that any scientist alive today will not see evolution first hand. It takes millions of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 You know if something as complicated as humans evolved from single celled organisms it would take billions of years. When humans have such short life spans there should be tons of evidence of species that existed along the chain of evolution. Aside from a few skeletons of mutants, what have scientists really discovered to fill in the missing links? You can Google "transitional fossils" just like anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 And you'll read about Lucy, which doesn't prove anything anyway. Like I said the creature could have been a mutant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 And you'll read about Lucy, which doesn't prove anything anyway. Like I said the creature could have been a mutant. I guess you didn't Google "transitional fossils". I recommend you do. Spend a few minutes reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 We can observe evolution first hand only in organisms small enough to go through the necessary number of generations that it takes in a short enough time. For example, the things that cause MRSA have evolved a defence to various antibiotics. It went from being just SA to methicillin resistant SA. It's not true that we can't directly observe evolution in a lab, just that we can't in big species that people care about because lifecycles are too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Just in the last hundred years or so mankind has evolved to be a larger heartier species so clearly evolution is real. What the question is is did we actually evolve from lesser organisms or only from primitive man? I don't believe you could artificially evolve a primate from a reptile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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