wargograw Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Big 12 DTs are a joke now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Big 12 DTs are a joke now. I hope none of them read this forum. You might wreck their confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 League source= Phil's agent. Played 5 games last year. Had two knee surgeries. Not a tough call with Danny here now. Only tough pill to shallow was not cutting him before they had to pay him... But March is before the draft. If they don't draft Danny he is still here. Oh well. Still wonder if they tried to trade him out before hand and nobody took the bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 lol... gotta love a good boomerang... Always liked Phil over the nose. I have a feeling his lack of love for that position had something to do with this. I think he had a job here at NT, but wanted to be a DT/DE. I look for him to land on a 4-3 team. I did see a note in an article that we came to an injury settlement with him. Impression I got was his guaranteed money was negotiated down and we threw in the release. As for the roster... Shelton is a run-stopping upgrade... at least over the Phil of today, maybe the Phil of anyday. And since Phil was not going to be a pass-rushing NT so all that was left was a 2nd string run stuffer... not that valuable. AS for the wasted pick... old news... 2 FO's old to be precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 What an embarrassment. walter, walter, walter... is it going to be the first 3 weeks of negativity and then the 3 weeks of positivity or should we just call you mr. wishy washy from the get-go like we do every year? a concrete deal with you must be like standing in a pond of quicksand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 That is a Wow! So Shelton and Meder inside? Zombo This was a big surprise to everyone. Meder has been playing mostly 3 tech. After releasing Kitchen and Phil I'm not sure who the backup plan is for Shelton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Kinda surprised they couldn't trade him for something and just told him to kick rocks Teams aren't going to trade for a guy if they think he will get cut. I'm not too surprised, a player's best ability is availability and Taylor wasn't available all that often. We've got Shelton, Hughes, and Meder as 1/2/3 on the NT depth chart. Should be plenty, but don't be surprised if we see additional cuts on the D-Line. I'd say one or two from Billy Winn, Dylan Wynn, Jacobbi McDaniel will be gone to get to 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Having to cut guys like Phil Taylor and Kitchen mean our team is getting much deeper in talent. In years past the guys we cut had a hard time getting jobs even outside football lol. This year a lot of our cuts will bet legit NFL jobs still. I couldn't agree more. I always thought Taylor was a big "ugly" guy, but his that ugliness didn't show on the field. Good luck Phil, I really hope you prove me wrong, but I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well if you throw in Josh Gordon out all year, that's 3 Baylor Bears not having a great 2015. Damn we lost a hell of a goal line defense with Kitchen and Taylor in 1 day. Yes, I forgot about Gordon. Unfortunately, I think he wants to play for a "winner". If we can make a playoff push this year, we'll be in good position with him coming back. Otherwise, we'll see what we can get for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Sounds like the Browns will only pay the difference of what he gets paid with his new team, assuming it is less than the $5.477 million they owe him. Does that sound right or am I stockton shorting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 From what I understand, they negotiated an injury settlement, which I believe negates the contract...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 The lesson of the Phil Taylor experience: When will the Browns think offense? Sep 02, 2015 -- 6:00am By Tony Grossi | ESPNCleveland.com Photo/AP The Morning Kickoff … Closing the books: When the Browns “terminated” the contract of nose tackle Phil Taylor on Tuesday, it closed the books on one of the worst trades in the franchise’s recent history. That’s saying a lot. In 2011, the Browns owned the sixth overall pick of the first round. This was the second year of the Mike Holmgren regime. GM Tom Heckert was flushing out older players left from Eric Mangini’s two-year reign as coach. Heckert felt he needed bodies to transfuse the roster for new coach Pat Shurmur. New defensive coordinator Dick Jauron needed linemen to convert Mangini’s 3-4 defensive system to a 4-3. Enter Atlanta Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff, who craved Alabama receiver Julio Jones to pair with franchise quarterback Matt Ryan. The Falcons were thinking offense. The Browns were thinking defense. The Browns are always thinking defense, defense, defense. It’s an offensive league. Dimitroff offered five draft picks to move up for Jones – first-, second- and fourth-round picks in 2011, and first- and fourth-round picks in 2012. Heckert bit. It seemed like the right thing to do because the Browns are never one player away and are always infatuated with more picks and nose tackles and defense. Anything but touchdowns. In Atlanta, Dimitroff was excoriated for “selling the farm” for Jones. In four seasons, Jones has developed into one of the NFL’s elite receivers, earning two Pro Bowl appearances. On Aug. 29, Jones was made the league’s highest-paid receiver with a five-year extension for $71.25 million, including $47.5 