StinkHole Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 The driver of one of the vehicles with family inside follows the driver of a truck to his home. The driver of the truck comes out of his home with a gun and kills the other driver in front of his family. Both drivers were talking with 911 operators accusing each other of driving recklessly. The 911 operator said no no no to the driver that was killed not to follow the other driver to his home. Was this a case of stand your ground, or is the shooter guilty of murder? Warning: Some of the sounds you are about to hear may be unsuitable and uncomfortable for you. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/us/florida-road-rage-killing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Murder. Everyone should be charged with murder in these cases. I drive so much I adopted a sort of fuck it attitude. Fuck it, you wanna pass me? Pass me then. Nothing really gets me mad on the road anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 But because these crazy fucks have guns it necessitates me having one too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Clearly the other driver needed a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted August 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 After listening to the audio, the shooter in his mind believed without any reservations that he was in the right...describing his intentions to the 911 operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted August 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 But because these crazy fucks have guns it necessitates me having one too But according to one person interviewed, this Doyle guy was just a regular guy, not known to be violent...presumably not a crazy fuck either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 If this guy got mad enough to follow someone to their home, then he's looking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted August 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 If this guy got mad enough to follow someone to their home, then he's looking for trouble. He was the bigger idiot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 He was the bigger idiot IMO. I agree. Following someone is not going to end well, most times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted August 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I agree. Following someone is not going to end well, most times And what is to be gained by a confrontation anyway? The cops arrive and its one mans word against the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Guarantee these guys weren't just wagging fingers at each other on the road. After all the highway antics, You follow someone to their home? Expect that person to defend him/herself. Don't be a dumbass. This is easily self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's all bad. Like I said I let traffic roll off my shoulders. I do agree he should not have followed the guy home that is asking for trouble but I'm not sure guy #1 had to shoot him dead over it. Aim for the legs maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's all bad. Like I said I let traffic roll off my shoulders. I do agree he should not have followed the guy home that is asking for trouble but I'm not sure guy #1 had to shoot him dead over it. Aim for the legs maybe.I understand your conundrum. Nobody is saying the guy deserves to be shot dead for road rage. But as the shooter, you don't know the maniac-who-just-followed-you-home-because-you-didn't-see/signal's motives. If you have any self defense training (which you absolutely should if you're carrying) you aim center mass and squeeze until the threat is neutralized. Kneecap shots are for the movies and don't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Which goes back to the responsibility of being a gun owner/carrier. If you're the type of person that tends to escalate road rage incidents, simple arguments, and disagreements, maybe you should carry a pack of mentos instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Frankly I'd probably try to fire a warning shot first to be honest. But then I really don't want to be responsible for anyone's death unless they absolutely made me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Not trying to nitpick and be derisive but warning shots are not taught in self defense. That gives the "attacker" time to put a bead on you or possibly harm someone else etc. In a lot of places warning shots are against the law and will get you negligent discharge charges filed. Ideally, training would have taught the shooter to attempt to get into his house and verbally warn the "attacker" and if the attacker continued pursuit and you felt your life was still in imminent danger- center of mass, exhale, squeeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Frankly I'd probably try to fire a warning shot first to be honest. But then I really don't want to be responsible for anyone's death unless they absolutely made me. Like Legacy said, warning shots are something you see on TV or the movies. If you are willing to pull the trigger in real life, you aim for the torso, not the legs, or arms, or even the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I don't really give a rip what's taught in self defense. I think I may have stated before at some point that I am roughly the same size as joe thomas and have a blue belt in jit jitsu. Unless this guy is showing me his own gun i would most likely opt to settle it via non lethal methodology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Killing a guy in front of his wife and kid is a pretty sad state of affairs even if he was very much in the wrong. I'd rather take the negligent discharge charges than the murder two charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 No snark intended- but that kind of response is exactly why stories like this happen. The follower/attacker probably thought the same thing (joe Thomas/ jiujitsu). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I get it you guys very much have a shoot first ask questions later mentality and there's certainly times where that is warranted. I'm just not sure this was one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I'm lucky I suppose. Being my size apparently makes people second guess whether they really want to get into a physical altercation. I haven't been in one that I didn't look for since early in high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I get it you guys very much have a shoot first ask questions later mentality and there's certainly times where that is warranted. I'm just not sure this was one of them. Do we know the size of these guys? What if the guy that does the following is 6'4" 250lbs, and the guy that was being followed is 5'4" and 130 lbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I don't know. No one has that information I'm sure. I'm only speaking on my personal feelings and I can only view it through my own lens. When you imagine a situation you always put yourself in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I have not known many people who are naturally big and tall and blocky to be bullies or to look for fights. Insecure little jacked up napoleon complex men do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I get it you guys very much have a shoot first ask questions later mentality and there's certainly times where that is warranted. I'm just not sure this was one of them.Not sure you're comprehending.... Try to make it inside the house while *verbally* warning the "attacker". Only then if you are pursued and still feel your life is in imminent danger, open fire. Re-read where I said that previously. I'm not really tracking how that's "shoot first, ask questions later". Should we presume that you're a "punch first ask questions later" type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I have not known many people who are naturally big and tall and blocky to be bullies or to look for fights. Insecure little jacked up napoleon complex men do that.Yup. Always the punter or kicker on NFL teams doing time for assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 On Okinawa I had an instructor who was about 5'5 and would kick the living shit out of anyone I knew know matter what size, if he had too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 On Okinawa I had an instructor who was about 5'5 and would kick the living shit out of anyone I knew know matter what size, if he had too. 5'5" definitely qualifies for napoleon syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 5'5" definitely qualifies for napoleon syndrome So does a guy 6'6" have a green giant syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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