Clinton says Isis uses Trump in recruiting videos, but Isis actually uses Bill Clinton and Obama

[MLD Woody]

Conservative is a term which only really applies to fiscal terms. Opposing gay marriage isn't conserving anything.

It is conserving the way things are now (ignoring that how they are now is the "liberal" from decades earlier).

 

Look how many "battles" take place between conservatives and liberals now on social issues. It definitely applies.

[The Cysko Kid]

Not to be condescending but you're what? 23 or 24? I expect a lot of your views will...temper...if not outright change over the next ten or so years. Will you oppose the things you stand for now? Maybe some of them but probably not most. Though I doubt you'll feel as strongly about some of them.

[The Cysko Kid]

Social issues are a whole other matter and I wish that they were not legislated by politicians at all. I'd rather see a society where you can do whatever you want socially and it can be opposed by the other side but not politically.

[The Cysko Kid]

Case in point you should not be able to not issue marriage certificates to gay couples but you should also not be able to sue if a baker won't make you a cake.

[Westside Steve]

Of course looking back maybe we jumped the gun a little bit giving certain groups the right to vote... Just saying.

 

WSS

[MLD Woody]

Not to be condescending but you're what? 23 or 24? I expect a lot of your views will...temper...if not outright change over the next ten or so years. Will you oppose the things you stand for now? Maybe some of them but probably not most. Though I doubt you'll feel as strongly about some of them.

What views that I have now, that you consider liberal, do you think I'll change?

 

Again, in all of my responses I've been talking about social issues. People don't change to conservative view here, but what they believe starts to be looked at differently.

 

I don't expect to get older and all of a sudden be against gay marriage, or against legal weed. Just like the generation above me didn't reverse civil rights.

 

I've already said that non social views are a different matter.

[The Cysko Kid]

You're not trying to listen to what I'm saying but that's ok. No one could tell me shit either. You'll find out.

[MLD Woody]

You're not trying to listen to what I'm saying but that's ok. No one could tell me shit either. You'll find out.

 

 

What are you talking about? I'm responding directly to you.

 

If you disagree with what I'm saying, tell me why. Don't go with the lazy "you're just young, you'll find out some day" response. That's a pathetic, lazy response.

[The Cysko Kid]

Read back whiz kid. I don't think you'll change all of your social views. But I'll bet the house you'll change SOME

[gftChris]

Read back whiz kid. I don't think you'll change all of your social views. But I'll bet the house you'll change SOME

Examples?

[The Cysko Kid]

Views on social welfare and aid, perhaps.

[The Cysko Kid]

I wouldn't expect things like views on gay marriage to change. I'd hope that over time you guys will come to see the evil and cruelty that is abortion as elective birth control but I won't hold my breath on that one.

[bbedward]

Views on social welfare and aid, perhaps.

Yea I guess when you get older and make more money you think "screw the poor people, I'm not poor anymore"

 

Like Paul Ryan and Ben Carson, the biggest hypocrites of all time. Cut welfare, cut federal education grants, forget paid leave. Even though the government assistance helped them get to where they are today.

[The Cysko Kid]

Or maybe you get to know that most of the poor people aren't trying very hard.

[calfoxwc]

Where DO you get all this nonsense of yours about politics, edw?

 

a Cat Stevens album???

 

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=moon+shadow&fr=ush-mailn_02&fr2=p%3Aml%2Cm%3Asb&hspart=att&hsimp=yhs-att_001&type=sbc_dsl

[The Cysko Kid]

You show me a guy who's legitimately busting his ass and can't make ends meet and I'll show you a guy worth giving a helping hand. However what I mostly see is lazy sacks of meat crying about how they need help because they've got anxiety and therefore can't put forth any effort.

[gftChris]

You show me a guy who's legitimately busting his ass and can't make ends meet and I'll show you a guy worth giving a helping hand. However what I mostly see is lazy sacks of meat crying about how they need help because they've got anxiety and therefore can't put forth any effort.

It's not a vote winner, but getting people to do some form of community service for 8 hours a week in order to receive benefits would sort out those just looking for an easy life pretty quickly. Not backbreaking labour, but helping charities or something.

 

Some people do legitimately need to go on life's PUP list, but not all of those who do are incapable of helping society in some way.

[bbedward]

You show me a guy who's legitimately busting his ass and can't make ends meet and I'll show you a guy worth giving a helping hand. However what I mostly see is lazy sacks of meat crying about how they need help because they've got anxiety and therefore can't put forth any effort.

I know a lot of people...

 

I'm open to constructive reform to these programs, but many people want to blindly cut Medicare, raise the social security age to 75, blindly cut welfare, blindly cut pell grants.

