calfoxwc Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Big, serious trouble from Russia. What you didn't know when Russia annexed Crimea.... http://www.newsweek.com/putin-persecution-crimean-tatars-chapter-verse-352587 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I fully expected them to act that way. Putin is scum. However, we aren't the world's babysitter so someone else can take care of it if they feel inclined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I agree to a point. But when you see the world falling apart, an enemy country growing so strong and aggressively evil, it is like a avalanche across the globe, and you have to fight to set the world back into peace.... like WWII... and WWI..... it is far nobler and wiser to stop it in the earlier stages, and so many thousands and millions of lives would have been saved over the last hundred years. You don't ignore a pinpoint of skin cancer on a patient, to avoid going to all the trouble, and wait until it is out of control. That's just an analogy of how I look at it. Is it a mosquito bite...or a skin cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 The problem is that other countries sit on their hands and wait for us to step in now. They want us to put U.S. soldiers on the line and to fund interventions while sitting back. If they are deeply concerned, then they need to make an effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 years. You don't ignore a pinpoint of skin cancer on a patient, to avoid going to all the trouble, and wait until it is out of control. That's just an analogy of how I look at it. Is it a mosquito bite...or a skin cancer? and this is the manuscript for a world constantly at war. We've had thousands of years to figure out that this doesn't work, some of us will obviously never get it. Putin isn't acting in accordance with the west's wishes....TO WAR I SAY!! Instead why don't you try to figure out why he's acting this way. It isn't all "he's just an asshole". No, there's been some triggers to him becoming perhaps more of an asshole than he already was. You can't even properly fight him, if that does indeed become the case, without understanding him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 it's my suspicion that at least part of the euro wants to eventually ally with Russia and possibly a Russo/China trade alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Problem is prior to WW2 we were isolationists. No more war, its Europes problem, yada yada. Until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and woke us up. We have no choice but to challenge aggression. Thats our job, like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I would like to stay out of war as much as anyone else but we should have eliminated ISIS early on before that cancer had a chance to grow and take over a large part of Syria and Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 The problem is that other countries sit on their hands and wait for us to step in now. They want us to put U.S. soldiers on the line and to fund interventions while sitting back. If they are deeply concerned, then they need to make an effort. Logic ********************************************* And that is absolutely true. We have to differentiate between having to go into WWII, albeit way, way late, when the job was far, far larger on a global scale, to HELP Europe, HELP the French/Norwegian/Polish, etc etc etc underground groups, as well as friendly govs. To go in and fight when the country won't fight for itself, is a tragic undertaking. the Baltic States and the Ukraine, two quick examples, are not the latter. Fighting isis ...is. Unless we need to HELP Israel against a giant onslaught to avoid nukes being forced into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Problem is prior to WW2 we were isolationists. No more war, its Europes problem, yada yada. Until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and woke us up. We have no choice but to challenge aggression. Thats our job, like it or not. So the U.S skipped ww1 then eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Lenin invaded Western Europe? Bombed the US? Fear mongering hitting an all time high in the forum, Ronnie takes us to defcon 2. "Drilling for fear makes the job simple, born on third thinks he got a triple" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 still would love to hear how we were such "isolationists" prior to ww2 We had fleets patrolling the mediterranean before ww1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 still would love to hear how we were such "isolationists" prior to ww2 We had fleets patrolling the mediterranean before ww1. Poor Cleve's looking for attention. There was a huge isolationist movement post WWI regardless of whether or not we had patrolling fleets. We did not become involved conflicts, whether they be political or wars. Amid the intense debates on whether or not to enter the war, we remained neutral until the Japs did their thing. Prior to entering WWII the liberals of the day thought that offering Hitler roses and a box of chocolates would make him have a change of heart and withdraw from occupied Poland. Hope that cleared things up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Poor Cleve's looking for attention. There was a huge isolationist movement post WWI regardless of whether or not we had patrolling fleets. We did not become involved conflicts, whether they be political or wars. Amid the intense debates on whether or not to enter the war, we remained neutral until the Japs did their thing. Prior to entering WWII the liberals of the day thought that offering Hitler roses and a box of chocolates would make him have a change of heart and withdraw from occupied Poland. Hope that cleared things up for you. Invasion has sure set Iraq and Afghanistan straight, oh wait, that's right Bush was on the right path and Obama came in and messed it all up. Daddy solved the Kuwait issue in 6 months but Jr. was still going strong 6 years in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 So, bacon, you think we should have let the nazis go and take over the world? Exterminate everybody on the planet that doesn't jive with their superiority? Miss the point by a mile? The principle is, to stop isis when they were rolling up that major highway in a giant group. Not waiting until they got to populated areas and infiltrated cities. Now it's a cluserfuck, because this dirtbag, racist, marxist, cowardly sumbeech of a nonleader of our country, chose to not make a decision that doesn't make for a big win for the left. All the blood isis has spilled is on obama's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Problem is prior to WW2 we were isolationists. No more war, its Europes problem, yada yada. Until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and woke us up. We have no choice but to challenge aggression. Thats our job, like it or not. Actually we had taken sides against Japan by participating in the blockade. