Bob806 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 ....need to stop scheduling cupcakes like Arkansas!! Hey Bret Bielema, football was invented right here in Ohio, shut your piehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yeah never got the Arkansas hype train. Most overrated team in this league and I know for most of you, that's saying something LOL. Glad we can stop hearing about how a dude who's 2-14 in conference is "building something," bla bla bla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Inflate SEC rankings in the preseason Give SEC teams ranked wins "They beat a ranked team! They should move up!" "They lost to a ranked team, they shouldn't drop that far!" Rinse and repeat. Arkansas just didn't hold up their end of the bargain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Or South Carolina...who lost to the 2d/3rd weakest program in the SEC. And Auburn....who came within a cunt hair of losing to an FCS team. But lets put the Toledo win ....AND the Bowling Green win over Maryland in perspective: The MAC ALWAYS comes away with a couple of wins each year against P5 teams. Here are the MAC victories over P5 programs the last 10 years: 2015 so far: Bowling Green over Maryland Toledo over Arkansas 2014 Akron over Pitt W. Mich. over Purdue Cent. Mich over Purdue N. Ill. over Nortwestern Bowling Green over Indiana 2013 N. Ill over Iowa N. Ill over Purdue Ball St. over Virginia 2012 Ohio over Penn St. Ball St. over Indiana Cent. Mich over Iowa Kent St. over Rutgers 2011 Ball St. over Indiana 2010 Toledo over Purdue N. Ill over Minnesota 2009 Cent. Mich over Michigan St. N. Ill. over Purdue 2008 Bowling Green over Pitt Akron over Syracuse Ball St. over Indiana Toledo over Michigan Cent. Mich over Indiana 2007 Kent St. over Iowa Bowling Green over Minn. Toledo over Iowa St. Miami over Syracuse 2006 Akron over NC St. W. Mich over Virginia Ohio over Illinois 2005 Ohio over Pitt Miam over Cincinnati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 But lets put the Toledo win ....AND the Bowling Green win over Maryland in perspective: The MAC ALWAYS comes away with a couple of wins each year against P5 teams. Here are the MAC victories over P5 programs the last 10 years: 2015 so far: Bowling Green over Maryland Toledo over Arkansas 2014 Akron over Pitt W. Mich. over Purdue Cent. Mich over Purdue N. Ill. over Nortwestern Bowling Green over Indiana 2013 N. Ill over Iowa N. Ill over Purdue Ball St. over Virginia 2012 Ohio over Penn St. Ball St. over Indiana Cent. Mich over Iowa Kent St. over Rutgers 2011 Ball St. over Indiana 2010 Toledo over Purdue N. Ill over Minnesota 2009 Cent. Mich over Michigan St. N. Ill. over Purdue 2008 Bowling Green over Pitt Akron over Syracuse Ball St. over Indiana Toledo over Michigan Cent. Mich over Indiana 2007 Kent St. over Iowa Bowling Green over Minn. Toledo over Iowa St. Miami over Syracuse 2006 Akron over NC St. W. Mich over Virginia Ohio over Illinois 2005 Ohio over Pitt Miam over Cincinnati Yeah, it's just usually against a Big10 school 95% of the time I'm surprised one of you Moes hasn't broken this one out yet. it's a good one.. Yer welcome.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yeah, it's just usually against a Big10 school 95% of the time I'm surprised one of you Moes hasn't broken this one out yet. it's a good one.. Yer welcome.. Arkansas should start scheduling more FCS schools.....someone they can beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Inflate SEC rankings in the preseason Give SEC teams ranked wins "They beat a ranked team! They should move up!" "They lost to a ranked team, they shouldn't drop that far!" Rinse and repeat. Arkansas just didn't hold up their end of the bargain So what is the standard? Bowl games? Whoever Woody decides is the best conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 So what is the standard? Bowl games? Whoever Woody decides is the best conference? I think the way the Big Ten is going to do it could be the standard for the future of the P5 teams: Minimum 9 conference games. Mandatory 1 non-conf. game vs. other P5 conf. team. NO games vs. FCS by P5 teams. (and yes, I think the P5 conferences should have 16 teams each....80 total, per my proposal). I think the other P5 teams will feel pressured to adopt this setup once the Big Ten does so. It still preserves the "warm up games" that a team can schedule against mid majors...MAC/SunBelt/MWC. Those mid-majors would not have the same restrictions. Example: Akron and Kent St. ...FBS teams, have had games against near rival Youngstown St....FCS....which is really not that much of a step down in strength of program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I also think that if the P5 conferences do not adopt this sort of policy...it will hurt whatever conference refused to go along with the playoff committee.....be it that there is a 4 team or 8 team playoff. Getting rid of the cupcakes on the schedule is a first start. The Big Ten has not completely gone away from it yet.....but they are starting to. Here are the Big Ten FCS opponents that will not be allowed in the future: Indiana vs. So. Illinois Maryland vs. Richmond Rutgers vs. Norfolk St. Illinois vs. West. Illinois Iowa vs. Illinois St. Northwestern vs. East. Illinois Purdue vs. Indiana St. only 7 of the 12 Big Ten schools have an FCs opponent. Ohio St., Penn St. Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin do not have FCS opponents. The SEC's record is much worse: 13 of the 14 schools have an FCS opponent on their schedule: Georgia vs. Southern Kentucky vs. E. Ky. Missouri vs. SE Missouri South Carolina vs. The Citadel Tenn. vs. Western Carolina Vandy vs. Austin Peay Alabama vs. Charleston Southern Arkansas vs. Tenn. Martin Auburn vs. Jacksonville St. LSU vs. McNeese St. Mississippi St. vs. Northwestern St. Ole Miss vs UT Martin Texas A&M vs. Western Carolina ONLY Florida did not have an FCS school scheduled. When Spurrier and Beilama get rid of their schedule fodder, they can talk. Will the SEC adopt the no FCS school rule? Why do I feel they will be gutless here? I will have to check on how the other conferences fare in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 The ACC is as bad as the SEC. Only 1 school....Duke of all people do not have an FCS school on their schedule. Boston College has 2: BC vs. Maine BC vs. Howard FSU vs. Chattanooga L-ville vs. Samford NC St. vs. E. Ky. Syracuse vs. Rhode Island Wake vs Elon (which mighy actually be D-III) Ga. Tech vs. Alcorn St. Miami vs. Bethune-Cookman NC vs. NC A&T Pitt vs. Youngstown St. Virginia vs. William and Mary Va. Tech vs. Furman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 In the Big 12....things are average......The really top notch programs there....Oklahoma and Texas do NOT have an FCS school on their schedule....the others do. (the current Big 12 does play a complete round robin of 9 conference games): Baylor vs. Lamar Iowa St. vs. N. Iowa Kansas vs. South Dakota St. Kansas St. vs. South Dakota OK St. vs. Central Arkansas TCU vs. Stephen F. Austin Texas Tech vs. Sam Houston St. W. Va. vs. Liberty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Finally for the Pac12, it is a bit closer to the Big Ten in avoiding games vs. FCS teams. Stanford, UCLA, USC and Utah do not play any FCS teams....but here are the other games: Cal vs. Grambling Oregon vs. East. Washington Ore. St. vs. Weber St. Washington vs. Sacramento St. Washington vs. Portland St. Arizona vs. Northern Arizona AZ St. vs. Cal Poly SLO Colorado vs. Nichols St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I think the way the Big Ten is going to do it could be the standard for the future of the P5 teams: Minimum 9 conference games. Mandatory 1 non-conf. game vs. other P5 conf. team. NO games vs. FCS by P5 teams. (and yes, I think the P5 conferences should have 16 teams each....80 total, per my proposal). I think the other P5 teams will feel pressured to adopt this setup once the Big Ten does so. It still preserves the "warm up games" that a team can schedule against mid majors...MAC/SunBelt/MWC. Those mid-majors would not have the same restrictions. Example: Akron and Kent St. ...FBS teams, have had games against near rival Youngstown St....FCS....which is really not that much of a step down in strength of program. That's not the standard I was asking about. I was asking what the standard was for determining the best conference. Neither you, nor Woody, nor every other drive-by poster that comes here and bashes the SEC has a coherent answer. But again, why do you care what other teams besides OSU do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I'll say the mentality started with the top two teams of the SEC being successful and the rest of the conference thumping their chests. Then dismissing the team(s) and conference(s) that had lost in a BCS or Title game... i.e. tOSU in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 That's not the standard I was asking about. I was asking what the standard was for determining the best conference. Neither you, nor Woody, nor every other drive-by poster that comes here and bashes the SEC has a coherent answer. But again, why do you care what other teams besides OSU do? OK, fine: the standard for determining the best conference is which conference schedules the toughest non-conference schedule combined with not scheduling cakewalks. Do I really care? No......but honestly....is it at all interesting to see these schools scheduling these cream puffs and winning 76-0. I mean, sure, an FBS school can play a mid major and win 76-0 on rare occasion....but that is an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on. You see though....it took the entire conference to do that. What you have here apparently is an entire conference measuring itself against one team. Probably appropriate. (but remember...YOUR team was not one of those 7-8 teams you are talking about.....wasn't even part of