 

That's just not a solution as the middle class continues to become poor and shrink.

 

I know people who abuse it too and it pisses me off, but there's more good apples than bad apples.

 

I wouldn't have been able to make it through college without the pell grant.

[calfoxwc]

liberal gradeschools don't teach this story anymore.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Red_Hen

 

Plot summary[edit]

In the tale, the little red hen finds a grain of wheat and asks for help from the other farmyard animals (most adaptations feature a pig, a cat, and a frog) to plant it, but none of them volunteer.

At each later stage (harvest, threshing, milling the wheat into flour, and baking the flour into bread), the hen again asks for help from the other animals, but again she gets no assistance.

Finally, the hen has completed her task and asks who will help her eat the bread. This time, all the previous non-participants eagerly volunteer. She declines their help stating that no one aided her in the preparation work. Thus, the hen eats it with her chicks leaving none for anyone else.

The moral of this story is that those who say no to contribution to a product do not deserve to enjoy the product: "if any would not work, neither should he eat."^[1]

[gftChris]

I wouldn't have been able to make it through college without the pell grant.

That's a separate story though. Higher education fees are getting ridiculous over here, and only just starting to catch up with some over there.

 

That being said, pointless courses such as "golf course management" need to go.

[The Cysko Kid]

The problem with the poor is that they think they deserve to be rich. They deserve to have the nice things in life but they won't put forth any effort to obtain them. Poor is a mentality. They don't understand that if you're working you don't just go spend up your whole paycheck on lottery tickets and cigarettes the moment you get it. You also have to budget and live within your means. I have four dependents and one paycheck and yet I am able to make things work without taking out payday loans and still have nice stuff. The power of math!

[LogicIsForSquares]

It's not a vote winner, but getting people to do some form of community service for 8 hours a week in order to receive benefits would sort out those just looking for an easy life pretty quickly. Not backbreaking labour, but helping charities or something.

 

Some people do legitimately need to go on life's PUP list, but not all of those who do are incapable of helping society in some way.

The have started implementing a program in WV that requires those receiving SNAP (food stamps) to do at least 20 hours a week of community service or gainful employment or else they get their SNAP revoked. The cases of "social anxiety" claims by those on assistance sky rocketed. As soon as the doc gave them the go ahead, they avoided having to do any of that stuff. I have friends high up in the state DHHR and they loath how easy it is for people here to avoid work. Nearly 50% of the state is on Medicaid by choice.

[The Cysko Kid]

I know a lot of people...

 

I'm open to constructive reform to these programs, but many people want to blindly cut Medicare, raise the social security age to 75, blindly cut welfare, blindly cut pell grants.

 

That's just not a solution as the middle class continues to become poor and shrink.

 

I know people who abuse it too and it pisses me off, but there's more good apples than bad apples.

 

I wouldn't have been able to make it through college without the pell grant.

College is elective. You could have apprenticed in a trade and ended up making as good a living without occurring the debt.

[LogicIsForSquares]

The problem with the poor is that they think they deserve to be rich. They deserve to have the nice things in life but they won't put forth any effort to obtain them. Poor us a mentality. They don't understand that if you're working you don't just go spend up your whole paycheck on lottery tickets and cigarettes the moment you get it. You also have to budget and love within your means. I have four dependents and one paycheck and yet I am able to make things work without taking out payday loans and still have nice stuff. The power of math!

I grew up extremely poor but not on assistance. My dad worked construction and didn't move up and start making decent money until I was in high school. At one point we had a house fire and had to live in a homeless shelter for a bit. Not the best moment but it taught all of us kids to bust our asses. It seems people either get a psychotic level of work ethic from growing up poor or feel entitled to everything because aid was just handed to them with no stipulations.

[LogicIsForSquares]

College is elective. You could have apprenticed in a trade and ended up making as good a living without occurring the debt.

After sinking deep into debt finishing up school, I talked my brother into going into the trades. He is debt free and making good money. I think people forget that you will always need tradesmen.

[bbedward]

I don't have a problem with coming up with reforms to certain things. Health care should just go public.

 

The cost of state-university tuition across the US has gone up so much and continues to go up - yet wages stay the same and federal aid goes down.

 

A friend's grandpa has bladder cancer and needs to get assisted living - which they're trying to figure out without costing him everything he's worked for his entire life.

 

My mom's bipolar and can't work full time without them taking away disability - she does work part time but barely makes enough to get by. If she opted for a full time job with more money, she could lose it at any time if she went into a manic episode (seems to happen at least every 5 years)

 

My one grandpa is 75 and has a nice living and some nice land on the east side that he's got through working for his entire life, but he's still working and hasn't retired yet.

 

Another one with alzheimer's similar situation...

