BrownsfaninPa Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Being the Browns could still end up with the #1 spot in the 2016 draft, is it really that big of a deal if we don't get the 1st pick and still get 3 or 4th spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 if they keep the same people making the picks, then NO it makes no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 if they keep the same people making the picks, then NO it makes no difference Farmer ain't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Winning is fine by me I don't care. Any top 10 pick probably gives us about the same chance to land a great player - whether #1, #5, or #10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 If Farmer stays it won't matter who he picks in the 1st round, they will suck He's proven he can't make a decent 1st round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 It gives us more leverage in multiple trade downs to start at the very top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedinaDawg Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I think it definitely matters. Drafting the "best available" is, in my mind, a fantasy. You have to draft for needs and therefore, you first draft pick may not be the best available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 If Farmer stays it won't matter who he picks in the 1st round, they will suck He's proven he can't make a decent 1st round pick You said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I think it definitely matters. Drafting the "best available" is, in my mind, a fantasy. You have to draft for needs and therefore, you first draft pick may not be the best available.To a certain extent. I also think there are teams out there (the really good ones) that can draft BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Being the Browns could still end up with the #1 spot in the 2016 draft, is it really that big of a deal if we don't get the 1st pick and still get 3 or 4th spot? I see it as the elite eight picks. If you have one of those, you can have the best player at any of the main positions... OL DL LB CB S QB RB WR You could probably increase that by seven... Interior or outside lineman on both sides of the ball and inside and outside backer, and possibly TE. I would never consider a kicker or fullback in round one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 But is the Best Player at every position "elite"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 At 4 they would still get a impact player that is if farmer is fired if farmer is here he prob will trade the pick for bowes cousin or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't like drafting for need, QB aside. The whole thing is a crapshoot so if you're taking someone in a position of need and he sucks, the need doesn't go away. Then there's injuries etc in other positions you supposedly don't need, Take your top talent on the board every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Way too early for draft debates.... but.... "The list" is not a rigid, in-this-order thing. They're groups of objectively similarly talented prospects. It's OK to order a given group based upon need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I agree London which is why Cam was picked way too high last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 If you're drafting top 5, you have so many holes that you should just add good football players, so BPA. If you're already stacked like the bengals/panthers, you don't have needs, so you should just add good football players. If you believe you're one guy away, then maybe you can draft for need. But there aren't too many teams in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 But is the Best Player at every position "elite"? Who knows? Generally in any given year, you only have a few elite players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Jaylon Smith, OLB. I hate draft talk, but we need a LB who can make a difference. Get this guy. No O- linemen until round 4 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 we have to start looking at drafting BPA's and signing FA's for need. It just so happens that this year a lot of the BPA's are defensive players which is also our most pressing need. I don't know anymore who we go with since Bosa has kind of made it clear he thinks Cleveland is a shithole. I don't want a player on the team that thinks Cleveland is Shiite. He's gonna be just another dick collecting a check from jimmy. On the other hand, lets be honest...probably all of them to some extent feel that way about Cleveland. Sucks cause I do like the city. But young cunts want that south beach atmosphere to play in. So there's an argument to just take Bosa, let him play up for his 2nd contract and if he's really that miserable ship him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's a good question, and the short answer is "no", I don't think it matters. In fact, I could argue that NOT having the #1 pick is actually somewhat better in some cases. Not as much pressure, and no need to jam a square peg in a round hole. Of course, it always depends on WHO is available in the draft, and if someone like Winston is available, then you take a guy like that instantly. This draft, however, has NOTHING like that. There is no Clowney, no Winston, or no Luck. Bosa fits a pretty big need, but I'm not so sure he's the best all around fit for us. Doesn't he prefer to play with a hand in the dirt? Isn't he more of a 4-3 DE? I'm sure he could LEARN to be an OLB, but the last thing we need is some kind of project. If we can't trade down a bit, I say we take Laquon Treadwill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Treadwell is a reach and a half at #1, and drafting for need. Unfortunately, there's nobody at the top that fills a position of need for us. Bosa is close, as is ramsay and maybe hargreaves, but are they worthy of a #1 pick (in our system)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's a good question, and the short answer is "no", I don't think it matters. In fact, I could argue that NOT having the #1 pick is actually somewhat better in some cases. Not as much pressure, and no need to jam a square peg in a round hole. Of course, it always depends on WHO is available in the draft, and if someone like Winston is available, then you take a guy like that instantly. This draft, however, has NOTHING like that. There is no Clowney, no Winston, or no Luck. Bosa fits a pretty big need, but I'm not so sure he's the best all around fit for us. Doesn't he prefer to play with a hand in the dirt? Isn't he more of a 4-3 DE? I'm sure he could LEARN to be an OLB, but the last thing we need is some kind of project. If we can't trade down a bit, I say we take Laquon Treadwill. I'd love to get Treadwell in a trade down. I'd also like to get Elliot or Henry in a similar fashion. But then how do we fill our defensive needs? So many holes so few high draft choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I agree that we can probably do as well(this year) with the #3 as we would with the #1....cause there is no monster talent just sitting there as the obvious guy..... Though....in a trade down situation.....#1 will get you more...... Personally.....Id like to trade down from #1 to bout #4-5....and still get another pick...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Trouble is, who's going to trade up? Who has the 'ammunition' to trade up to #1? From #6, say, it'll cost probably another first rounder, and which team will give that up for Laremy Tunsil? From #3 to #6, we can probably get a high second rounder this year, which is basically another first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Trouble is, who's going to trade up? Who has the 'ammunition' to trade up to #1? From #6, say, it'll cost probably another first rounder, and which team will give that up for Laremy Tunsil? From #3 to #6, we can probably get a high second rounder this year, which is basically another first round pick. Yeah....I dont know.... But, Im guessing the media will build up a few guys to "god status" by draft time and someone will want one of em.....maybe Bosa? or whatever QB becomes all the rage?.. Then we gotta just hope that some GM is dumb enough to mortgage it all.....they do it all the time.....names like RGIII, Watkins, Richardson and Williams have all drawn some pretty ridiculous prices from desperate teams.... So.....fingers crossed that Farmer(or whomever) can make lemonade in a questionable draft year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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