calfoxwc Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 CNN's political bigotry showed. They let trump and bush talk as long as they wanted - they enjoyed, and instigated, bickering by mostly those two. And every time any of the others were making a great point - the CNN morons would cut them off quickly. And, cut them off even quicker if they criticized obamao or hillary. CNN thrived on the idea that they could make it into a self-destructive circus by piting them against each other. You can see the respect that Carson and Rubio have from all the rest of the crowd. Pretty dishonest. Here's my grades: Trump - F -was an ignorant ass, ruined his momentum, will now fall further. Bush - D just another political player who says stuff, then it disappears after he gets elected. My prime candidate for "big dummy who will be most unlike his governor self as president, and be exaclty as cowardly as Boehner and McConnell" Cruz - C made sense, upped his standing..still looks like a bald eagle eyeing dinner. Fiorina - B- carly did a fine job, but seemed snarky even when making great points. Carson - *A* was a big winner in the debate - explained his illegals immigration plan. no, it is most certainly NOT an amnesty at all. Really made some great points, and commands respect when he does them. After thinking about it, I trust his point about wisdom solutions vs military solutions. I admire the man. Christie - C did good at times, great once - about 9/11, don't trust him. He hugged obamao. Rubio - *A* also a big winner. Seriously showed why he has the ability to see foreign affairs with great detail, and how about a Rubio-Carson ticket? Huckabee - C+ did fine, still tunes in to more indignance than leadership. Kasich - C Did okay - shows a lot of leadership, but not standupish enough on immigration and marriage. Not much evidence that he listens to anyone else but himself.... Rand - D - showed himself to be an immature pouty pus, and a renegade about common sense and reality sometimes. His adamant posturing is all political. Walker - C+ made some sense, brags about himself less than some, more than others... Fairly sincere, but short on foreign affairs, made nearly no impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 In order of succession to the Presidency (Carson or Rubio): (how I see the candidates) Vice President Carson or Rubio Department of StateKasich Department of the Treasury Fiorina Department of Defensedon't know Department of JusticeAttorney General Cruz Department of the Interior don't knowDepartment of Agriculturedon't knowDepartment of Commercedon't know Department of LaborWalker Department of Health and Human ServicesrandDepartment of Housing and Urban DevelopmentSecretary HuckabeeDepartment of Transportationdon't knowDepartment of Energyeliminate it federallyDepartment of Educationeliminate it federallyDepartment of Veterans Affairsdon't knowDepartment of Homeland SecurityChristie White House Chief of Staffdon't know Office of Management & Budget don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Kasich isn't willing to stand up on matters of principle. He has lost any chance of getting my vote. Fiorina/Cruz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Didn't we already have a thread going over the debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Didn't we already have a thread going over the debateWhat's the header? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Well... I mean... It's hidden in there, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Kasich isn't willing to stand up on matters of principle. He has lost any chance of getting my vote. Fiorina/Cruz! Florina is was fired from HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 What issues do you think John Kasich is avoiding? I agree with the guy isn't quite charismatic enough for a presidential candidate, unfortunately. Besides mishandling the Obama meeting I don't have much other bitch with chris Christie. I think Dr Carson is a little bit too mild mannered. Mike Huckabee had his shot and realizes he's not going to win this time but that makes it easier for him to go hard on his principles. Donald Trump is a novelty. The left loves him because they think he divides the Republican Party and the left controls most of the media. (you don't hear many people disagreeing with the things he says) Jeb Bush bores me to death. I'm fine with Scott Walker or Marco Rubio but I like Carly Fiorina better than either one. I think she might grab the silent majority of women vote. I do not think Rubio will necessarily do well with Latinos because Mexicans don't consider themselves all that kindred with Cubans, they merely share a language. Good riddance to Lindsey Graham and Rick Perry. Hopefully Donald Trump will win it all or get the fuck out soon. Remember it's still pre-season so let him suck all the oxygen out of the room for now. I don't think he will be a factor as election time draws near. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I thought Kasich wasn't completely terrible. After a bad taste joke at the start, Rubio looked less terrible. But I have to agree with cal (gulp) - the questions were just horrible. Some questions that probably should have been asked: - How will you raise/lower taxes and why - How will you deal with ISIS - How will you deal with Russia - How will you encourage job growth - How will you encourage economic growth - Are going against Obamacare, if so why are you using it, and what is your alternative? - How do you feel about free tuition for core subjects as an investment in the future of the coutnry - How do you intend to bring jobs back from overseas - How do you intend to stop jobs from going overseas Instead, we got: - Candidate X, candidate Y said something bad about you, what do you say? And in response all we got was "Trump bad, muslims bad, immigrants bad, abortions bad" - I'm pretty certain at least 9 or 10 of the candidates have that stance. Are we (you, in fairness) just voting on a generic candidate? I mean, the knee-jerk comedy joke is of course yes, they're all generic on both sides. How much of that was down to CNN I don't know, how much it was down to the candidates as well. But it didn't seem vastly different from the Fox moderated one a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 You wonder if they can put some polish on Kasich how he would come across??? Fiorina is not what this country needs(no I don't know, just that shes a bitch ClassA) More than half of the folks on stage will flame out once all the dirt is exposed in our lovely vetting process... