OldBrownsFan Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Right, but capitalism basically shits on the poor people, and it's up to the pope to stick up for the poor people, that's kind of his job. I get that Americans have this grand vision of the great American dream where anybody can work hard and make it to the top - but this tends to overlook the fact that 'the top' is only a small percentage, so by definition most people get shit on by those living the dream. If the alternative is Venezuala or Cuba or any other failed socialist country I am taking the American dream. This country besides having the small percentage at the top has also produced a vibrant middle class. When you let people prosper we all prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 You gotta love the rabid separation of church and state crowd who drop to their knees and start speaking Latin as soon as the Pope spouts a little left wing litany. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Right, but capitalism basically shits on the poor people, and it's up to the pope to stick up for the poor people, that's kind of his job. I get that Americans have this grand vision of the great American dream where anybody can work hard and make it to the top - but this tends to overlook the fact that 'the top' is only a small percentage, so by definition most people get shit on by those living the dream. Your more fucked up than usual today. Your first distortion is capitalism does not "basically" shit on poor people. Your second is that the American Dream doesn't mean "making it to the top". Yes, if you work hard you can succeed. You have the right to Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness..but the American dream, what makes you happy, may be different to another. Consider the so called 'poor' in America. Compare them to the poor in socialist and third world nations... they're middle class. It was Churchill that said with capitalism you will have those that are miserable, but with socialism everyone is miserable. If America shits on the poor, why is there a waiting list miles long for immigrants waiting to come here? If America shits on the poor, why do we have such a huge illegal immigration problem? They way you liberal morons sound, of how America hates the poor, you'd think no poor person would want to come near here. God I wished illegals listened to liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Right, but capitalism basically shits on the poor people. Chris ********************************************* Do we need to post all the rags to riches stories of people that worked hard to avoid the cycle of poverty? What the hell is wrong with you? All the london fog seeped into your warped psyche? Our country is the top large country on earth. Our benefits to the poor attract illegals by the millions. Smokie-smokie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 All social and economic theory when applied to real life fail on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 You gotta love the rabid separation of church and state crowd who drop to their knees and start speaking Latin as soon as the Pope spouts a little left wing litany. WSS Who does that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 Woody, you have a job now. Build yourself a house and go hide in it. http://www.allfreecrafts.com/nature/birds/woodpecker-house/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 now you tell me when an average joe in america would need any of those weapons? miltary and law enforce meant yes. people like you and me and anyone else in this country…………..no. why should the military and law enforcement have better weaponry, other than having a deeper checkbook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 To the OP - The pope is being anti - biblical and should be shunned as a heretic Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 The way I read the bible is that God is not against His people owning material possessions but is against those possessions owning His people. That is would you part with them if asked? Is there anything you feel you have to have that takes the place of God being first? God does not change. If He wanted to prosper the Jewish people in the Old Covenant He still wants to prosper believers under a new and better covenant. John 3:2 (new covenant) "I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers". Jesus was not poor. He distinguished Himself from the poor when He said the poor you will have always. He wore good clothes as the Roman soldiers would not cast lots for His robe if it was a cheap rag. I believe God does bless us with material things but we have to have the attitude He owns it all and they don't become an idol which we cannot give up. That stuff is word-of-faith, charismatic, TBN, bull crap. I don't want to come off as crass, but this is utter BS. Your interpretation of those scriptures and events are horrible hermeneutic stretches of the imagination and is heralded by Christians who put more faith in this world than in the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Right, but capitalism basically shits on the poor people, and it's up to the pope to stick up for the poor people, that's kind of his job. I get that Americans have this grand vision of the great American dream where anybody can work hard and make it to the top - but this tends to overlook the fact that 'the top' is only a small percentage, so by definition most people get shit on by those living the dream. This is BS too. There are certain social rules, that as of right now remain intact. They are: Go to college get a degree in something that you love and can succeed in. Get a job Work hard Have a good attitude Do good work Continue to learn and progress and learn new skills Get promotions Get paid more money Own a home, have a family. Save for retirement. Retire Die, but leave something for your family, like a legacy of working hard and providing for them so that they do the same. What's so wrong with that. And you might not necessarily need college, but work ethic, great attitude and the willingness to learn can go a long way. The problem is that people are fucking lazy today. They don't want to work, or feel that they don't need to work. They also "MAKE POOR LIFE CHOICES". Drugs, criminal offenses, being lazy, milking welfare, poor financial choices and living beyond one's means are things that can detour one being successful. My wife and I came from poor backgrounds. I was raised by my great-grandmother and had very little growing up but never went without. My wife was raised by her mother and her grand-mother most of her life. We could have let all sorts of excuses come in to work miniscule jobs, have 6 kids with no finances to take care of them and make piss poor choices. But we didn't. We did make some mistakes, but we paid for them, learned and moved on. Today we have great jobs, make good money. Were not "rich", but some people wouldn't mind our income. But we have worked hard for were we