the conference during most of that time) Why don't you talk about what your team has accomplished....and not worry about what other teams have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 4 different teams won natties just in the 7 year stretch so not really. I've always liked OSU, but you can't blame people for dismissing a team that had lost, what, 8 straight games against the SEC? If OSU had beaten SEC teams 8 straight times I would certainly never hear the end of it here so come on. You're telling me that ESPN didn't start pimping "SEC Speeeeeeeeed" January 2007? Because I sure as fuck remember them doing that. I also remember M*chigan being beaten by USC and the 'Big 10 is slow, can't compete' etc etc was in full go by that point. As it stands, the SEC hasn't had a title game winner in a couple years yet you hear about conference superiority still. They shouldn't have had 2 representatives in 2011 either. That was such horse shit. For some reason that superiority mantra didn't take long to establish yet doesn't seem to be going away anywhere near as quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 A rematch in 2011 but none in 2007.... Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 OK, fine: the standard for determining the best conference is which conference schedules the toughest non-conference schedule combined with not scheduling cakewalks. Do I really care? No......but honestly....is it at all interesting to see these schools scheduling these cream puffs and winning 76-0. I mean, sure, an FBS school can play a mid major and win 76-0 on rare occasion....but that is an exception. Then there's no point in us debating since we don't have the same criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 You see though....it took the entire conference to do that. What you have here apparently is an entire conference measuring itself against one team. Probably appropriate. (but remember...YOUR team was not one of those 7-8 teams you are talking about.....wasn't even part of the conference during most of that time) Why don't you talk about what your team has accomplished....and not worry about what other teams have done. Again, I could say the same to you. Why don't you worry about what your team has accomplished (or revel in it, or whatever)....and not worry about what SEC teams have done? Yes it took the entire conference, but you were only playing one at a time. It is hard to lose 8 or 9 straight games to one conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 You're telling me that ESPN didn't start pimping "SEC Speeeeeeeeed" January 2007? Because I sure as fuck remember them doing that. I also remember M*chigan being beaten by USC and the 'Big 10 is slow, can't compete' etc etc was in full go by that point. As it stands, the SEC hasn't had a title game winner in a couple years yet you hear about conference superiority still. They shouldn't have had 2 representatives in 2011 either. That was such horse shit. For some reason that superiority mantra didn't take long to establish yet doesn't seem to be going away anywhere near as quickly. This makes no sense. After 7 straight titles, people like you still denied that it was the best conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 This makes no sense. After 7 straight titles, people like you still denied that it was the best conference. No, I think what has been said that there is no denying that it had the best top teams......overall conference during that stretch? I am still not convinced. Also "was" is the operative term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Ok well when one conference can sustain the title for more than a year they can take it. PFF graded Andrew Whitworth better than Joe Thomas for the 2014 season. That does not mean he's the best LT in the NFL (and PFF wouldn't tell you that either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Ok well when one conference can sustain the title for more than a year they can take it. Conferences don't win titles. Teams do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 That's a fine opinion. I don't mind it. But in that case I really have no idea why you argue the point so much or get so worked up about other teams' OOC schedule. Should just worry about OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 That's a fine opinion. I don't mind it. But in that case I really have no idea why you argue the point so much or get so worked up about other teams' OOC schedule. Should just worry about OSU. Ohio State is the defending national champion and #1 in all the polls. So I guess I am not worried about them. But everyone else should worry about them. You sound worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 They were preseason #1 and returned more snaps from last year than any SEC team. So no, if they win again, I won't be too upset. It's expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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