The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 This team needs somewhat of a management restructuring....but to do that would be pretty simple. You have the owner: Haslam You have a President of Business Operations: Scheiner. Fine, let them do what they do. That is not the problem. But the Browns have no one really in control of the Football side of things. There is none now in this organization. The last one we had was Mike Holmgren. Banner....who ran the money side of things tried to do both...but he was an absurd asshole for trying. No, We neee POFO. The Holmgren model could have been right....with a better person in the job. This POFO would be placed in charge by Haslam. (like Randy did with Holmgren). This POFO would hire (or retain) his own GM....and those two together would hire the HC. So.....who do you want as POFO? (He would not be GM, he would not be HC) Someone mentioned Belichick. Would he be ready to turn HC duties over to Josh McDaniels? (though if he does that then he would likely become the POFO of the Pats.....which I think he already is.) It would be nice to have a Ron Wolf or Bill Polian....but those guys I fear are too long in the tooth. Tom Dmitroff is GM of the Falcons. Would POFO be a "promotion" from GM. In the setup I am thinking of it would....as the GM would be the subordinate of the POFO. What about a Bill Parcells? Too old too? Someone mentioned Rick Spielman? I think he is POFO of the Vikes now. What about: Duke Tobin....director of scouting for the Bengals Mark Konscz...director of scouting for the Panthers Dan Morgan... same for the Seahawks What about "has been" HCs: Gruden, soon to be Jeff Fisher. Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverCleveland Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Best advice for the browns Organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I heard people talking about Rick Spielman. He sounds like he's qualified for the job. He's been either a scout or in player personnel or GM since 1990 He obviously must have a short list of coaches he would want to be HC, and he knows all the front office people in the league. He could probably get the GM he wants also. Plus he's in his early/mid 50's. Not an old guy like most of the guys you mentioned Gip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I heard people talking about Rick Spielman. He sounds like he's qualified for the job. He's been either a scout or in player personnel or GM since 1990 He obviously must have a short list of coaches he would want to be HC, and he knows all the front office people in the league. He could probably get the GM he wants also. Plus he's in his early/mid 50's. Not an old guy like most of the guys you mentioned Gip. Brother of Chris also.....from Massillon Oh. Browns going back to their roots? Paul Brown, born in Massillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Note on this: Go back to the 1980s Browns. We had: Ernie Accorsi: POFO GM: I believe we had Chip Falivene as GM (Director of Player Personell HC: Marty Schottenheimer QB: Bernie Kosar See there.....all we need are 4 people in this organization to get it straight again. It can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So the solution is another layer of management? Again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So the solution is another layer of management? Again? Yes, yes it may be......but like with everything else....it must be the right people in place. Needless to say, that is where the Browns have repeatedly faltered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 The 2 teams that seem to have the owner making a lot of the football decisions are Dallas and Washington. And they both have done nothing for many years. As soon as Dan Snyder took over, the skins have been bad, even when they had Joe Gibbs come back. And as soon as Jerry Jones couldn't stand Jimmy Johnson getting all the credit, the Cowboys have been bad. Even when Bill Parcells was there, the boys weren't very good. SO having a Superbowl winning, Hall of Fame coach doesn't work when you have a meddling owner. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 The 2 teams that seem to have the owner making a lot of the football decisions are Dallas and Washington. And they both have done nothing for many years. As soon as Dan Snyder took over, the skins have been bad, even when they had Joe Gibbs come back. And as soon as Jerry Jones couldn't stand Jimmy Johnson getting all the credit, the Cowboys have been bad. Even when Bill Parcells was there, the boys weren't very good. SO having a Superbowl winning, Hall of Fame coach doesn't work when you have a meddling owner. IMO Well, certainly a number of teams probably operate without a POFO.....the GM being considered to also be the POFO. See these structures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_staffs Sometimes the "President" is the business side guy......like Scheiner with the Browns. Sometime the owner is the President, and they have a VP of Business, and a VP of Football Operations. OK. Fine....if the Browns get a VPOFO....it doesn't matter what he is called. And check this out from Ernie Accorsi's wiki page: Consultant work[edit]On November 9, 2012, Accorsi was hired by the Carolina Panthers as a consultant after general manager Marty Hurney was fired.[11] On December 29, 2014, it was announced that Accorsi has been hired by the Chicago Bears as a consultant for their general manager search after Phil Emery was fired.[12] On November 25, 2015, Accorsi was named a consultant for the Detroit Lions's search for a new General Manager. When he is done with the Lions, the Browns should consider bringing him in here to consult. That is the least they should do. (note: Lions went on 3 game winning streak....broken only by the Motor City Miracle.....Rodgers to Rodgers 65 yd Hail Mary) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 The Browns need someone that the GM and coach report to, and it can't be Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 The Browns need someone that the GM and coach report to, and it can't be Jimmy Yes....the POFO. Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Everyone answers to the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Everyone answers to the owner. No shit Sherlock. You DO sound like a Trump supporter with that simplistic answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So as long as it's a somewhat insulated layer. And the only name that has real experience and wants to get back in the game... Mike Shanahan.... And I am not advocating that...just the only real experienced name I can think of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 So as long as it's a somewhat insulated layer. And the only name that has real experience and wants to get back in the game... Mike Shanahan.... And I am not advocating that...just the only real experienced name I can think of As long as he does not bring Kyle along again, Mike may not be that bad. Do you see what is happening to Matt Ryan with OC Kyle? He has turned into a complete mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Farmer traded up to get Gilbert Manziel and Terence West. Then last year he drafted Vincent Mayle. In the meantime West and Mayle are gone, Gilbert sucks because either he can't play or they don't want him to play cornerback. We have an issue with evaluating talent and drafting. Farmer just sucks. There are rookie running backs playing right now who are actually good! Example: Jeremy Langford, Karlos Williams, Javoris Allen and David Johnson. We got Duke Johnson. There are wide receivers playing from the 2014 and 15 drafts we could have had. Example: Jarvis Landry, Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, Evans, Beckham, and many many more. Farmer passed on a plethora of talent from Kahlil Mack to Derek Carr and everyone in between. But he's a genius for finding free agents and late round talent? The basics for a successful offense are QB, WR, RB, TE and Farmer can't seem to get that thru his head. He has no eye for talent when you consider what we have and what he passed on. PS Shaun Draugn another player they cut is helping all my fantasy teams go to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Bill Polian... might not take the POFO job, but might come in as a consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 As long as he does not bring Kyle along again, Mike may not be that bad. Do you see what is happening to Matt Ryan with OC Kyle? He has turned into a complete mess. I've seen about 30 examples of that. It doesn't look like wedding bells either. The old man does know the league pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I heard a radio sports talking head doing a comparison between the Browns and Bengals. I haven't done any fact checking, but the gist of the argument is the Bengals are better because they have continuity and fewer layers of management. They basically have Mike Brown who is l think owner and gm, and Marvin Lewis. Granted, Bengals fans have done their fair share of bitching about Mike Brown when things weren't going so well. But they're going well now, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The bungles don't have a GM in the traditional role Mike Brown is president Senior vice president of player personnel... Pete Brown vice president of player personnel... Paul Brown executive vice president...Katie Blackburn director of player personnel... Duke Tobin They have 5 people listed as front office. The Browns have 8 people listed as front office. And one of them is Jim Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 No shit Sherlock. You DO sound like a Trump supporter with that simplistic answer.Got to get along that's what we need to do ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Farmer traded up to get Gilbert Manziel and Terence West. Then last year he drafted Vincent Mayle. In the meantime West and Mayle are gone, Gilbert sucks because either he can't play or they don't want him to play cornerback. We have an issue with evaluating talent and drafting. Farmer just sucks. There are rookie running backs playing right now who are actually good! Example: Jeremy Langford, Karlos Williams, Javoris Allen and David Johnson. We got Duke Johnson. There are wide receivers playing from the 2014 and 15 drafts we could have had. Example: Jarvis Landry, Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, Evans, Beckham, and many many more. Farmer passed on a plethora of talent from Kahlil Mack to Derek Carr and everyone in between. But he's a genius for finding free agents and late round talent? The basics for a successful offense are QB, WR, RB, TE and Farmer can't seem to get that thru his head. He has no eye for talent when you consider what we have and what he passed on. PS Shaun Draugn another player they cut is helping all my fantasy teams go to the playoffs. Tony Grossi said it on the radio yesterday: this GM and this coach obsess about the #52 and #53 guys on the roster far more than they concern themselves with the Top Ten players on the roster. They made Don Jones active because they wanted to be sure that their special teams coverage teams were right......but had Dwayne Bowe and Terrelle Pryor inactive instead. A guy that might be the #11 man on the punt coverage team was more important to them than two WRs that MIGHT make some big plays. (sure....might.....because yes, its possible they could suck at what they do and not make the plays you want......but you will never find out about them having them sit on the bench.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Bill Polian... might not take the POFO job, but might come in as a consultant. Yes, that would be good. Let's go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The bungles don't have a GM in the traditional role Mike Brown is president Senior vice president of player personnel... Pete Brown vice president of player personnel... Paul Brown executive vice president...Katie Blackburn....she is a Brown family member. director of player personnel... Duke Tobin They have 5 people listed as front office. The Browns have 8 people listed as front office. And one of them is Jim Brown Duke Tobin is the key guy. He has secured good talent for that team......the others are basically just family hangers on. The Bengals are not the model of success....even though they are currently successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 This team needs somewhat of a management restructuring....but to do that would be pretty simple. You have the owner: Haslam You have a President of Business Operations: Scheiner. Fine, let them do what they do. That is not the problem. But the Browns have no one really in control of the Football side of things. There is none now in this organization. The last one we had was Mike Holmgren. Banner....who ran the money side of things tried to do both...but he was an absurd asshole for trying. No, We neee POFO. The Holmgren model could have been right....with a better person in the job. This POFO would be placed in charge by Haslam. (like Randy did with Holmgren). This POFO would hire (or retain) his own GM....and those two together would hire the HC. So.....who do you want as POFO? (He would not be GM, he would not be HC) Gipper, I agree with having a President of Football Operations. You are correct that the CONCEPT of Holmgren was good, but he turned out to be a DISASTROUS hire. Putting a knowledgeable, experienced, dedicated, FOOTBALL guy in that position would serve us well & we could start out the RIGHT way, by his hiring (or retaining) the GM first, then the same for the HC, then Coordinators, etc. & right down through players rather than hiring a HC, THEN the GM. I think your suggestion would ensure all are truly on the same page, working toward a common goal. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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