The Gipper Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Interior O linemen are grunts. Watt has a much greater skill set than JT. But if you want to crown a grunt as the "greatest athlete" to ever come out of a certain state then you have to go with the man many consider the best center to ever play the game...Wisconsin native and former Pittsburgh Steelers center Mike Webster. But you're right about Watt being young, hence it seems we are only projecting that Watt COULD BE the greatest ever to come out Wisconsin, but as a 9 time pro bowler, 4 time SB winner that paved the way for Franco Harris, I would have to go with Mike Webster as the greatest athlete to come out of Wisconsin...ahead of Watt or JT. By light years. Hardly by light years. As noted, Webster went to 9 PBs....JT already has 8 (don't know if he will make it this year)....and he is just now in the prime of his career. And Watt has a long way to go too. If you are arguing skill set...then you have to say that if Watt has a greater skill set than JT, then he certainly has a greater skill set over Webster. OTs are generally considered more "skilled" than OCs (How many OTs were picked in the Top 5 drafts the last few years vs. the number of OCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Just FYI, since 2000: 16 OTs have been taken with the first 5 picks of the first round. No centers have been chosen that high. And here is the funny thing: Only 8 players listed as centers have been selected in the first round since 2000 and three of them are: Jeff Faine Alex Mack Cameron Erving all taken by the Browns. the others were: Chris Spencer, Seattle. Nick Mangold Jets, Eric Wood Bills, Maurkice Pouncey Steelers and Travis Frederick, Cowboys And Pouncey was the highest pick at #18....but Erving was next at #19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Hardly by light years. As noted, Webster went to 9 PBs....JT already has 8 (don't know if he will make it this year)....and he is just now in the prime of his career. And Watt has a long way to go too. If you are arguing skill set...then you have to say that if Watt has a greater skill set than JT, then he certainly has a greater skill set over Webster. OTs are generally considered more "skilled" than OCs (How many OTs were picked in the Top 5 drafts the last few years vs. the number of OCs. True, not light years. Miles lol. Agree Watt does have a broader skill set than Webster. But the reason you have to put Mike Webster there instead of either Watt or JT is because Webster is regarded by most as the best center to have ever played the game. That says more than Watt's skill set or JT's Pro Bowls. Neither JT or Watt would be in a conversation discussing the "best ever" at their respective positions. Not YET anyway. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1090410-the-10-best-centers-in-nfl-history/page/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 So if a 6ft 5 guy can throw a baseball 99mph...he's not an athlete?..smh If I can throw a dart at a dartboard at 99mph, am I an athlete? ...and what does being 6ft 5 have to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 True, not light years. Miles lol. Agree Watt does have a broader skill set than Webster. But the reason you have to put Mike Webster there instead of either Watt or JT is because Webster is regarded by most as the best center to have ever played the game. That says more than Watt's skill set or JT's Pro Bowls. Neither JT or Watt would be in a conversation discussing the "best ever" at their respective positions. Not YET anyway. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1090410-the-10-best-centers-in-nfl-history/page/11 I guess someone had to rank them....but really, I don't see a lot of difference between Webster and the likes of Jim Otto, Jim Ringo, Dermonti Dawson, Jim Langer, Dwight Stephenson, Mick Tinglehoff, Frank Gatski. Probably the nature of the position. But, yet, yes.....before they are done both JT and Watt could be considered amongst the best at their position. Watt is being compared to Reggie White. As for OTs, those considered the best ever are the likes of Anthony Munoz, Jonathan Ogden, Art Shell. Joe's problem, unlike these other, is that he has not played on a team that has won a lot....and that can hurt a guy, even if the losing has nothing to do with him. (and hell....Jim Otto is from Wisconsin...so Webster may not even arguably be the best OC from there.) But, I would still go with Eric Heiden as best athlete.....though the best "Sportsman" from Wisc. is probably Curly Lambeau...for his contributions as both a player and coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Stinkhole. Mike Webster the guy in the movie Concussion gluing his teeth back in verse a guy that has never missed a snap in JT. Go wave your yellow hanky in the stinkhole we call Shitsburg.