million guaranteed. (The Falcons made the playoffs in Jones’ first two seasons, losing the NFC Championship to the 49ers in 2012, but have fallen on hard times the last two years, resulting in a coaching change to Dan Quinn. With Ryan and Jones and new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan – who resigned after one year in the Browns’ madhouse -- they are looking to rebound.) The Browns wanted Taylor to play next to Ahtyba Rubin in the middle of Jauron’s four-man front. To insure that, they gave up a third-round pick to Kansas City to move from No. 29 to No. 21. That third-round pick turned out to be Justin Houston, a rush linebacker who led the NFL in 2014 with 22 sacks. Anyways, Heckert blew the Atlanta draft pick windfall on Taylor, receiver Greg Little, and fullback Owen Marecic in 2011; and then on quarterback Brandon Weeden in 2012. The fourth-round pick in 2012 was a throw-in to move up one spot with the Browns’ first, first-round pick in ’12 to select running back Trent Richardson. It gets worse, of course. In May of 2014, the Ray Farmer-Mike Pettine Browns – two regimes after Holmgren-Heckert -- exercised the team’s fifth-year option on Taylor’s contract, which ultimately guaranteed him $5.477 million for 2015. Taylor would suffer two knee surgeries in 2014, rendering the 335-pounder a veritable glacier – slow and immobile -- in an ever fast-paced game. The Browns have plenty salary cap room to eat Taylor’s $5.477 million guarantee. But, still. Knowing Taylor’s days were numbered, the Browns then were compelled to use their No. 1 pick in 2015 on his replacement, Danny Shelton. So, another nose tackle. And the treadmill rolls on. Johnny’s elbow: Johnny Manziel emerged on Tuesday to say that he received assurance from noted sports surgeon Dr. James Andrews that he doesn’t need surgery on his sore right elbow, that he has experienced elbow tendinitis since his freshman year at Texas A&M, and that he is “sure” he will resume throwing next week and be prepared to serve as Josh McCown’s backup for the opening of the season Sept. 13 against the New York Jets. “I don’t expect it to go away completely because this is kind of an injury where I will feel a little bit of tightness,” Manziel said. “Your elbow will get sore just from being a quarterback and throwing. That is not anything out of the ordinary.” So now the Browns have a backup quarterback still “day to day” in recovery from a 73-day stay in a substance abuse treatment center, who has a sore elbow, and is 22 years old, and has never won an NFL game, and is still learning how to read NFL defenses, and is still learning his second offense in two years. Which begs the question to Pettine: Are you comfortable with that? “Whoever our two quarterback is – right now we’re hopeful that it’s going to be Johnny – he has to be able to throw,” Pettine said. “We’re not going to roll the dice and go into a game, especially after Josh showed us that he can be a little bit on the reckless side sometimes. “We’re confident that (Manziel will) be where he needs to be, and like I said before, if we’re not, then we’ll address it appropriately.” The Browns complete their preseason schedule Thursday in Chicago with Thad Lewis and Pat Devlin handling the quarterback chores. With roster cutdown to 53 beckoning on Saturday, Farmer and Pettine have to decide whether to keep a third quarterback or add one to the practice squad because of Manziel’s sore elbow. “To me, you need to have three quarterbacks on campus,” Pettine said. “If we go with the decision to only carry two on the 53 -- and we have not made that determination yet -- I just think three on campus, three or four on campus, is important.” Names to watch: Oakland Raiders QB Matt McGloin and Chicago Bears QB David Fales. Both have associations with Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo. Local connections: Kicker Carey Spear, of Mayfield High School and the Ohio high school co-record holder with a 61-yard field goal, was waived in the first roster cut. Spear had made both of his field goals in preseason action, from 47 and 36 yards, and all four of his PATs, but apparently lost his competition against Travis Coons because of producing only two touchbacks on six kickoffs in the three practice games. “Statistically, it was almost a dead heat, especially when you put all of the practice stuff in,” Pettine said. “I would say that (Coons has) got a slightly bigger leg. Carey was a guy I thought got the ball up in the air a little bit better so you could really compare the kicks, but Travis has a slightly bigger leg, but it was close. It was not an easy decision.” At the same time, the release of Phil Taylor bode well for Parma Heights native Jamie Meder, who appears to have earned a roster spot as a backup defensive tackle. “Jamie Meder has stepped up and proven that he can play at a high level in this league,” Pettine said. http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=48951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 i wish all the pundits that hate the brown's draft had a solution BEFORE the draft. most people loved all these picks (even on this board) and then when they turned out to be DOO DOO they all look for someone to blame. my thought is to trade away all our first rounders from here on out so that way no one can boo hoo anything anymore. bunch of bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 wish we coulda gotten a bit more outta/for him. we took a loss there--underwhelming underperformance. while wishing post-Browns success is conflicting and bittersweet, I'm almost over it now already. good luck Phil. wish you well in health and in future endeavors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 i wish all the pundits that hate the brown's draft had a solution BEFORE the draft. bunch of bitches. Well.....its simple......all the second guessers apparently were wrong on their first guess..... Nothing else to do but have a hissy......