Tour2ma Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Really good read from Tom Reed that reflects the corner many if us think we are turning. Good use of Desir and our Secondary as leading example and Cam and our O-line as follow through. On Pierre Desir and the Cleveland Browns' rare luxury of time and depth: Tom Reed http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/06/on_pierre_desir_and_the_clevel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Good article, but I LOL when I saw "The older guys like Whit and Haden are pushing us because they want to be the best," ...Haden, OLDER? haha. I just can't picture 26 years old as "older", but then Haden IS an experienced, successful vet. Good stuff taking place along the lake. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Xmas is coming in August this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Good read. Work on LB corps next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 "The Browns won't win consistently until they find a dependable quarterback. That's reality in the NFL today. But defending the pass, as the Browns did well with regularity last season, keeps you in a lot of games." ******************************************************************************************************************************************************** It's going to be an interesting season. If McCown does start how well does he perform surrounded by some great talent particularly on the O line? McCown is not the long term answer but he might be the short term one. It is going to be interesting to see how Manziel does this year. On defense O'Neil has emphatically stated they will stop the run this season. They have brought in some people like Shelton who can do it up front. If defending the pass keeps you in a lot of games then defending the pass and rush will keep us in more. It may be that our offense will not have to light up the scoreboard to win games. Can't wait for the season to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 "The Browns won't win consistently until they find a dependable quarterback. That's reality in the NFL today. But defending the pass, as the Browns did well with regularity last season, keeps you in a lot of games." ******************************************************************************************************************************************************** It's going to be an interesting season. If McCown does start how well does he perform surrounded by some great talent particularly on the O line? McCown is not the long term answer but he might be the short term one. It is going to be interesting to see how Manziel does this year. On defense O'Neil has emphatically stated they will stop the run this season. They have brought in some people like Shelton who can do it up front. If defending the pass keeps you in a lot of games then defending the pass and rush will keep us in more. It may be that our offense will not have to light up the scoreboard to win games. Can't wait for the season to start. If we can keep opponents under 20 points (on average) then we have a great chance to win plenty of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 If we can keep opponents under 20 points (on average) then we have a great chance to win plenty of games. 8 teams did that last year... our D was ranked 9th in scoring (21.1 PPG)... I'd say, if we can be a top 3 D and keep them under 18, then we're talking (Seattle was best at 15.9 PPG)... Our offense averaged 18.7 PPG last year (ranked 27th), so in order to have a positive point differntial we would need to be: 2 points better on offense (20.7 PPG would've ranked us 20th in 2014) and 1 point better on defense (20.1 PPG would've kept us ranked 9th); or 1 point better on offense (19.7 PPG would've ranked 24th) and 2 points better on defense (19.1 PPG would've ranked 7th) 16 teams had positive point differentials last year... the top 7 all made the playoffs and 11 of 12 playoff teams were in that group (Carolina shouldn't even count)... To be in that top 7, we would need to outscore opponents 5.5 PPG (FYI New England won by 9.7 PPG on average), which means we would need to be: 7 points better on offense (25.7; ranked 8th) and 1 point better on D 6 points better on offense (24.7; ranked 10th) and 2 points better on D 5 points better on offense (23.7; ranked 14th) and 3 points better on D (18.1 PPG; ranked 3rd) 4 points better on offense (22.7; ranked 16th) and 4 points better on D (17.1 PPG; ranked 2nd) 3 points better on offense (21.7; ranked 18th) and 5 points better on D (16.1 PPG; ranked 2nd) or 2 points better on offense and 6 points better on D (15.1 PPG; ranked 1st) One way or another, we need to start scoring points on offense. Do any of those options seem realistic? Disclaimer: I waste too much time in the offseason trying to find something interesting to post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 One way or another, we need to start scoring points on offense. Do any of those options seem realistic? Disclaimer: I waste too much time in the offseason trying to find something interesting to post Yeah...they seem realistic to me.....(and, actually, seem likely) Youd think it all works together...... a better Defense will add offensive opportunities for your team, so without even improving the O, you should have more scoring Opps...... And, IF we've improved the O.....then we're scoring even more..... Last year, we scored over 21ppg through week 13......meaning those last 3 miserable games brought our scoring down huge.....so Im hoping(expecting) we are much better than that with an improved D, repaired O-line and enhanced running game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 8 teams did that last year... our D was ranked 9th in scoring (21.1 PPG)... I'd say, if we can be a top 3 D and keep them under 18, then we're talking (Seattle was best at 15.9 PPG)... Our offense averaged 18.7 PPG last year (ranked 27th), so in order to have a positive point differntial we would need to be: 2 points better on offense (20.7 PPG would've ranked us 20th in 2014) and 1 point better on defense (20.1 PPG would've kept us ranked 9th); or 1 point better on offense (19.7 PPG would've ranked 24th) and 2 points better on defense (19.1 PPG would've ranked 7th) 16 teams had positive point differentials last year... the top 7 all made the playoffs and 11 of 12 playoff teams were in that group (Carolina shouldn't even count)... To be in that top 7, we would need to outscore opponents 5.5 PPG (FYI New England won by 9.7 PPG on average), which means we would need to be: 7 points better on offense (25.7; ranked 8th) and 1 point better on D 6 points better on offense (24.7; ranked 10th) and 2 points better on D 5 points better on offense (23.7; ranked 14th) and 3 points better on D (18.1 PPG; ranked 3rd) 4 points better on offense (22.7; ranked 16th) and 4 points better on D (17.1 PPG; ranked 2nd) 3 points better on offense (21.7; ranked 18th) and 5 points better on D (16.1 PPG; ranked 2nd) or 2 points better on offense and 6 points better on D (15.1 PPG; ranked 1st) One way or another, we need to start scoring points on offense. Do any of those options seem realistic? Disclaimer: I waste too much time in the offseason trying to find something interesting to post Whatever few points we need....more on offense, fewer on defense, I expect this team to be able to accomplish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Jordon Rules, NO. LBJ Rules--Savior comes home puts on the 23 Jersey, Now it's all about getting 23 points on the board and a good Defense should create 2 more FG's or 1 more TD. 18.7 PPG goes to 23-25 and love this D only giving up 18.50. Go D !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Our offense averaged 18.7 PPG last year (ranked 27th)... To be in that top 7, we would need to outscore opponents 5.5 PPG (FYI New England won by 9.7 PPG on average), which means we would need to be: 7 points better on offense (25.7; ranked 8th) and 1 point better on D 6 points better on offense (24.7; ranked 10th) and 2 points better on D 5 points better on offense (23.7; ranked 14th) and 3 points better on D (18.1 PPG; ranked 3rd) 4 points better on offense (22.7; ranked 16th) and 4 points better on D (17.1 PPG; ranked 2nd) 3 points better on offense (21.7; ranked 18th) and 5 points better on D (16.1 PPG; ranked 2nd) or 2 points better on offense and 6 points better on D (15.1 PPG; ranked 1st) One way or another, we need to start scoring points on offense. Do any of those options seem realistic? Disclaimer: I waste too much time in the offseason trying to find something interesting to post Well.... somebody needs to dig deep as we are now in the "dead zone"... Call me delusional, but I look at our early consistency from last year and see that even with the JAX debacle we averaged close to 22 ppg. Look at only the Mack games and it was closer to 27. I fully expect us to be in that range in 2015. Split the difference and say 24.5... That pegs your D improvement at 2 ppg. Seems very doable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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