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Minnesota = Dave Winfield Alabama = Bo Jackson I agree with Gip- Jackson's career was too short to get the nod. & PS Gip- had to look it up, Michael Jordan was born in New York- moved to NC. We can debate who's better, him or Kareem, but I'll give the nod to Jordan. Kareem's status is mostly due to longevity. That got me to thinking, and looking it up again- for Louisiana I just might take Bill Russell (moved to California @ 8) over Peyton Manning. And If you want to say Bill is primarily California, I take him over Joe D easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 California = Jeremy McGrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Here. Educate yourself. She was great at basketball, baseball, softball, pocket billiards, javelin, high jump, hurdles, diving, roller skating and bowling. She just made her living in golf because back then it was the only one that paid worth a damn for a woman. She was a phenomenal athlete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Didrikson_Zaharias I just fucking realized you weren't directing your comment about mine being Nicklaus, which is whom I was referring to about Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I agree with Gip- Jackson's career was too short to get the nod. & PS Gip- had to look it up, Michael Jordan was born in New York- moved to NC. We can debate who's better, him or Kareem, but I'll give the nod to Jordan. Kareem's status is mostly due to longevity. That got me to thinking, and looking it up again- for Louisiana I just might take Bill Russell (moved to California @ 8) over Peyton Manning. And If you want to say Bill is primarily California, I take him over Joe D easy. Well, I guess the question of "Where is someone from" can be debated. The state they were born in....even if they moved away as a baern....or the state they grew up in. I say it is where they spent most of their developmental years. So Jordan would be from North Carolina, Steve Young from Connecticut. etc. And I think Russell would be California......and as between him and Joe D.??? You could throw in Tom Brady for Calif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 The truth is, an athlete is a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise. Based on this, a golfer cannot be on this list, golf is not a sport but rather a game as it does not require rigorous physical activity, and can be played professionally by people who are overweight, injured, and especially non-athletic. We got into a long argument about this a ways back, and it's not worth beating it to death again. There's those that claim golf is a sport- and I'd just let it be. A sport by definition requires athletic talent. Anyone consider John Daley an athlete? If it's the mental aspect, then I suppose chess is a "sport". Don't call it a "game" it's a skill- (like bowling) that will pay you a lot of money if you're good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 A sport is ... a human activity involving physical skill and exertion. governed by a set of rules or customs. undertaken competitively and capable of achieving a result. What makes the list and what does not There are many activities that are commonly debated whether they are sports, such as fishing, dancing, cheerleading, golf, equestrian, motorsports, plus many more. Based on the above criteria, are these sports? The examples of golf and cheerleading easily fit the definition of sports when in the competitive form. Fishing and dancing for most people is a pastime and not a sport, but there are structured competitions with these activities which make it a sport in that form. In the case of equestrian and motorsports, there is physical exertion by the riders, but the horse and car are primarily doing the work. On the other hand, there is plenty of skill involved and it ticks all the other boxes. There will always be activities that are borderline and debateable whether they are sports or not. In that case, maybe the final defining point should be as per the definition by the ASC—it is a sport if it is ... "generally accepted as being a sport". Per Topend Sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 A sport is ... a human activity involving physical skill and exertion. governed by a set of rules or customs. undertaken competitively and capable of achieving a result. What makes the list and what does not There are many activities that are commonly debated whether they are sports, such as fishing, dancing, cheerleading, golf, equestrian, motorsports, plus many more. Based on the above criteria, are these sports? The examples of golf and cheerleading easily fit the definition of sports when in the competitive form. Fishing and dancing for most people is a pastime and not a sport, but there are structured competitions with these activities which make it a sport in that form. In the case of equestrian and motorsports, there is physical exertion by the riders, but the horse and car are primarily doing the work. On the other hand, there is plenty of skill involved and it ticks all the other boxes. There will always be activities that are borderline and debatable whether they are sports or not. In that case, maybe the final defining point should be as per the definition by the ASC—it is a sport if it is ... "generally accepted as being a sport". Per Topend Sports. Well said Gip, and we'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Golf most definitely a sport but being the best at that sport doesn't make you the best athlete. Dustin Johnson great athlete, John Daly not a great athlete Mike Trout great athlete, Bartolo Colon not a great