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Also since communism is one of the stupidest forms of government and the most unproductive the Soviet Union is forced to keep a stranglehold on their satellites with little or no profit coming in so it cost too much to support them. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Poor Cleve's looking for attention. There was a huge isolationist movement post WWI regardless of whether or not we had patrolling fleets. We did not become involved conflicts, whether they be political or wars. Amid the intense debates on whether or not to enter the war, we remained neutral until the Japs did their thing. Prior to entering WWII the liberals of the day thought that offering Hitler roses and a box of chocolates would make him have a change of heart and withdraw from occupied Poland. Hope that cleared things up for you. Having people in the country arguing for isolationism doesn't make a country isolationist as a whole you stupid dolt. You're even dumber than i knew if you think just because we weren't in any war in the interim between 1 and 2 that we were somehow staunch isolationists. And with that last sentence you show your profoundly inadequate understanding for what prompted ww2 in the first place. That die got cast when Adolf was still painting houses you stupid little sock puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 . All the blood isis has spilled is on obama's hands. In your medicated world that might sound like the right idea but it isn't. Here in the real world Isis is responsible for all the blood Isis has spilled. You think hitting one convoy moving up the highway would have stopped all this? You show your keen lack of understanding for who and what Isis is and how they got started. Obama bad, somehow Obama bad. We could have nuked that convoy and Isis would still be somewhere cutting people's heads off....with maybe different leadership. How many of these guys do we hear get taken out from all these different terrorist groups...these so called "masterminds"....and nothing changes. In your simple world cutting off the head kills the whole beast, you simply aren't intelligent enough for this kind of work Cal..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 As usual, you miss the point. Isis would not have grown and murdered all those innocent men, women and children because most of them would be blasted. They were right out there in the open. All you have to cover for your ignorance, is your bickering at people, and railing where you have no idea what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 As usual, you miss the point. Isis would not have grown and murdered all those innocent men, women and children because most of them would be blasted. They were right out there in the open. All you have to cover for your ignorance, is your bickering at people, and railing where you have no idea what you are talking about. no i know exactly what i'm talking about....you have this idea that those guys motoring down the highway were Isis core or something. Like if only we had bombed them well none of this would have happened. I don't understand how you dont realize that these terrorist groups are so elastic that even killing Bin Laden didn't cripple Al quida. Bombing some Isis grunts on a highway, grunt that would have been replaced in a matter of weeks.....means approximately shit. Your thesis that somehow had we just gotten this first group of ngr fgts is the definition of ignorance. But lets say for shits and giggles that on that day, down that highway...were the el capitans of the whole thing....blast them and it's who's up next. The next group can still take the name Isis or they come up with some other rubbish name...it simply doesn't matter. These guys are too smart to congregate all the leaders in one area anyway. You may get one of them but he's quickly replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 no i know exactly what i'm talking about.... "Liberals know a lot that isn't so." Ronnie could come up with a good line now and then. He was referring to people like you Cleve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Cleve - you are being an idiot. You blather about arguing that we shouldn't have bothered to hit the daesh when they were on ONE road, in a giant mass of trucks, etc, heading toward Bagdad... (it ....was.....on......the......news) then you justify your argument by talking about how another leader will just take the other leader's place. Tiptoe through the tulips much? You change the subjects so you can have some kind of justified rant. it doesn't work. Once the daesh moved EN MASSE, Their army could have been decimated into a far smaller force. But Obamao wouldn't make a decision. Now, they have branched out into civilian areas, committing genocide, and the Iraqi army probably saw no air support as the daesh moved, ... and cowardly ran. as to your other ignorant point - you don't kill the leader of the daesh, because someone else just steps up? Really. Why not kill that leader, given the chance, with a missle every time? That denies the daesh of looking invincible to even the daesh. Come on, Quixote Cleve - you are fighting windmills with an imaginary sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Putin and Lennon had a connection? Was Putin the mystery drummer for the Beatles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Putin and Lennon had a connection? Was Putin the mystery drummer for the Beatles? That was Petein. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 The .. LenIN. Not Lennon. Dammit....lol. Anyways, they both had persecuted the same group of people. Wierd, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 It's gonna be interesting to one day learn what Snowden divulged to the rooskies to make them go off like they have. I know Putin was always reluctant to let the old USSR die...but it wasn't till Snowden that this shit really got out of hand. I think the stuff like oh by the way all your motherboards, hard drives etc, etc....have little back doors in them that have let the western spy agencies basically sit in with you while you take a shit...I think that's the shit that basically gave Putin the excuse he needed to do what he probably always wanted to but couldn't get it to fly in the new post modern Russian govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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