Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 need some more Muslim defense. The home defender 12 ga. pump is fine for the house, but who knows when the next Muslim attack will be? Who knows where? I'm looking for a nice concealed carry weapon, probably a .380 semi or maybe a Rossi .380 revolver. I hear Ruger makes the best .380 you can get at a $350 price point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Won't even bother looking at a 9mm. Those damn Muslims don't care if they die or not, so they'll be hard to stop with a 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 9mm is a stronger round than .380. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 There are differing opinions about that. Almost everyone I know says the .380 is stronger. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 You can Google it yourself. .380 is nowhere near a 9mm. Are you confusing it with .38? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Even then a .38 is still just on par with 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 .45acp still stop somebody more effectively than a 9mm or .380  Edit  .380 is shorter than the 9mm but they are the same diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 .45acp still stop somebody more effectively than a 9mm or .380 I am a 9mm proponent. .45 is just fine but capacity will always be my main priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 .380 is a 9mm with a shorter casing thus less power. Â I'd look at a Glock 19. Reliable, concealable (to an extent), and caries 15 rounds standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 .45acp still stop somebody more effectively than a 9mm or .380  Edit  .380 is shorter than the 9mm but they are the same diameter. Thus less powder. It ends up shaking out ft/lbs wise in the 9mm makarov range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 .380 is a 9mm with a shorter casing thus less power. Â I'd look at a Glock 19. Reliable, concealable (to an extent), and caries 15 rounds standard. That is my everyday carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Nah not confusing it. I'll have to ask my prepper friends that keep insisting 9mm is a weak round. They swear by a .380. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 The little lady needs to be able to accurately fire it. I'm actually kind of leaning towards a 40. I don't think she could handle a 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 The little lady needs to be able to accurately fire it. I'm actually kind of leaning towards a 40. I don't think she could handle a 45 A 9mm would be better suited for the wife. .40 is snappy. My wife hates and prefers either 9mm or .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I just got my girl a .380 because she is 4'10" and has the hands of a child lol. She's a pretty decent shot though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Our Sccy 9 mm kicks a bit too much for my Wife's liking. It's smaller, and very easy to conceal and carry. Smaller and lighter, a bit bigger kick, that a bigger, heavier gun...? And she isn't a newbie to guns, she used to work at her boyfriend's uncle's gun shop. Â Which, I never knew when we were dating.... and I was showing her how to aim and shoot my .22 magnum rifle.. Â I get done with my safety speech, etc, and finally let her shoot, and she nailed all eight targets like Annie Oakley..... THEN she told me... very funny.... Â I'd like to get her a .380 or something. not a .22, that doesn't kick as much, and has a easier slide for teaching a few friends who have been asking. Maybe a Warther.... Â With a .45... I think the kick would make it harder to shoot at two threatening targets quickly enough. The recovery when I shot a friends 1911 just seems a bit much. 9mm hollow point will stop a crazed muslim terrorist or any other nutjob just fine, I think. Â I was wondering about a .25 - at an auction we went to, but don't know anything about that. It was an Italian make - older gun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Cal. A single hollow point 9mm won't always stop a crazed anything/anyone. It's not the movies. Â But 15 of them(as you are trained to fire until the threat is neutralized/eliminated) will give you a chance of getting yourself/loved ones to safety. As long as you train center of mass, MOBG (moment of bad guy)- roughly the size of a dinner plate. Â .45 acp doesn't kick as much as it "pushes". Which is the best way I can describe it (and heard it described). The difference in "kick" between a 9mm polymer mid sized handgun (eg Glock 19) and a metal 1911 chambered in .45acp is negligible. Some (1st time) women I've shot with have preferred the 1911 because of the smooth action and balance. Logic describes the "snap" of a .40 cal pretty well and has to do with muzzle flip/rise. I find getting a .45 back on target much easier than a .40cal in comparable sized/weight guns (Glock 30 and Glock 23) due to the "snappy" phenomenon of the .40 cal round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 9 is definitely stronger than .380 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 A couple of months ago I bought a hi point 4595 .45 carbine rifle. Hi point gets a lot of flak but