gftChris Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This has been all over the news here. Apparently a dentist from somewhere over there paid $55k to hunt and kill a lion. The lion he killed was in fact the alpha male, 'mascot' of the conservation project and was not 'earmarked' for hunting as some lions apparently are. It seems that big game 'trophy' hunting is part of the conservation strategy here; extort huge sums of money from foreigners, then reinvest that in protecting the animals and expanding the reserve, that kind of thing. Now the guy has closed his practise and gone in to hiding because of the backlash he's facing. He's blaming it on local guides giving him the wrong lion to hunt. How do you feel about hunting in general, trophy hunting like this, and including hunting as part of the conservation program? Personally I have no problem hunting non-endangered species - ducks, moose or whatever - but when it comes to those we're trying to protect I'm not so sure. Then again, it seems to be a recognised method of conservation and proven effective, so I'm equally not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I do not hunt but I have friends who do. I do eat meat and wear leather. But anyone who kills for fun is a sick bastard. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I can see hunting for sport - as long as you intend to eat the thing you kill, that is. Hunting for trophies I'm less OK with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't want to hijack the thread, & I won't let it happen, but its like torturing a suspect to save lives versus torturing somebody because you get off on it... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't want to hijack the thread, & I won't let it happen, but its like torturing a suspect to save lives versus torturing somebody because you get off on it... WSS Well, if both parties enjoy it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I do not hunt but I have friends who do. I do eat meat and wear leather. But anyone who kills for fun is a sick bastard. WSS That's odd that you would choose sick bastards for friends! Hunting even with the intention to eat the meat is still fun for the hunter. The guides Palmer the hunter hired were jailed and released on bond. The killing of this lion was pathetic. Cecil was lured out of his reserve and killed. That's not hunting. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/africa/zimbabwe-lion-killed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 That's odd that you would choose sick bastards for friends! Hunting even with the intention to eat the meat is still fun for the hunter. The guides Palmer the hunter hired were jailed and released on bond. The killing of this lion was pathetic. Cecil was lured out of his reserve and killed. That's not hunting. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/africa/zimbabwe-lion-killed/ Well I suppose the hunters I know enjoy the sport but each of them, to my knowledge, eats whatever he shoots or catches. I don't know of anyone who would brag of killing a 12 point buck cutting off the head and leaving the carcass to rot, do you?(Nor do I think any of them eat deer meat for survival, but...) Anyway, I'm assuming you hunt or you wouldn't have gotten defensive so there you go. As far as having sick bastards for friends many of them vote Democrat on a regular basis so there's that... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I hunt. Rarely for food...but varmints.... I hunt groundhogs because they are tearing up places around our farm. And I shoot skunks - they are overpopulated. And coyotes - I'll shoot them because they are threat in several ways. But squirel, young groundhog, deer and pheasant (except they are most gone from Ohio), and turkey (I've seen tracks in the mud one time...)... are good food. You could go fishing in Canada, your little boat motor won't run, and the breeze could blow you all the way across a large, wild lake. You're in trouble. Maybe you have your family with you, or friends... or by yourself... I always wondered about that - since I love the outdoors so much. What would I do? Hopefully, I'd have a .22 rifle, fish for food, hunt for food, eat in the wild, and know I could build a fire. I've always been intrigued with survival stuff. Hunting for food is cool. The trophy hunting, like shooting an owl or a hawk or eagle, is illegal because it's wrong. This was repulsive. I guess the idiot dentist is in hiding now. Luring that lion out of the reserve... maybe the dentist didn't know. But the lurers did, and they should see hard time. For a long time. No such thing as "hunt and release"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I figure you can take your camera along and if you get close enough to a wild animal to snap his picture then you're close enough to have killed him with your $3,000 rifle and laser scope. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Well I suppose the hunters I know enjoy the sport but each of them, to my knowledge, eats whatever he shoots or catches. I don't know of anyone who would brag of killing a 12 point buck cutting off the head and leaving the carcass to rot, do you? (Nor do I think any of them eat deer meat for survival, but...) Anyway, I'm assuming you hunt or you wouldn't have gotten defensive so there you go. As far as having sick bastards for friends many of them vote Democrat on a regular basis so there's that... WSS Fuck no, I don't hunt. Don't even own a gun. Don't find pleasure in killing animals, but to each his own. I'm a musician, like you! (as a hobby) Not a musician/hunter like Ted Nugent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 While I have "zero" problem with the outrage that's following that dentist around, I agree with Rubio that it's strange the PP thing hasn't generated similar. Back to the dentist, yeah fuck that guy. Claiming he didn't know it was a protected Lion is complete horseshit cause of what he paid backdoor. And the whole thing where the cocksucker had to shoot him with a bow so that the poor thing lived for 3 fucking days before they found him again and ended it. I can't stand these people, I literally cannot. Some of you who will have grandchildren, they will not see animals in the wild. They're gonna have to subsist on Nature re runs, and then you'll have to explain why these animals don't exist in the wild anymore. It's pathetic. I understand hunting for sustenance, sport and trophy hunting I have zero tolerance for. This dentist is lucky i'm not Ceasar...cause I'd say good on you mate for that bow shot that's so impressive, but what's gonna impress me even more is when you kill another lion in a cage with your bare hands. And that's when I front snap kick him into a lion pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 While I have "zero" problem with the outrage that's following that dentist around, I agree with Rubio that it's strange the PP thing hasn't generated similar. Except that "strange" is not the proper word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't really care to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't really care to be honest Honestly? