The Quran - how is it that the world has such mass violence based on it?

[gftChris]

I could imagine Cal going to church and hearing a sermon about how we need to be accepting and tolerant towards gays, muslims, etc. - then walking out the door and never returning because the church was filled with "liberal sumbeeches"

The pope's a socialist, don't you know.

[Westside Steve]

I could imagine Cal going to church and hearing a sermon about how we need to be accepting and tolerant towards gays, muslims, etc. - then walking out the door and never returning because the church was filled with "liberal sumbeeches"

I'm always astounded by the misinterpretation this post shows. To my recollection people who are sinners and did bad things we're supposed to stop doing them and repent. Do you suppose that Jesus would be tolerant and accepting of murders rapist drug pushers thieves adulterers or do you think he would love them and want them to change?

 

Example, if your sister was a hooker and a crackhead would you still love her? Would you really really want her to change your ways?

 

WSS

[bbedward]

I'm always astounded by the misinterpretation this post shows. To my recollection people who are sinners and did bad things we're supposed to stop doing them and repent. Do you suppose that Jesus would be tolerant and accepting of murders rapist drug pushers thieves adulterers or do you think he would love them and want them to change?

 

Example, if your sister was a hooker and a crackhead would you still love her? Would you really really want her to change your ways?

 

WSS

 

Being gay or muslim is not the same thing as being a murder, rapist, thief, adulterer, hooker, drug user, etc.

[StinkHole]

Hahahaha

 

Even when you explain why you don't like religion (right...) you blame liberals.

 

Stuart

 

 

 

Of course. Liberalism fucks up everything, even religion and churches.

 

You all of a sudden like this Pope right?

[calfoxwc]

They are controlling liberal sumbeeches. Me

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Sure, emotionally knee jerk again. The truth is, you retorting libs ommitted any reference

to "controlling".

 

Liberals are controllers. Climate control, gun control, electoral process control (no id needed, illegals to vote, sanctuary cities),

political board control (hating those whose opinons you don't like), money control (favoring higher taxes for more free stuff,

for more votes....redistribution of wealth globally), SUV control, cows farting control, thermostat control, type of energy

control, freedom to murder unborn children control, speech control (politically correct bs, 1st amendment only applies when

liberals WANT it to).... definition of real marriage control... application of CONSTITUTION control. (what libs don't like is

"UNConstitutional"......

 

So, it's CONTROLLING liberal sumbeeches. I said that, because our experience, and experience of several friends,

there always seems to be those in the church who keep asking more and more and more donated time and energy

in service to the church, more and more money donated, and more and more attendence.

 

They control. So, I made a joke about it. We have friends who also rarely go to church

because of just that - and my best friend and his Wife used to go every sunday for years and years.

 

No more.

 

Nothing to do with gays, Muslims.... nothin. But as usual, a lib on the board changes the subject,

so he can have a retort...assholish retort, but at least a retort, that's all that matters to libs.

[Westside Steve]

 

Being gay or muslim is not the same thing as being a murder, rapist, thief, adulterer, hooker, drug user, etc.

In your opinion I guess.

At least being a Muslim means you have not been born again and accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior and the Son of God. So there's that. But if Muslims wanted to change their ways I'm sure Jesus would accept them. That's the whole idea. Not that "well, I guess Muslims receive eternal life just like everybody else."

 

WSS

[StinkHole]

In your opinion I guess.

At least being a Muslim means you have not been born again and accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior and the Son of God. So there's that. But if Muslims wanted to change their ways I'm sure Jesus would accept them. That's the whole idea. Not that "well, I guess Muslims receive eternal life just like everybody else."

 

WSS

 

Stuart

 

 

Eh, even a converted musloid, like a supposedly domesticated wild animal, will be dangerous for the rest of his life and can never be fully trusted.

[tiamat63]

 

 

In your opinion I guess.

"

 

WSS

 

 

Errr.....what?

[Axe]

https://www.facebook.com/191900549668/videos/10152721801409669/?theater

[Westside Steve]

 

 

Errr.....what?