that gun is a champ. I believe it would be my go to for home defense. Â Now my go to for YARD defense would be my superlite ar-15 but I wouldn't shoot that in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ok. Yes, a 9mm has more velocity. But that velocity sort of prevents the bullet from doing as much damage in a Muslim. The .380 is slower but has more time to expand thus inflicting more damage to a Muslim. That's the supposed story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ok. Yes, a 9mm has more velocity. But that velocity sort of prevents the bullet from doing as much damage in a Muslim. The .380 is slower but has more time to expand thus inflicting more damage to a Muslim. That's the supposed story. Â I disagree with supposed story, the main benefit is .380 is a bit easier to conceal and handle. Â In short range the velocity difference would likely not make much difference in terms of stopping somebody, 9mm gives you a little more accuracy over a longer range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Cal. A single hollow point 9mm won't always stop a crazed anything/anyone. It's not the movies. Â But 15 of them(as you are trained to fire until the threat is neutralized/eliminated) will give you a chance of getting yourself/loved ones to safety. As long as you train center of mass, MOBG (moment of bad guy)- roughly the size of a dinner plate. Â .45 acp doesn't kick as much as it "pushes". Which is the best way I can describe it (and heard it described). The difference in "kick" between a 9mm polymer mid sized handgun (eg Glock 19) and a metal 1911 chambered in .45acp is negligible. Some (1st time) women I've shot with have preferred the 1911 because of the smooth action and balance. Logic describes the "snap" of a .40 cal pretty well and has to do with muzzle flip/rise. I find getting a .45 back on target much easier than a .40cal in comparable sized/weight guns (Glock 30 and Glock 23) due to the "snappy" phenomenon of the .40 cal round. Interesting. Could his 1911 have been a .40? It seems like shooting a hand cannon or something. Â I just think the "snap" took me off target more, and farther. I can regain a target pretty quickly with my 9mm... Â 1. I need to see if my CCW instructor teaches an advanced course. Â 2. I need to practice once in a while. Â 3. I just bought a Lux-pro tactical flashlight. 320 lumens, 220 ft. I can target a threat in the dark, (couldn't find any night sights for the sccy....), and blind an attacker temporarily and get away, I think an unarmed attacker... you still have to fear for your safety - but unarmed... I'd rather not have to shoot somebody if they don't carry a weapon. Â 4. #3 is interesting, and a concern to how I would react in a real situation. Maybe the threat is a middle eastern looking terrorist running at us yelling "alahu aakbar" sp? holding a button up in the air. Hopefully, he's still a hundred yards away, eh? Maybe it's only an ink pen or pencil? Â Wait...that's still a weapon... Â 5. I'm glad some of you guys know a lot about this subject, wish I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ok. Yes, a 9mm has more velocity. But that velocity sort of prevents the bullet from doing as much damage in a Muslim. The .380 is slower but has more time to expand thus inflicting more damage to a Muslim. That's the supposed story. Modern hollowpoints all expand and do their job inside of the intended target. In fact, I had a knucklehead tap a round off inside of a gymnasium. The bullet hit an interior wall, expanded, and did not pass through to the other side. The 9mm hollowpoint did exactly what it was supposed to. The guy was booted out immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Interesting. Could his 1911 have been a .40? It seems like shooting a hand cannon or something. Â I just think the "snap" took me off target more, and farther. I can regain a target pretty quickly with my 9mm... Some people have issues with 1911s due to proper grip. I think if someone were to show you then you would have a different opinion about the 1911. They are smooth shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Good point about the need to hit muslims from a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Modern hollowpoints all expand and do their job inside of the intended target. In fact, I had a knucklehead tap a round off inside of a gymnasium. The bullet hit an interior wall, expanded, and did not pass through to the other side. The 9mm hollowpoint did exactly what it was supposed to. The guy was booted out immediately.Desk pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Desk pop. Haha that was the exact joke after the guy left and everyone wiped the crap out of their boxers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Easily a top 5 movie for me. Â They've got a new movie coming out where Will Ferrell is the step dad and Marky mark is the biological father, but they're basically playing the same characters from "the other guys". I can't wait to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Revolver or semi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I always go semi auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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