Clevfan4life Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Find me a reliable poll, across the board, that has MMGW in the top 1/3. Not a poll of Obama voters only. WSS can't paste it but I just googled democratic voters and polls on global warming, and it is as I said with them. It's easily in their top 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I was tryng to figure out when I put some ngr named stinkhole on ignore. Ah but now I see it's old stewie finally acknowledging his lot in life. That was a good job out of you, very apropos of you. I'm not unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 can't paste it but I just googled democratic voters and polls on global warming, and it is as I said with them. It's easily in their top 3 This one maybe http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/05/05/republicans-and-democrats-approach-2016-with-different-priorities-wsjnbc-poll/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Unfortunate that I have to repeat myself but I said not just Obama voters which would be Democrats. Global warming is not in the top 3 even in the poll that Chris posted its next to last. The one that the former Stuartt posted is more in line. And once more how Chris feels about the issue is meaningless to a conversation about Al Gore running for president of the United States. Mainly because Chris doesn't get to vote here. Yet. I hope that's clear? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The Clinton mafioso higgardly is going to be on trial. http://news.yahoo.com/us-305-clinton-emails-might-classified-data-193217062--politics.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Unfortunate that I have to repeat myself but I said not just Obama voters which would be Democrats. Global warming is not in the top 3 even in the poll that Chris posted its next to last. The one that the former Stuartt posted is more in line. And once more how Chris feels about the issue is meaningless to a conversation about Al Gore running for president of the United States. Mainly because Chris doesn't get to vote here. Yet. I hope that's clear? WSS Check again? Among democrats it's number three: Among republicans it's last. At a rough guess from the levels you have, for dems: 37% - Job creation 17% - Health care 15% - Climate change 12% - National security 09% - Deficit 04% - Immigration 02% - Religious & moral values For goppers: 27% - National security 24% - Deficit 21% - Job creation 12% - Religious & moral values 08% - Immigration 04% - Health care 01% - Climate change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 One more time, maybe three is the charm. I specified among all voters. All US voters. Not only Democrats, not socialist not Europeans, not Canadians Mexicans etcetera. That's the blue one in case you missed it. (And the Pew Research poll have it dead lasting ) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Furthermore Chris, and no disrespect intended, my other point was that even American Democrats would be hard pressed to make drastic changes to their lifestyles to address a problem they apparently care more about than me. Your lifestyle, sir, has no bearing on ours. For us a steep increase in the price of goods that need to be made using fossil fuel energy would be unacceptable as would hey doubling or tripling of gasoline prices. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 To clear up any confusion here, Cleve posted this: can't paste it but I just googled democratic voters and polls on global warming, and it is as I said with them. It's easily in their top 3 I suggested he meant this one: This one maybe http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/05/05/republicans-and-democrats-approach-2016-with-different-priorities-wsjnbc-poll/ It's obviously not in the top 3 for all voters, I can read a graph as well as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Furthermore Chris, and no disrespect intended, my other point was that even American Democrats would be hard pressed to make drastic changes to their lifestyles to address a problem they apparently care more about than me. Your lifestyle, sir, has no bearing on ours. For us a steep increase in the price of goods that need to be made using fossil fuel energy would be unacceptable as would hey doubling or tripling of gasoline prices. WSS Why? The only unique challenge would be transport - being so sparsely populated means public transport isn't necessarily an efficient solution, I get that. That sucks, btw. Australia would also have that problem, FWIW, and they're about the only other developed country dragging its heels to the same degree on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And good for them. Personally I regularly drive 100 miles round trip to local gigs, from my home to the ferry boat at Put in Bay is a little over 100 miles each way. I don't know of anyone takes public transportation to go to work from the suburbs to Akron Ohio or Cleveland. Maybe there are some. I assume you folks already have crushing petrol prices and are used to it. We aren't and have a different lifestyle. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 How many people in thr democratic voting block do you think would be willing to pay double for their electronics? Anyone have any idea what the carbon footprint of a cell phone or a computer monitor is? http://fatknowledge.blogspot.com/2007/01/carbon-footprint-of-mobile-phone.html?m=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It's not great over here, but it's about the same wherever I've seen in europe - around £1.15/litre, which I think works out around $6-7 per gallon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It's not great over here, but it's about the same wherever I've seen in europe - around £1.15/litre, which I think works out around $6-7 per gallon. Fuck that. My daily commute is 140 miles round trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yep, things are a lot closer over here, so people don't have to go as far. If anyone commutes more than about 20 miles, they'll probably go by train, if at all possible. Plus, with 70 million people in a space the size of Ohio, the roads do tend to be quite busy generally. As for electronics, when the latest iPad came out, it was cheaper to fly to new york and buy one than buy it in london. So yeah, we also have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And good for them. Personally I regularly drive 100 miles round trip to local gigs, from my home to the ferry boat at Put in Bay is a little over 100 miles each way. I don't know of anyone takes public transportation to go to work from the suburbs to Akron Ohio or Cleveland. Maybe there are some. I assume you folks already have crushing petrol prices and are used to it. We aren't and have a different lifestyle. WSS When I worked in DC I had to take the Metro. There was no parking, except 25 dollar per day or more, plus the traffic was horrible. We did get extra money each month for transportation. Didn't start work until 0900, but had to leave about 0600 to avoid the extremely heavy traffic. Park at the Vienna Metro Station garage, take the metro in, and get to work about 1.5 hours early. Got off at 1700, usually arrived home around 1900. It sucked big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yep, things are a lot closer over here, so people don't have to go as far. If anyone commutes more than about 20 miles, they'll probably go by train, if at all possible. Plus, with 70 million people in a space the size of Ohio, the roads do tend to be quite busy generally. As for electronics, when the latest iPad came out, it was cheaper to fly to new york and buy one than buy it in london. So yeah, we also have that. If there were a viable train I'd take it. God knows we have enough rails in ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It's not great over here, but it's about the same wherever I've seen in europe - around £1.15/litre, which I think works out around $6-7 per gallon. So nearly three times as much as here. And we drive a lot more just because of the size of the country as you mentioned. But you should understand that's one reason we like it here. Yes it's worse in other places around the world and we are happy to be better off than those places. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 If there were a viable train I'd take it. God knows we have enough rails in ohio. So would I! If there was decent convenient public transportation I'd much rather hop on a bus and maybe a quick taxi ride to the bars. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'd much prefer sitting there reading a book on my commute than traffic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 If there were a viable train I'd take it. God knows we have enough rails in ohio. I was curious so I have a look to see how long it would take to get from various places to cleveland by car and by train. Not good... Akron - 1 hour (car);3 hours (train) Canton - 1:10; 1:40; Columbus - 2:15; 11; Toledo - 2; 2; - pleasantly surprising! Youngstown - 1:30; no public transport available? Strongsville - 0:40; 1:15 So somewhere between 50%-200% longer generally. That's not factoring in the amount of time to get to and from the station every day, which could easily be another 30 minutes. And seriously - to get to the state capital takes 11 hours? I'm sure google maps is missing something, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 So would I! If there was decent convenient public transportation I'd much rather hop on a bus and maybe a quick taxi ride to the bars. WSS And maybe be able to have a drink afterwards with your now-panty-less fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's probably by passenger train which I mentioned wasn't viable. But I assure you there are tracks for commercial trains which are much more direct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Well probably because we don't have the infrastructure for trains. And it would be cost prohibitive to send a bus to Columbus even if only directly from downtown to downtown. How many people does it comfortable passenger bus hold, 50? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And maybe be able to have a drink afterwards with your now-panty-less fans Sure. And seriously when I used to play in Key West I mostly took public transportation everyday. There is a big parking deck and from there with your parking ticket you could get on a bus that constantly circled through the city, get off get back on where you pleased. Still something like that is optimized for city use and would be much less convenient if I wanted to go to a variety of towns within 30 or 40 miles of home. But even then I think it would be great for every town to have a loop bus like that. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Strongsville shout out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Strongsville shout out I was trying to think of places in OH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I was trying to think of places in OH. I'm happy we made the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 It doesn't take 40 minutes from Strongsville to cleveland. It's a straight shot down 71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Good point. It is waaaay less than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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