He said that among the things considered sins or you shouldn't do being gay or being Muslim was not included.

 

I'd say they probably are. If you are believing the doctrine in the first place.

 

Why would you ask?

 

WSS

[tiamat63]

He said that among the things considered sins or you shouldn't do being gay or being Muslim was not included.

 

I'd say they probably are. If you are believing the doctrine in the first place.

 

Why would you ask?

 

WSS

 

Unless I misread, I'm pretty sure it was the comparison of being gay and/or muslim not being anywhere in the same ballpark as the type of 'sin' that murder, thievery, adultery or rape is considered.

[Westside Steve]

 

Unless I misread, I'm pretty sure it was the comparison of being gay and/or muslim not being anywhere in the same ballpark as the type of 'sin' that murder, thievery, adultery or rape is considered.

Yeah? My understanding is sins are sins.

Fornication, adultery not respecting your father and mother etc having another God before Jehovah, killing... Yeah people like you and me like to think that one is better than the other. Like sure, I fucked around on my wife, but hey, its not like I killed somebody right?

 

But let's say you don't think being gay is a sin. You aren't a fundamentalist are you? I doubt it so who cares? But I would say that a Muslim who steadfastly denies nor the savior of mankind is something one would need to repent.

 

WSS

[Westside Steve]

And of course I'm arguing from an evangelistic Protestant point of view rather than a strict Roman Catholic Thomas Aquinas thing. Even still both would require salvation and repentance.

 

WSS

[tiamat63]

Yeah? My understanding is sins are sins.

Fornication, adultery not respecting your father and mother etc having another God before Jehovah, killing... Yeah people like you and me like to think that one is better than the other. Like sure, I fucked around on my wife, but hey, its not like I killed somebody right?

 

But let's say you don't think being gay is a sin. You aren't a fundamentalist are you? I doubt it so who cares? But I would say that a Muslim who steadfastly denies nor the savior of mankind is something one would need to repent.

 

WSS

 

My understanding of scripture is that there are distinguishable sins. Granted its been a while since I've read the word, I do realize all sins require the sinner to repent. I guess the intent of my post was really to gauge from a personal standpoint you believing that being gay or Muslim is as abhorrent as rape, murder, violence...etc etc. Obviously it matters little, I was just curious.

[Westside Steve]

Well I don't think apostasy or homosexuality are listed with the seven deadly sins but I do think the Catholics consider it.

 

At any rate no matter what the sin I doubt that Jesus approved or accepted any unless of course the center in question was humbly apologetic and willing to repent.

 

 

WSS

[jbluhm86]

Well, we are not religious at all. It's religion that is the problem,

not spirituality.

 

Big difference. I know God is there, and Jesus died for us.

 

And, from experience, I know that the biggest trouble with churches and

religion, ....is that there are a bunch of people there, and some of the people

are worse than just sinners. They are contolling liberal sumbeeches.

 

Therefore, I "turned the other cheek" into the door on my way out the last time I went.

I don't disagree with you that spirituality and religion are not commensurate with each other. I just go one step farther and say that one can achieve a high degree of spirituality without believing in a personal creator God or specific religion.

 

Cal, if you're interested, I recommend the book "Waking Up - A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion" by Sam Harris if you wish to persue this idea further. The first chapter is free in audiobook form on his website:

 

http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/chapter-one

[Axe]

 

And I'm a man that believes...

[calfoxwc]

well, there's murdering in the name of all sorts of stuff.

 

leather NBA jackets and tennis shoes, money, cars, wallets...etc...

 

and, no, Jblu, I wouldn't have time. We're really busy right now, and I have a library

of books to read, given and lent to me by several of our friends...and my own gardening and NRA magazines to read, when I have surgery on my knee in a few weeks.

 

But I do know that God is there, so the question is moot, to me. But religion seems to me - given

that salvation is a grace gift from God, via Jesus' dying on the cross... no works are required...

 

religion is a bunch of stuff - "church expectations and volunteer jobs" and others in the church who expect to

convince other people to do things to make THEM happy....

 

nah. But God -is- there.