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Getting large sums of money from foreigners to hunt one animal, so you can reinvest it and potentially save dozens, seems like the only strategy they have though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 This was plain wrong. Just some pussy wanting a trophy head to hang up in his den. What a fucking man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Getting large sums of money from foreigners to hunt one animal, so you can reinvest it and potentially save dozens, seems like the only strategy they have though. Well I guess we could open up a reserve and let hunters come in and shoot death row inmates. I bet that would help offset the costs of incarceration! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Honestly? WSS Yep. Couldn't give a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Getting large sums of money from foreigners to hunt one animal, so you can reinvest it and potentially save dozens, seems like the only strategy they have though. Well, there's also the traditional type of animal tourism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why is a lion any more tragic or important than the scores of coyote/ cougars/ alligator/wild boar/bear hunted every day for sport? Lions aren't even endangered by most conservationists reckoning. So I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe if the animal were endangered and he wasn't issued a government permit to hunt lion I would give a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why is a lion any more tragic or important than the scores of coyote/ cougars/ alligator/wild boar/bear hunted every day for sport? Lions aren't even endangered by most conservationists reckoning. So I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe if the animal were endangered and he wasn't issued a government permit to hunt lion I would give a shit. Maybe because lions, like elephants are "majestic". Think of it as white privilege for that class of animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Disappointed to see the outrage over this lion's death and not so much with Planned Parenthood selling baby parts but human life has gotten real cheap these days. I don't understand why anyone would want to kill the big game animals in Africa but my understanding is it usually does more good than harm as these hunters pay large sums of money that goes back to wildlife conservation and the animals they kill are the ones to either thin out a herd or an older animal. Apparently not the case here and if the dentist knew about this illegal hunt he should be prosecuted to the max. Now Jimmy Kimmel weep no more for Cecil but there is still Planned Parenthood you can shed some tears over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Lions aren't even endangered by most conservationists reckoning. That may not be entirely true. I think Lions are just at the cusp now where in a few years they will be at the current rate of decline. So people are obviously trying to take measures before that happens. This isn't just about one Lion.....it's the point that these hunters think they can pay large sums of money for the privilege to hunt endangered or damn near extinct animals like that stupid little whore who shot the black rhino which imo was way worse than this. Relatively speaking there's literally a handful of them left. Same thing, stupid little bitch spent daddy's money to shoot one under the guise of "conservation". I hope she gets lost one day out in the bush and a bunch of orangutans find her and show her what happens to stupid little human bitches who wander off. Double vag double anal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Getting large sums of money from foreigners to hunt one animal, so you can reinvest it and potentially save dozens, seems like the only strategy they have though. I'm on the fence about that practice, but on certain reserves they don't earmark animals for that...and this was one of those reserves and one of the Lions they did not have penned for that. This dentist fgt knew that, knew the animal was popular and thought what a sweet trophy to hang on my wall and tell my other fgt hunting buddies about. He wanted to be able to tell people about this "special" kill he was able to procure. I don't care that his practice has ended, this dude still needs found and gay raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 So what makes them different from other animals? I guess in a way, not much. But of course I think that anyone that kills any animals dogs cats squirrels rabbits, Indian babies or whatever for the sheer fun of killing something is fucked up so that's that. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I do not hunt but I have friends who do. I do eat meat and wear leather. But anyone who kills for fun is a sick bastard. my feelings....exactly..... And, I will admit, I do let some friends hunt at my place.....though they do eat the meat, etc..... But just killing an animal for fun and/or paying 55k to kill something and get a pic with your "trophy"....that is for psychopaths.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's a hard old world, Steve. Shit we don't like is going to happen. In the grand scheme of things though this isn't but a drop in the hat. While the world is up in arms about Cecil the lion five critically endangered elephants were poached with no blood bounty paid by Tanzanians with nary a hand wrung over it https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/29/as-the-world-mourned-cecil-the-lion-five-of-kenyas-endangered-elephants-were-slain/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Oh I understand your position, and there are people that think I'm fucked up for eating hamburgers. If you want to take it an extra step who gives a fuck about endangered species? Hundreds of known species disappear every year. And when you get right down to it what difference does it make? Still... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's a hard old world, Steve. Shit we don't like is going to happen. In the grand scheme of things though this isn't but a drop in the hat. While the world is up in arms about Cecil the lion five critically endangered elephants were poached with no blood bounty paid by Tanzanians with nary a hand wrung over it https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/29/as-the-world-mourned-cecil-the-lion-five-of-kenyas-endangered-elephants-were-slain/ I think people are enraged in general. Yes I could quite literally rip a mans jaw off with my bare hands if I found him poaching an elephant or a rhino. I want people to die horribly over this. I'd pop the 7th seal if it meant that shit comes to an end. I'm getting really fucking sick of people. For a fucking trinket. A mother fucking trinket. But hey, nature is a resource for us to exploit to our whim an fancy right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why is a lion any more tragic or important than the scores of coyote/ cougars/ alligator/wild boar/bear *************************************************** Coyotes are a danger, and a nuisance in populated areas. So are cougars. And alligators, though, would also get way ,way overpopulated and are a serious danger to people and pets. and they eat alligator. Same thing with wild boar. And they eat wild boar. Groundhog holes get people and horses and pets injured, especially in winter. I don't know about hunting bear - don't think they eat bear.. but the lion was deliberately lured away from a protected area - an animal that knew protection and was not afraid of people shooting at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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