athlete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Stinkhole. Mike Webster the guy in the movie Concussion gluing his teeth back in verse a guy that has never missed a snap in JT. Go wave your yellow hanky in the stinkhole we call Shitsburg.. Lol. You really get irrational when you're upset. Aside from JT having to play roughly 3 more seasons to catch up to Websters 177 consecutive games played, your criteria/criticism was pretty stupid. And Shitsburgh? You may as well call it Brownstown. Grow up child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 A sport is ... a human activity involving physical skill and exertion. governed by a set of rules or customs. undertaken competitively and capable of achieving a result. What makes the list and what does not There are many activities that are commonly debated whether they are sports, such as fishing, dancing, cheerleading, golf, equestrian, motorsports, plus many more. Based on the above criteria, are these sports? The examples of golf and cheerleading easily fit the definition of sports when in the competitive form. Fishing and dancing for most people is a pastime and not a sport, but there are structured competitions with these activities which make it a sport in that form. In the case of equestrian and motorsports, there is physical exertion by the riders, but the horse and car are primarily doing the work. On the other hand, there is plenty of skill involved and it ticks all the other boxes. There will always be activities that are borderline and debateable whether they are sports or not. In that case, maybe the final defining point should be as per the definition by the ASC—it is a sport if it is ... "generally accepted as being a sport". Per Topend Sports. Golf is definitely a sport. There have also been debates on who is considered an athlete and who is not. I've heard racing fans and talking heads refer to race car drivers as "athletes". Thats bullshit. Ive come up with an unusual criteria for what determines an athlete...it's called sweat. To be considered an athlete, the sport in which you partake must require enough exertion to cause you to perspire. Sitting in a hot race car, or an outfielder standing in the hot sun waiting for a ball to be hit to him doesn't count. Athletes...football players, basketball players, soccer players, hockey players, tennis players, boxers/martial arts, rugby, lacrosse, track runners... Non-athletes...golfers, bowlers, baseball players, jockeys, harness racing jockeys, race car drivers, motocross riders, skeet shooters/marksmanship.... Wait... do ping pong players perspire? Shit, if they do that throws my theory out the window. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Golf is definitely a sport. There have also been debates on who is considered an athlete and who is not. I've heard racing fans and talking heads refer to race car drivers as "athletes". Thats bullshit. Ive come up with an unusual criteria for what determines an athlete...it's called sweat. To be considered an athlete, the sport in which you partake must require enough exertion to cause you to perspire. Sitting in a hot race car, or an outfielder standing in the hot sun waiting for a ball to be hit to him doesn't count. Athletes...football players, basketball players, soccer players, hockey players, tennis players, boxers/martial arts, rugby, lacrosse, track runners... Non-athletes...golfers, bowlers, baseball players, jockeys, harness racing jockeys, race car drivers, motocross riders, skeet shooters/marksmanship.... Wait... do ping pong players perspire? Shit, if they do that throws my theory out the window. lol Regarding ping-pong- if you've ever seen Olympic level ping-pong, those guys definitely sweat. FWIW, I'd consider race car drivers more athletic than golfers.They only sweat if it's 90 degrees out. Driving 3X faster than freeway speeds with another car couple feet away from you, hair trigger reactions. One Indy car driver said his favorite activity (to build up his neck muscles) is watching TV. Try laying on a couch on your side, without a pillow- and see how long you can keep your head off the couch- if you can do it for an hour- you measure up to this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Lol. You really get irrational when you're upset. *** (No. Just Steeler FanBoy Hillbillies that come here)*** Aside from JT having to play roughly 3 more seasons to catch up to Websters 177 consecutive games played, your criteria/criticism was pretty stupid. *** (so your fanboy fandom is counting down your boy losing to JT. many have said LT is the toughest position in the NFL)*** And Shitsburgh? You may as well call it Brownstown. *** (on this board, all Squeellers get the same)*** Grow up child. *** (at 52 I qualify & watched Webster at C not LT)**** move on loser & Pouncey is no Webster either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yeah....Ping Pong is basically tennis with tiny little paddles and teeny weeny balls....correct? Definitely a sport, if tennis is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 ahem... Its proper name is Table Tennis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 ahem... Its proper name is Table Tennis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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