(Ive had kids, I know how it goes) while wishing post-Browns success is conflicting and bittersweet, I'm almost over it now already.. and...if or when he has success.....the whining and crying will start right back up(10 fold)....and all the babies that cried about what a bad pick he was(4 years after the fact) will just start whining about us cutting him when he looks sooooo good on that other team..... In summary....if we cut him, we are dumb for picking him....and if he does well, we are dumb for cutting him....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 It is big boy time for this team, no more room for pussies like Taylor. I said awhile back that he would have to earn a spot, but then I got caught up on the contract ramifications and changed my mind. Then seeing him not play this camp -- I thought the Browns were giving him another pass. Not so, Pett is forming a team to fit his demeanor and oft-injured half asses like Taylor are no longer needed. Give me a Meder any day, I want guys that are hungry for more than the buffet. Taylor was just a more recent version of Fat Money. Good riddance and bring on the guys who want to Play Like a Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 all well and good riff until it's said player that turns out to be all-pro on another team and it will be people like you that question why he was cut. thankfully when all is said and done given how bad our first round picks have been since '99 we haven't had to worry about that. they've just all sucked ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 It is big boy time for this team, no more room for pussies like Taylor. Cal concurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 all well and good riff until it's said player that turns out to be all-pro on another team and it will be people like you that question why he was cut. thankfully when all is said and done given how bad our first round picks have been since '99 we haven't had to worry about that. they've just all sucked ass. He can have a HOFer career from here on out and I won't bitch about the decision to let him go. Fat dudes with bad knees and work ethic/entitlement issues generally don't go on to do much else though. He is/was highly overrated by a lot of our fans including myself -- but not anymore. This is what good teams do. Cut the dead weight losses and move on. We have some good guys on the dline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Big 12 DTs are a joke now. That is a complete generalization. Gerald McCoy is Big 12...and one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Who do we think is going to pick him up? Would it surprise anyone if the Steelers or Ravens went after him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Who do we think is going to pick him up? Would it surprise anyone if the Steelers or Ravens went after him? yes. bengals? not as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg2fan Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Who do we think is going to pick him up? Would it surprise anyone if the Steelers or Ravens went after him? I hope they do. Then they will find out just like we did when he's not able to stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Would it surprise anyone if the Steelers or Ravens went after him? wouldnt surprise me.....both need serious help on the defense.....especially the stools who are allowing like 207 pts a game so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffer X Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 According to DawgsByNature: Players Terminated NT Phil Taylor - This is a pretty big stunner, as it seemed like the team could use him in a limited backup role this season to split reps with rookie NT Danny Shelton. It would also seem that this locks up a roster spot for NT Jamie Meder, who has had an impressive past couple of weeks as a backup.Taylor won't be out any money, as his $5.477 million contract this year is fully guaranteed. There is no offset language on the contract, so Taylor will be able to double dip with whatever team he signs with next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 i wish all the pundits that hate the brown's draft had a solution BEFORE the draft. most people loved all these picks (even on this board) and then when they turned out to be DOO DOO they all look for someone to blame. my thought is to trade away all our first rounders from here on out so that way no one can boo hoo anything anymore. bunch of bitches. GREAT post. Grossi's article is so predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 That is a complete generalization. Gerald McCoy is Big 12...and one of the best. It's gotten worse by the year and he's been out for going on 6 of them. It's a generally accurate generalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm not really digging this cut but will stick with the trust da staff philosophy. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFBF Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Couple Vets out . . . (needed) House Cleaning ? Will not be surprised to see some other Vets moved out, I still think there's a Cancer in this Team somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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