 

People who aren't pell grant eligible because they have too high of an EFC (expected family contribution), yet the parents refuse to contribute anything and the student gets boned.

 

You can't blindly just cut every assistance program and tell people to work harder. The wealth is concentrated to a select few in this country (what is it, the top 20 people in the country own 20% of the entire country's wealth or something?). The middle class is shrinking (the poor class is growing).

 

Yea you see some jackass taking his tuition grant and buying blunt wraps, weed, and a case of natty light. Or some guy going in on the 1st of the month and buying lotto tickets, cigarettes, and beer.

 

But the answer isn't just "get rid of it, tell everyone to work harder. No free shit." You see a lot of successful people who depended on such facilities to become successful.

 

College is elective. You could have apprenticed in a trade and ended up making as good a living without occurring the debt.

 

And I love vocational/trade school. I think every high school should offer 2-years of vocational training - I have a friend who got training at polaris during high school and now he's a welder doing pretty well for himself.

 

But I disagree with that logic. I've been doing software stuff since I was 12 years old probably and got my first big white brick computer. I contributed code to the linux kernel at like age 15, have a high reputation on stackoverflow, have been big into gentoo community, and now big into XDA community and recognized developer and such.

 

I'm not a total nerd - I also worked as a mechanic for a bit during college and do all my own work to my cars, and played high school football and such.

 

But regardless, a software engineering career is what I've always wanted to do. To get a good software job usually you have to go to college. Especially when it comes to progressing upwards into a management type role or a big name company. But most (bigger, reputable) companies don't even want the application without the degree.

 

By this logic though, I should have just been an electrician because I couldn't afford college.

[The Cysko Kid]

I don't have a problem with coming up with reforms to certain things. Health care should just go public.

 

The cost of state-university tuition across the US has gone up so much and continues to go up - yet wages stay the same and federal aid goes down.

 

A friend's grandpa has bladder cancer and needs to get assisted living - which they're trying to figure out without costing him everything he's worked for his entire life.

 

My mom's bipolar and can't work full time without them taking away disability - she does work part time but barely makes enough to get by. If she opted for a full time job with more money, she could lose it at any time if she went into a manic episode (seems to happen at least every 5 years)

 

My one grandpa is 75 and has a nice living and some nice land on the east side that he's got through working for his entire life, but he's still working and hasn't retired yet.

 

Another one with alzheimer's similar situation...

 

People who aren't pell grant eligible because they have too high of an EFC (expected family contribution), yet the parents refuse to contribute anything and the student gets boned.

 

You can't blindly just cut every assistance program and tell people to work harder. The wealth is concentrated to a select few in this country (what is it, the top 20 people in the country own 20% of the entire country's wealth or something?). The middle class is shrinking (the poor class is growing).

 

Yea you see some jackass taking his tuition grant and buying blunt wraps, weed, and a case of natty light. Or some guy going in on the 1st of the month and buying lotto tickets, cigarettes, and beer.

 

But the answer isn't just "get rid of it, tell everyone to work harder. No free shit." You see a lot of successful people who depended on such facilities to become successful.

 

 

And I love vocational/trade school. I think every high school should offer 2-years of vocational training - I have a friend who got training at polaris during high school and now he's a welder doing pretty well for himself.

 

But I disagree with that logic. I've been doing software stuff since I was 12 years old probably and got my first big white brick computer. I contributed code to the linux kernel at like age 15, have a high reputation on stackoverflow, have been big into gentoo community, and now big into XDA community and recognized developer and such.

 

I'm not a total nerd - I also worked as a mechanic for a bit during college and do all my own work to my cars, and played high school football and such.

 

But regardless, a software engineering career is what I've always wanted to do. To get a good software job usually you have to go to college. Especially when it comes to progressing upwards into a management type role or a big name company. But most (bigger, reputable) companies don't even want the application without the degree.

 

By this logic though, I should have just been an electrician because I couldn't afford college.

None of the tech giants received degrees. I'll bet you could have gotten a job on aptitude if you'd shown enough of it. It's good to meet a fellow linux nerd though. It's hard to find them (but getting easier) my first programming was on the ti-82 calculator when I made a magic the gathering program that was sophisticated enough that a science teacher I had in high school took notice of it after he confiscated the calculator from me for dicking around with it all period long.

 

Yeah ok your degree got your foot in the door on that but I still think you could have gotten a job if you went in and showed the proper aptitude.

 

College is now to the point where experience and aptitude is more important again.

[The Cysko Kid]

And, eds, electricians make good livings. Real good livings, usually.

[Legacy Fan]

Get Loans. Join the military.

[The Cysko Kid]

That's the route I ended up going. And guess what? The Air Force, as it turns out, is a great place for tech nerds.