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Florina is a failed CEO. She is talking out her ass on things like "we will rebuild the 6th Fleet". We need to add to the fleets, not rebuild. And the 7th Fleet is the one we need to concentrate on, not the 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Florina is a failed CEO. She is talking out her ass on things like "we will rebuild the 6th Fleet". We need to add to the fleets, not rebuild. And the 7th Fleet is the one we need to concentrate on, not the 6th. I work with a couple people who work for HP, and lets just say they felt she made the company a lot worse during her tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Rubio is not my favorite but good enough and I think has the best chance of winning next year. I have always liked Ted Cruz though and if Trump starts to fade I look for Cruz to go up in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I think we spent 30 minutes on how killing babies is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I will agree that CNN turned it early into a clown show. That being said, some of the people up there were more than happy to oblige. Fox didn't really do a lot different. I felt so bad for Carly being questioned about the comment that ingnoramus made about her looks...than had to endure that ass of sharpie looking cunt say Oh I think she's beautiful, no really I do. That to me was the cringiest thing I've ever seen in Politics. And you could see it on her face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I think the cable networks have one eye on having a good debate on the issues and the other eye on the 23 million viewers and wanting to put on a good show. The eye on the good debate is best for the country (but it might be boring for some) and for educating voters but the networks are in business to make money and want some entertainment in the debate. So they ask those questions that are not of any real importance to stir up the pot pitting one candidate against the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'll agree that CNN is just playing to the new American attention span, nobody can be bothered anymore unless it's salacious drama. But fuck did I want to turn that shit off quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Only 23 million viewers? Like, seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Only 23 million viewers? Like, seriously? http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/17/us-usa-election-cnn-idUSKCN0RH2DV20150917 Fox had a little more at about 24mil when they did theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Only 23 million viewers? Like, seriously? That is a lot of viewers for a cable network with a debate this far out from the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Really? OK. I mean, less than 10% of the country. But I guess that's not *that* outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Probably about 10% of the voting populous. Closer to 30% of the GOP base, a year ahead of elections. I guess that's not so bad. Just seemed really low initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 aren't those figures derived solely off of people who have those Nielsen boxes? I know they then statistically extrapolate but still, the actual number could be double or triple that, they just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Kasich says it's pointless to stand up to Obama on the planned parenthood matter. He's afraid it will end up looking bad. He shouldn't be worried about how it looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Florina is was fired from HP. Yeah I think she left the company in the shitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 And her face doesn't move. She could have been happy or sad at the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Kasich says it's pointless to stand up to Obama on the planned parenthood matter. He's afraid it will end up looking bad. He shouldn't be worried about how it looks. Wasted effort that will lead nowhere and push some independents further to the democrats. No amount of kicking and screaming is going to stop abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Government doesn't need to fund a private abortion giant that is committing felonies. That's enough principle in itsself. Grow a spine and stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I really want to see Carson get the nod because then I will be able to test my theory that majority black voters will vote for a black republican over a white democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 If the republicans frame the debate over planned parenthood to the overall push to end all abortions, yeah they're not gonna win that. The country has told the rep party numerous times we just aren't that conservative. However, if they frame it that we're not trying to stop abortions ie overturn Roe v Wade..what we're trying to do is ensure that abortions in this country don't become a capitalist market endeavor where women can mill out fetus parts, that they can win. They can win a lot of democrats if they say "WE ARE NOT GOING TO OVERTURN ROE V WADE". They can't do that though, so PP will go on as they please which is infuriating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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