are at and also very blessed for where we are at. The american dream isn't necessarily all about being the top 1%. But it's very possible to do well in this country if you want to achieve it. Blaming everyone but yourself for not getting there is a mindset that is permeating our country and its sickening and spreading like a disease. I do well financially because my boss is the rich guy, keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 It's that liberals hate being held accountable for their own sloth, failures, and discipline. They want hc, wages, anything they can get, for free. They want abortions, expensive birth control, and more and more acceptance of perverted, irresponsible behavior they love to exhibit. And on a gov level, they want control over everything they can get away with controlling, to fee, tax, fine everything they can control. And if they don't engage in something, or they just don't like it... they want to ban it. and pandering to the dredges of society - illegals, gays, transwhatever sexuals, the sheep humpers, you name it, they'll condone it ... is their way of accruing votes and poll support for their chosen perverted fetishes. I'm so tired of the rain - have work on the farm to do. crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 ********************************************* Do we need to post all the rags to riches stories of people that worked hard to avoid the cycle of poverty? THis board wouldn't have enough bandwidth to post the stories of the 10's and 10's of millions of people who worked to the bone their whole lives, doing real things like providing us food and whatnot instead of jumping real high and hitting real good.....who never broke the water line. I can start a whole nother thread about why that experience is hard wired into our system because of the way we create money but it's not even worth it anymore. Those rags to riches stories are almost all pure lottery winners, not exemplary of any "extra" work ethic they had. Our system is designed to keep those born low to stay low, it's "necessity". We are completely socially engineered and most of you will go through your entire lives not realizing how much of it wasn't your own. Even better off to do people are still owned. We are not the free market you all think we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted July 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 That stuff is word-of-faith, charismatic, TBN, bull crap. I don't want to come off as crass, but this is utter BS. Your interpretation of those scriptures and events are horrible hermeneutic stretches of the imagination and is heralded by Christians who put more faith in this world than in the next. There is nothing wrong with owning material possessions it is only wrong when the possessions own you. God owns it all anyway. Jesus was not poor, if you believe He was I encourage you to read the bible more. All His needs were met and God will meet our needs as well when we put our trust and faith in Him. The following are definitions of defining the poor and they do not fit Jesus such as being : destitute, indigent, lacking, needy, pitiful, feeble, impoverished. When John say he wishes believers to prosper and be in health what part of that interpretation am I missing? I do not watch TBN or word of faith ministries. Don't put me in the same category with those who take prosperity to a ridiculous extreme. When I speak of prospering I mean God meeting all of our needs and in no way do I support those who live the lifestyle of the rich and famous and live an extravagant lifestyle off the gospel. It is all about balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 THis board wouldn't have enough bandwidth to post the stories of the 10's and 10's of millions of people who worked to the bone their whole lives, doing real things like providing us food and whatnot instead of jumping real high and hitting real good.....who never broke the water line. I can start a whole nother thread about why that experience is hard wired into our system because of the way we create money but it's not even worth it anymore. Those rags to riches stories are almost all pure lottery winners, not exemplary of any "extra" work ethic they had. Our system is designed to keep those born low to stay low, it's "necessity". We are completely socially engineered and most of you will go through your entire lives not realizing how much of it wasn't your own. Even better off to do people are still owned. We are not the free market you all think we are. You tell 'em Michael. And no, I'm not implying that you're rich like he is, just that you're fat and full of shit like he is with that little rant. Keep hanging on Obamas nutsack with the "you didn't build that" bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Cleve must be a planted official Obamao whiner groupie. Maybe he gets a nickle per whine. That should add up to a dinner at a fine restaurant.... once a week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Legal immigrants come here with nothing and excel because of capitalism. I bet if you were to tell them some horse shit about how people just can't make it here that they would laugh in your face. My aunt moved here from Poland with nothing during the middle of the cold war. She didn't have a strong grasp on English. Within five years of being here, she owned two convenience stores. She now owns a couple of gas stations and restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted July 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Most new businesses end up failing. I always hate to see a sign on a door where a new store is going out of business because I think about someone's dream going out the window and everything they lost to try and make the business succeed. People put their life's savings up for risk and take out loans and work lots of hours to start a new business and if they fail they don't get treated like the banks or GM and get a government bail out. They take a risk sometimes of losing everything. If a person does beat the odds and becomes successful then they hear the Obama's of the world about "they didn't build that". This from someone who never ran a lemon aid stand. You don't punish these people for being successful, you encourage them. They are the real job creators in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Yo, Pope - Lk. 6.3738, 4142 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Let me ask you all a question... Let's consider the context of the constitution and when it was written. When it was written, what type of guns were available... single shot muzzles and pistols? Right? Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not scholar when it comes to guns. Do you think, that if our founding fathers could see how guns would evolve into the type of weapon they are today, would the 2nd amendment be re-written differently? I tend to think it would. Now, I'm not against gun ownership and responsible gun ownership. However, if the founding fathers knew that guns could turn into fully automatic weapons that could be used to kill dozens of people at a time, I think their intelligence would have chosen to limit the type of gun that the general population could bare? And the constitution allows for these types of changes. I don't think guns should be taken away from the public, but certain guns yes. Does any citizen need a fully automatic weapon machine gun/AR? I don't think so. Can someone own a semi-auto rifle, pistol, I think so, because it's been done so, relatively responsibly over several centuries now. However, we should do what we can, to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and much as we can. Will they still be stolen, absolutely? Will they be used to kill? Unfortunately yes, but typically, not by your law abiding citizen who is looking for something to protect themselves with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 The spirit of the 2nd Amendment was to have an armed citizenry that would be a defense against tyranny by a rogue government. So you could make the case that they would want the citizens to have whatever the military has to act as a safeguard against a potentially tyrannical government. That was the nature of it. They didn't put "oh and only keep technology from our time in mind". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 The spirit of the 2nd Amendment was to have an armed citizenry that would be a defense against tyranny by a rogue government. So you could make the case that they would want the citizens to have whatever the military has to act as a safeguard against a potentially tyrannical government. That was the nature of it. They didn't put "oh and only keep technology from our time in mind". In principle I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment there. However we are not the same people anymore. In no way shape or form is the avg American responsible enough for military weaponry. Military grade weaponry in the hands of people with such inadequate coping skills for stress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 profoundly inadequate coping skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 In principle I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment there. However we are not the same people anymore. In no way shape or form is the avg American responsible enough for military weaponry. Military grade weaponry in the hands of people with such inadequate coping skills for stress? Maybe having that kind of responsibility would have weeded out the gene pool and removed all of these unstable pussies a long time ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Legal immigrants come here with nothing and excel because of capitalism. I bet if you were to tell them some horse shit about how people just can't make it here that they would laugh in your face. My aunt moved here from Poland with nothing during the middle of the cold war. She didn't have a strong grasp on English. Within five years of being here, she owned two convenience stores. She now owns a couple of gas stations and restaurants. That's not fair. I should be able to own a gas station and restaurant too. Where are my equal rights? The government should give me one of her restaurants. I think that would be fair. She's having too much success and her success needs to be shared. Let her know I will be taking over on Monday.. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Maybe having that kind of responsibility would have weeded out the gene pool and removed all of these unstable pussies a long time ago? But how many good people would go down in the process? A friend of mine always joked that the solution the middle east is to give all of them suitcase nukes and watch the ensuing festivities on satellite cam. He has a point. The place would blow the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 In principle I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment there. However we are not the same people anymore. In no way shape or form is the avg American responsible enough for military weaponry. Military grade weaponry in the hands of people with such inadequate coping skills for stress? Perhaps proper training and licensing they could be used, and those ex-military would have the right to carry military grade weapons. But I do agree, that the majority of people, can't handle a military grade weapon. THere is some legitimacy to my question. The constitution was made to evolve, if needed, and evolve appropriately, by the people. Unfortunately, we now have a Supreme Court and a federal government that is starting to turn into the very government people escaped from.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 But how many good people would go down in the process? A friend of mine always joked that the solution the middle east is to give all of them suitcase nukes and watch the ensuing festivities on satellite cam. He has a point. The place would blow the fuck up. "You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette."-Darwin He may or may not have said that haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsKidd Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 But how many good people would go down in the process? A friend of mine always joked that the solution the middle east is to give all of them suitcase nukes and watch the ensuing festivities on satellite cam. He has a point. The place would blow the fuck up. Part of me is not so sure on that and part of me thinks it's absolutely correct. Reason why I don't think it would happen is that the whole middle east conflict is over land stemming from Ishmael and Isaac. You nuke the land, and its basically a wasteland. The land that the palestinians and jews hold so dear would be nothing but nuclear fall out. But, their zealousness and hate of each other could blind them to fact that it's over land and they still blow each other and the land to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 That sir, is the point I've been making on this board for years. The intent of that provision was to make sure that the people had weaponry powerful enough to ward off any attempts to take over our new Republic. That may have come from the British, the French, the Indians armed by foreign powers or just about anyone. That means they hoped that Farmer Brown could possibly have a cannon in his barn should it be necessary and muzzleloaders and muskets equal to what the British had. We have of course watered down that amendment and the citizens wouldn't stand a chance against the ordinance used by the powers that be. Good or bad I guess, is the question. Does anyone really believe that we might need to take up arms against any group looking to take over? Or do we want the guy next door to have a stockpile of small nuclear weapons? Changing times. On the other hand do we really want to be completely disarmed as many would love to see? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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