browns52 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Right....cant really call Gabe a steal, considering his performance this season..... Id agree that KWaun was a great find and, maybe, we can add Crowell to that.....as he also was a UDFA.... So, for 2014....now that some time has passed....we only have Crow & Kwaun(ok udfa's)...and picks Bito & Kirksey...(also ok so far) Gotta call Manziel, Gilbert and West complete busts(at least thats my view).....and Desir is just kind of doing so so..... So....that draft = 6 guys = 3 complete busts = 2 ok players(with Bito having some positive upside) and a project This year(2015)....no udfa's or late round picks contributing, that I can think of.....maybe I. Campbell, who looked pretty good in a very limited role.....but thats it.... Every other player tapped later than Rnd 3 is gone, injured or on the bench.....and, out of the 12 players picked, only 3 contributed anything significant or showed what Id consider to be real promise.....Orchard, Duke and Shelton....(plus Campbell)... The rest?.....injured, gone or just... "meh".... My final tally for 2 years = 18 draft picks.... 5 average starter quality players (Bito, Shelton, Kirksey, Orchard & Duke) 3 back up or developmental quality players (Campbell, Eving, Cooper) 2 injured unknowns (Telfer, Ekpre) 3 Lower level role players (Desir, Gaines, M. Johnson) 5 Complete busts (Manziel, Gilbert, Mayle, West, Pullard) Percentage wise....Id say Farmer did ok and about the same as most GM's do...BUT, the fact that he missed so many high picks and didnt score even one above instantly average player....I say blah.... eh eh, when you pick a qb, the most important player on the team, and he turns out a bust, there is a multiplier effect on that...the gm sucked. one of the worst ever and he deserved what he got even though our owner should be the first to go....SELL THE TEAM HASLEM, YOU ARE A LOSER... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Damn good work Mud. Add in textgate, Bowe, The guys he never re-signed, for comp. picks. & never traded to upgrade the high end of the lineup, maybe analytics could be a good thing if we just could find that new HC with a scoutmaster up his sleeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 ... comp. picks. Not much of a legacy, but might get turned into something through the power of analytics*... ... and Farmer was one-for-one in player trades. __________________________________________________________________ *need to imagine an echo effect for the italicized bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Ok Ray Ray I am sorry. I would like to thank you for a punter in Andy "Boom" Lee. Yes a punter & yes with Ray's comp. picks & this so called lytics may we score TD's & not FG's. ( T made me do this though, Ray) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx214 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would not call Pullard a bust, but I would call it a mistake to place him on the PS where he was lifted and now starting on another team. I think this one might hurt in the future. He looked tough in the limited time we saw him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 ( T made me do this though, Ray) lol... Now... send Tour money... ... worth a shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Not really. Darius Jennings came on a little later in the season, but he probably won't make the roster next year. We did get Ikre-ekeke-olomu alu or whatever his name is in the 7th round last year. I'll be curious to see what he contributes. He's the guy who had a shredded up knee and fell from a top projected CB to the 7th round. Hopefully he has recovered well. But our main 2014 guys were K'waun Williams and Taylor Gabriel. K'waun is setup to be a good slot corner - but has had injury problems, multiple concussion problems. So that's not looking too good. Gabriel was pretty down this year - he's just a rotational guy #4/#5 at best maybe. So really I don't think we have any UDFA steals. K'waun may turn into one, but that's yet to be seen. K'Waun is very good for where we got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 K'Waun is very good for where we got him. Extremely, but that's the only real UDFA find Farmer had. The concussions are no joke though, he may not be in the league too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I hope analytics brings a concussion screening tool with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I follow Banner on Twitter, and that asshole still defends the Mingo pick. I think Mingo could do better if Mingo were used better. Whether he would live up to his #1 overall status, I don't know. But he can do better. Let him rush the goddamn passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Right....cant really call Gabe a steal, considering his performance this season..... Id agree that KWaun was a great find and, maybe, we can add Crowell to that.....as he also was a UDFA.... So, for 2014....now that some time has passed....we only have Crow & Kwaun(ok udfa's)...and picks Bito & Kirksey...(also ok so far) Gotta call Manziel, Gilbert and West complete busts(at least thats my view).....and Desir is just kind of doing so so..... So....that draft = 6 guys = 3 complete busts = 2 ok players(with Bito having some positive upside) and a project This year(2015)....no udfa's or late round picks contributing, that I can think of.....maybe I. Campbell, who looked pretty good in a very limited role.....but thats it.... Every other player tapped later than Rnd 3 is gone, injured or on the bench.....and, out of the 12 players picked, only 3 contributed anything significant or showed what Id consider to be real promise.....Orchard, Duke and Shelton....(plus Campbell)... The rest?.....injured, gone or just... "meh".... My final tally for 2 years = 18 draft picks.... 5 average starter quality players (Bito, Shelton, Kirksey, Orchard & Duke) 3 back up or developmental quality players (Campbell, Eving, Cooper) 2 injured unknowns (Telfer, Ekpre) 3 Lower level role players (Desir, Gaines, M. Johnson) 5 Complete busts (Manziel, Gilbert, Mayle, West, Pullard) Percentage wise....Id say Farmer did ok and about the same as most GM's do...BUT, the fact that he missed so many high picks and didnt score even one above instantly average player....I say blah.... You can't say Pullard is a complete bust. Perhaps quite the opposite. Another team thought well enough of him to snatch him off our roster. And the little he played here, he produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Im not saying "he" is a bust......but the "pick" is.....cause he aint here.... Spin it however you want....that pick hasnt ever benefitted the Browns....so, TO ME, it's a wasted pick which = bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Im not saying "he" is a bust......but the "pick" is.....cause he aint here.... Spin it however you want....that pick hasnt ever benefitted the Browns....so, TO ME, it's a wasted pick which = bust OK.....just to me another Browns personnel fuckup. Farmer kept dicking and dicking and dicking around with the end of the roster......bringing in and cutting guys like Jayson Dimanche 2 or 3 times.....and not using what a lot think was a quality player sitting on his roster. I mean....he drafted him....why not show some confidence in him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Maybe Farmer did have confidence in him, Gip... No telling how the loss of Pullard soured their relationship, but Pet could not keep every player Farmer provided on the 53... and some, like Bowe, were not PS eligible. So Farmer took a shot with Pullard and he did not make it. I doubt it made Farmer happy, but clearly it was a preferable choice to him than releasing Bowe. And Mingo was being utilized. He's just not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 AS long as we are gathering ex-Browns' Execs thought... Phil Savage just ripped DePo's hire big time. If you saw the movie, he could have been reading the A's Head Scout's lines in his confrontation with Beane in the hallway... If you haven't seen the movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 AS long as we are gathering ex-Browns' Execs thought... Phil Savage just ripped DePo's hire big time. If you saw the movie, he could have been reading the A's Head Scout's lines in his confrontation with Beane in the hallway... If you haven't seen the movie... Yea, there is your real authority: Phil Savage. Because he did so well here as GM of the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 AS long as we are gathering ex-Browns' Execs thought... Phil Savage just ripped DePo's hire big time. If you saw the movie, he could have been reading the A's Head Scout's lines in his confrontation with Beane in the hallway... If you haven't seen the movie... I feel better about the hire now than I did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 If Phil Savage is against it then it's 100% confirmed - awesome hire by the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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